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I think many United fans are generally too critical of the level we're playing at. There may not be many big teams in League One this season, but the general level of football is probably the best ever in my opinion. Even teams like Coventry, with one win in ten, short of confidence and struggling in general, can field a well balanced, well prepared team that are set up to make it hard for us and cause us problems.

When teams come to the Lane we shouldn't expect them to look fabulously entertaining. Playing away, especially against the better sides is a lot about defending, stopping us, upsetting our rhythm.

Coventry did that well at the start of the game. Playing a fairly narrow 4-4-2 and pressing us high up the pitch, they made it hard for us to get our passing moves going. To avoid losing the ball in dangerous areas we resorted to chipping the ball up field, but our wingers had their full backs breathing down their necks, while Baxter and Done couldn't get hold of the ball. We were basically outnumbered and outmuscled in their half.


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Coventry's central midfielders, Fleck and Barton, are very comfortable on the ball and with Doyle and Coutts sitting deeper in our 4-4-1-1 starting formation, we didn't have any ball winners to challenge them. As mentioned they had a fairly narrow formation with solid, hard working wide men in O'Brien and Williams, who both have experience playing centrally. Their two forwards also got behind the ball and closed us down in midfield.

To change the early pattern of the game, Clough tried to invert our midfield triangle, meaning Baxter went deeper while Coutts and Doyle pushed higher to get more aggression higher up and hopefully stop their central midfielders dominating unchallenged.

I felt that we were actually coming into the game more before Baxter's sending off. While the above Coventry plan may seem perfect, it is very hard to keep it up for the full game. Without the sending off I think we gradually would have taken over more control of the game and eventually our quality would have given us more chances.

Then Coventry scored and we had to try carving them open with ten men. Coventry dropped deeper after they took the lead and for the last hour we dominated possession. With just one central striker this isn't easy though. Their second was also a blow which would have made a lot of teams lose faith. We sacrificed JCR at half time, and then Coutts, and the main difference was that we got more running and energy going forward through Basham and Freeman.

I think we kept going and did well in difficult circumstances and in the end were rewarded. I'd add at least a point to most players' ratings from Balham and Deadbat's reports.


When I saw the line up I thought that it was probably Clough's current favourite line up, with the probable exception of a fit Flynn. Although we went into the game high on confidence, belief and form, the early stages showed that it won't be easy to win most of our remaining games. Teams will have a plan of how to stop us and how to punish any mistake we make.

We will have to be at our best, but I'm personally relieved that the performance vs Coventry was better than I feared and I think it would have been another win if we'd kept 11 men on the pitch.

 



As ever BB, your analysis is much appreciated. BUT...Coventry were 'up for it' from the first whistle. Nothing to do with them being 'entertaining', just better prepared and motivated. We'll never know how the game would have panned out, but we were on the back foot before the sending off. We can analyse team selections, tactics etc. for ever but what I'd really like to see is United charging down that tunnel and 'starbursting' all over the pitch. It's a statement of intent. Instead, we start games far too cautiously and let the opposition settle into their rhythm. The same happened at the start of the second half. Obviously 'Plan B' was required and for just a few seconds we appeared to be intent on (finally) taking the game to Coventry. Not that it lasted - we very quickly reverted to sideways/backwards passing and played it back to the GK.

Make no mistake, Saturday's loss of two points was a grievous blow to our hopes of autos. Whether we were ten-nil down with five minutes left and eventually drew, there are few positives to draw from Saturday. Such is the gap we need to make up, failure to 'cash in' when the top two falter is another golden opprtunity wasted.

There won't be many more.
 
Coventry could never have kept up that pace and application for 90 minutes. Baxter was already frustrated as Bergen says and his tackle was out of character and nobody will regret it more than the lad. The team and the fans need to be patient when a poor side is winding us up and bullying us. The last thing we should do against such sides is give them a goal and on this occasion one extra man.

Play sensible football, let them run out of steam and take over second half. What? The home crowd won't tolerate that:rolleyes:
 
Pretty much nailed it there Bergen ,I didn't understand the moving of Baxter but then Doyle and Coutts both got into good positions in the Coventry box ,Doyle should have scored really. Of course the whole thing blows up in our face when Baxter gets sent off and we have to change things again. I also we would have gone on and won well as we had the players to change things during the game. People are forgetting we played 70 minutes with 10 men against a desperate battling side and came back from 2 goals down to finish the stronger team. Many Utd teams in the past would have capitulated and gone down with a whimper ,credit where its due.
 
As ever BB, your analysis is much appreciated. BUT...Coventry were 'up for it' from the first whistle. Nothing to do with them being 'entertaining', just better prepared and motivated. We'll never know how the game would have panned out, but we were on the back foot before the sending off. We can analyse team selections, tactics etc. for ever but what I'd really like to see is United charging down that tunnel and 'starbursting' all over the pitch. It's a statement of intent. Instead, we start games far too cautiously and let the opposition settle into their rhythm. The same happened at the start of the second half. Obviously 'Plan B' was required and for just a few seconds we appeared to be intent on (finally) taking the game to Coventry. Not that it lasted - we very quickly reverted to sideways/backwards passing and played it back to the GK.

Make no mistake, Saturday's loss of two points was a grievous blow to our hopes of autos. Whether we were ten-nil down with five minutes left and eventually drew, there are few positives to draw from Saturday. Such is the gap we need to make up, failure to 'cash in' when the top two falter is another golden opprtunity wasted.

There won't be many more.

Like us fans , was it a case that the players became , a little complacent . If any read the forum , they would have thought we would have won the game 6-0 , without having to try or turn up. We have become a little over the top with second guessing , who we will win. Every team will be up for it against the blades , and try to show us , we are not as big or good , (after a couple of good results ,) as we think we are,

One game at a time for fans and club , as fate as a great way of knocking your legs from behind you.

UTB
 
Like us fans , was it a case that the players became , a little complacent . If any read the forum , they would have thought we would have won the game 6-0 , without having to try or turn up. We have become a little over the top with second guessing , who we will win. Every team will be up for it against the blades , and try to show us , we are not as big or good , (after a couple of good results ,) as we think we are,

One game at a time for fans and club , as fate as a great way of knocking your legs from behind you.

UTB

Maybe the fans were complacent. Maybe the team underestimated the opposition. Surely it's the job of NC and his team to make sure this doesn't happen?
 
Maybe the fans were complacent. Maybe the team underestimated the opposition. Surely it's the job of NC and his team to make sure this doesn't happen?

grafikhaus , totally agree , but it does show one overall failing , we have not yet overcome - killer instinct.

UTB
 
Yes Baxter took up a deeper position,and we had started to get more of a grip of things with Doyle and Coutts...the sending off cost us all 3 points,but we did well to fight back with 10 men...Freeman did well coming on down the right by the way..worth a mention.No easy games now is there..Dale will be another difficult game.
 
I see in today's Yorkshire Post Clough said Baxter was only playing because Jason Holt was injured.

One of Baxter's problems is he is too slow to get close enough to jockey or even get a tackle in which is why he ends up lunging for the ball. Holt would have been a better option for Saturday even if he is less creative. Baxter isn't creative enough often enough unfortunately.
 
Yes Baxter took up a deeper position,and we had started to get more of a grip of things with Doyle and Coutts...the sending off cost us all 3 points,but we did well to fight back with 10 men...Freeman did well coming on down the right by the way..worth a mention.No easy games now is there..Dale will be another difficult game.

There is and never has been this season ,no easy games . Everyone can beat each other . It is going to take great determination , concentration and grit , to keep in the play offs . We are going to come up ,against cliches , on the way , but it is our own fault we have left no room for manoeuvre .

Baxter may have cost us 3 points on Saturday , but how many games this season , have we been on the back foot , by our own making.

Saying all that , we will get promotion.

UTB.
 
As ever BB, your analysis is much appreciated. BUT...Coventry were 'up for it' from the first whistle. Nothing to do with them being 'entertaining', just better prepared and motivated. We'll never know how the game would have panned out, but we were on the back foot before the sending off. We can analyse team selections, tactics etc. for ever but what I'd really like to see is United charging down that tunnel and 'starbursting' all over the pitch. It's a statement of intent. Instead, we start games far too cautiously and let the opposition settle into their rhythm. The same happened at the start of the second half. Obviously 'Plan B' was required and for just a few seconds we appeared to be intent on (finally) taking the game to Coventry. Not that it lasted - we very quickly reverted to sideways/backwards passing and played it back to the GK.

Make no mistake, Saturday's loss of two points was a grievous blow to our hopes of autos. Whether we were ten-nil down with five minutes left and eventually drew, there are few positives to draw from Saturday. Such is the gap we need to make up, failure to 'cash in' when the top two falter is another golden opprtunity wasted.

There won't be many more.

I agree that we've been too sloppy and lethargic at the start of many games this season.

Vs Coventry I think Clough's plan was to take the game to them (I think he was quoted on that somewhere?), but we're not always great at that. Looking at our line up we played two out and out wingers, a striker that like to play on the last man, and Baxter just behind. These four have very good attacking attributes when allowed to use them, an exciting mix of pace, dribbling and creativity.

But when it comes to "earning the right to play" they aren't ideal, in contrast to Coventry's selection which was all about that. High line, good aggression, competitive players across midfield and even hard working forwards.

In the early stages of games it may look like motivation, but we should also consider the effect of the nature of the players selected. If we'd picked Freeman (rather than JCR) on the right and Basham (for Baxter) in midfield we may have looked more up for it early doors, but would we have been ideally equipped to carve open their deep defence after the frantic opening?
 
There is and never has been this season ,no easy games . Everyone can beat each other . It is going to take great determination , concentration and grit , to keep in the play offs . We are going to come up ,against cliches , on the way , but it is our own fault we have left no room for manoeuvre .

Baxter may have cost us 3 points on Saturday , but how many games this season , have we been on the back foot , by our own making.

Saying all that , we will get promotion.

UTB.


What with the farce in central defence at the start of the season ( not sorted until Basham dropped back in November?), the failure to sign an effective striker until January ( nothing wrong with loan signings to plug gaps while waiting for permanent recruits to materialise), the failure to sign game changers, the general negative start to games particularly at home, we have given ourselves a mountain to climb.

Much euphoria about the January signings but we are way lower than we should be.
 
Like us fans , was it a case that the players became , a little complacent . If any read the forum , they would have thought we would have won the game 6-0 , without having to try or turn up. We have become a little over the top with second guessing , who we will win. Every team will be up for it against the blades , and try to show us , we are not as big or good , (after a couple of good results ,) as we think we are,

One game at a time for fans and club , as fate as a great way of knocking your legs from behind you.

UTB

I was optimistic of a good result against Coventry on Saturday, a few goals, as I have seen Cov play a couple of times this season and they were appalling. Granted, that was at the Ricoh, where even some moaning fans would be a welcome respite from the acres of empty seats. But it didn't work out that way, as described so well by BB. And that's the thing about football, and following The Blades, sometimes the matches turn out as expected and sometimes they don't. I remember the rush for tickets after the first leg of the semi-final at Spurs, sometimes it's good and sometimes it's not. But I didn't moan while sat in the Kop on Saturday, I tried to work out what was different to what I expected. Forever an optimist, often a realist.
 
I think many United fans are generally too critical of the level we're playing at. There may not be many big teams in League One this season, but the general level of football is probably the best ever in my opinion. Even teams like Coventry, with one win in ten, short of confidence and struggling in general, can field a well balanced, well prepared team that are set up to make it hard for us and cause us problems.

When teams come to the Lane we shouldn't expect them to look fabulously entertaining. Playing away, especially against the better sides is a lot about defending, stopping us, upsetting our rhythm.

Coventry did that well at the start of the game. Playing a fairly narrow 4-4-2 and pressing us high up the pitch, they made it hard for us to get our passing moves going. To avoid losing the ball in dangerous areas we resorted to chipping the ball up field, but our wingers had their full backs breathing down their necks, while Baxter and Done couldn't get hold of the ball. We were basically outnumbered and outmuscled in their half.


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Coventry's central midfielders, Fleck and Barton, are very comfortable on the ball and with Doyle and Coutts sitting deeper in our 4-4-1-1 starting formation, we didn't have any ball winners to challenge them. As mentioned they had a fairly narrow formation with solid, hard working wide men in O'Brien and Williams, who both have experience playing centrally. Their two forwards also got behind the ball and closed us down in midfield.

To change the early pattern of the game, Clough tried to invert our midfield triangle, meaning Baxter went deeper while Coutts and Doyle pushed higher to get more aggression higher up and hopefully stop their central midfielders dominating unchallenged.

I felt that we were actually coming into the game more before Baxter's sending off. While the above Coventry plan may seem perfect, it is very hard to keep it up for the full game. Without the sending off I think we gradually would have taken over more control of the game and eventually our quality would have given us more chances.

Then Coventry scored and we had to try carving them open with ten men. Coventry dropped deeper after they took the lead and for the last hour we dominated possession. With just one central striker this isn't easy though. Their second was also a blow which would have made a lot of teams lose faith. We sacrificed JCR at half time, and then Coutts, and the main difference was that we got more running and energy going forward through Basham and Freeman.

I think we kept going and did well in difficult circumstances and in the end were rewarded. I'd add at least a point to most players' ratings from Balham and Deadbat's reports.


When I saw the line up I thought that it was probably Clough's current favourite line up, with the probable exception of a fit Flynn. Although we went into the game high on confidence, belief and form, the early stages showed that it won't be easy to win most of our remaining games. Teams will have a plan of how to stop us and how to punish any mistake we make.

We will have to be at our best, but I'm personally relieved that the performance vs Coventry was better than I feared and I think it would have been another win if we'd kept 11 men on the pitch.


spot on bergen your assesment of tactics is superb do you have coaching badgers? .Your breakdown of matches strikes me you are someone with experience.With all the foreign players who now ply there trade in the top divisions there is a knock on effect which means players who would have played in championship and above are playing in division 1 meaning
it improves the lower leagues and all this talk of this being a shit division is wrong.It improves year on year now and it is getting harder to get out at the right end ,the problem is attendances which are very poor and most teams deserve better as the level of fitness and professionalism is superb.I like every blade are desperate to get out but i dont belittle these small clubs as they are run on a shoestring and full credit should go to the directors and coaching staff (rochdale are a classic example) i do feel cloughy feels this way too as he spent a lot of years at burton.
 



For me the game is a total right off. One we need to forget and move on from.

All the hard work and planning that had been put in was swiftly taken away in the 19th minute.

The red card changed the game totally. Yes we were slow to get going but we also finished strongly and far stronger than they did. Imagine how strong we would've been with 11 men.
 
For me the game is a total right off. One we need to forget and move on from.

All the hard work and planning that had been put in was swiftly taken away in the 19th minute.

The red card changed the game totally. Yes we were slow to get going but we also finished strongly and far stronger than they did. Imagine how strong we would've been with 11 men.

Without the stupid Baxter incident it would have been a home banker.

I was distraught at the tackle: we have now seen, Higdon at Chezzer dive in and sent off, Basham at PV dive in and get sent off and now Baxter v Cov.
We have got 1 point from those 3 games.
At chezzer if the nobhead referee/linesman had sent off Magarietsen when he should have then it would have been 3 points.
At PV although a goal down, we were very comfortable, deserved our equalizer and with 11 would have won.
Same with Cov - we would have won easily.

The players do not seem to understand this business of staying on your feet in these situations - just look at what those 8 points would have done for us.

UTB
 
Without the stupid Baxter incident it would have been a home banker.

I was distraught at the tackle: we have now seen, Higdon at Chezzer dive in and sent off, Basham at PV dive in and get sent off and now Baxter v Cov.
We have got 1 point from those 3 games.
At chezzer if the nobhead referee/linesman had sent off Magarietsen when he should have then it would have been 3 points.
At PV although a goal down, we were very comfortable, deserved our equalizer and with 11 would have won.
Same with Cov - we would have won easily.

The players do not seem to understand this business of staying on your feet in these situations - just look at what those 8 points would have done for us.

UTB

Accept what you say . The standard of refereeing also leaves a lot to be desired , with total inept and inconsistency . If it is like this in the premiership , no wonder the level in league 1 is poor . In saying that , it is the same for all teams , and bad decisions do usually level themselves out , over a season .

All 3 players you mention , deserved to get sent off imo . Its strange though , because Mr Clough does instil a high level of discipline , but even the management / coaching staff , seem to lose it in a number of games , on the touchline .

All down to pressure and red mist , and hope we can cope with it , in the run in.

UTB
 
It's not the only reason, but I wonder whether one of the reasons we don't tend to start well is that we never have a settled side. Look at Saturday - won 3 in a row, and yet there are 3 more changes.

Obviously some changes are enforced, but it can take time to get used to different players alongside you. There's not been enough continuity for me this season.
 
It's not the only reason, but I wonder whether one of the reasons we don't tend to start well is that we never have a settled side. Look at Saturday - won 3 in a row, and yet there are 3 more changes.

Obviously some changes are enforced, but it can take time to get used to different players alongside you. There's not been enough continuity for me this season.

The 'tackle' on Saturday aside, I think one of Clough's problems is Baxter. He seems to try and find a way of shoe-horning him into the team, but when he plays in the middle, we tend to miss out on certain midfield skills he's lacking or certain striking skills he's lacking if he plays up front. We've debated to death his pros and cons and he can undoubtedly do things other players in the squad cannot but it'll be interesting to see how we do in the next 3 games when NC doesn't have the 'problem' of fitting him in.
 
I thought Coventry looked a poor side and always thought we could win the game, even when Baxter was sent off. I was a little less hopeful when they scored their second so early in the second half, but always thought, if we score one we can go on and win this.
 
spot on bergen your assesment of tactics is superb do you have coaching badgers? .Your breakdown of matches strikes me you are someone with experience.With all the foreign players who now ply there trade in the top divisions there is a knock on effect which means players who would have played in championship and above are playing in division 1 meaning
it improves the lower leagues and all this talk of this being a shit division is wrong.It improves year on year now and it is getting harder to get out at the right end ,the problem is attendances which are very poor and most teams deserve better as the level of fitness and professionalism is superb.I like every blade are desperate to get out but i dont belittle these small clubs as they are run on a shoestring and full credit should go to the directors and coaching staff (rochdale are a classic example) i do feel cloughy feels this way too as he spent a lot of years at burton.

This is, of course, in line with the tactical ingenuity of the little known sicilian coach, Marco de Fatego. A firm believer in the role of badgers who could instruct and improve the workmanlike talents of pedestrian players and bring out their inner badger, that overlooked component within every player that can add a further 20 percent to their game.

I'm bemused by the lack of imagination that exists within the British game, the idea of tactically aware badgers, scoffed at by the very same luddites who now exert influence over our national team, has shamed our game due to it's insular perceptions and self-serving attitudes . The classic badger tactical ethos of cambio passo and calcio totale were ignored in favour of de hoofa, that most banal and predictable of british traits.

SUFC has had it's very own Badger, but failed to exploit this opportunity, much to the chagrin of Unitedites for decades to come.

I'm with finlay, coaching badgers are the future, you've been warned Clough!
 
Without the stupid Baxter incident it would have been a home banker.

I was distraught at the tackle: we have now seen, Higdon at Chezzer dive in and sent off, Basham at PV dive in and get sent off and now Baxter v Cov.
We have got 1 point from those 3 games.
At chezzer if the nobhead referee/linesman had sent off Magarietsen when he should have then it would have been 3 points.
At PV although a goal down, we were very comfortable, deserved our equalizer and with 11 would have won.
Same with Cov - we would have won easily.

The players do not seem to understand this business of staying on your feet in these situations - just look at what those 8 points would have done for us.

UTB

Sure we had someone sent off at Donny but went on to win with the Murphy screamer
 
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We have to realise how other clubs think , after 40 years unbroken at the top table and winning the FA cup Coventry see themselves as even bigger than us , debateable , but it was the straw that broke his back blowing a 2 goal lead to 10 men
 
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We have to realise how other clubs think , after 40 years unbroken at the top table and winning the FA cup Coventry see themselves as even bigger than us , debateable , but it was the straw that broke his back blowing a 2 goal lead to 10 men

Fickle game . Whatever we think about Pressley , the press and football world were singing his praises after the league points reduction and having to play in Northampton. This fella would suit Barnsley or will it be Ferguson.:eek:

The reign of the Bristol and Swindon managers are only short term imo , and the day of reckoning will come.

May not always realise it , but i think we are lucky to have the set up ,at the lane , that we have got . We don't need Bill Big Bollocks. Been there , done it , got the tee shirt.

UTB
 



Fickle game . Whatever we think about Pressley , the press and football world were singing his praises after the league points reduction and having to play in Northampton. This fella would suit Barnsley or will it be Ferguson.:eek:

The reign of the Bristol and Swindon managers are only short term imo , and the day of reckoning will come.

May not always realise it , but i think we are lucky to have the set up ,at the lane , that we have got . We don't need Bill Big Bollocks. Been there , done it , got the tee shirt.

UTB
found this on fans site from a swindon fan , so its not just us thats negative at times
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