Corners

[Need4speed]

I think we only scored from one corner last season. On Saturday we had 14 corners but failed to score from any of them. I think we need a few changes and work on them. Firstly I don't think Hamer should take them. He isn't so good at them that we are scoring from them. However he is probably out best striker of the ball from outside the box. So I would have Peck take them and have Hamer outside the 18 yard box. No point having Peck there he has never scored for us. I am also not a fan of Burrows taking them from the right hand side. It pushes him way out of position and makes us vulnerable to a quick break.

 

[TopBoy]

No point whatsoever in taking a traditional ball-into-the-box corner with our current set of players. Only Bindon is likely to win a header. Got to be short corners until we add some height.

 

[Bladesman]

Our corners at least looked dangerous on Saturday, rather than just being punted beyond the box.

We do need some new players to get on the end of those.

 

[tincan]

I think we only scored from one corner last season. On Saturday we had 14 corners but failed to score from any of them. I think we need a few changes and work on them. Firstly I don't think Hamer should take them. He isn't so good at them that we are scoring from them. However he is probably out best striker of the ball from outside the box. So I would have Peck take them and have Hamer outside the 18 yard box. No point having Peck there he has never scored for us. I am also not a fan of Burrows taking them from the right hand side. It pushes him way out of position and makes us vulnerable to a quick break.

More to the point, our attacks often result in corners and then we toss it into the box where 9/10 times we lose it and become victims of the counter- usually the core strategy of the opposition at BDTBL.
This is an old site that characterises the issues involved: https://spielverlagerung.com/2019/12/06/tactical-theory-set-pieces/. Given our stats at corners are so low, we need a set piece coach who can focus entirely on such plays to improve it, as clearly whatever we're doing so far its not working.

 

[espoo blade]

Opta did some good analysis on corners in the Championship in November last season.

Championship Corners: Who Are the Most Dangerous Sides in 2024-25? | Opta Analyst

We look at the stats around which Championship clubs have had the most joy from corners this season, and which of those have struggled.

theanalyst.com

I particularly like the quote from Mourinho: “how many countries can you think of where a corner kick is treated with the same applause as a goal? One. It only happens in England. This is the only place where a corner kick is as good as a goal for the fans.”

Although I agree we've been fairly ineffective at corners for quite some time, it's not like other teams are banging them in for fun every week. Corners are simply not that dangerous when the opposition defends solidly, unless you've got consistent, world-class deliveries and players who are absolute units and good in the air. Think Arsenal last season.

I notice we did try to mix it up a bit on Saturday with short corners, especially from the right, which was inevitably met with the usual groans

 

[espoo blade]

More to the point, our attacks often result in corners and then we toss it into the box where 9/10 times we lose it and become victims of the counter- usually the core strategy of the opposition at BDTBL.
This is an old site that characterises the issues involved: https://spielverlagerung.com/2019/12/06/tactical-theory-set-pieces/. Given our stats at corners are so low, we need a set piece coach who can focus entirely on such plays to improve it, as clearly whatever we're doing so far its not working.

Some great short corner routines in there! At least the ones that actually come off.

 

[Sharrow Snuff Mill]

We need a few inventive corner routines. One which we never see now from most teams is the near post flick on, which makes it easier for attackers to lose their markers, or make space for another player to come in from outside the box to attack the ball.
I also like to see a routine where space is made from a short or shortish corner, so that the ball in is from near the goal line and the defenders are wrong footed having tried to come out a bit to catch attackers offside. Can work well if done quickly, and with the attackers coming from deeper starting positions. Obviously the two or three involved in the short corner need to practice their timimg and accuracy to avoid offside.

 

[luffenhamblade]

I mentioned in the BC match chat that we didn't seem to be getting anywhere with corners. As has been mentioned, no point in landing it on a head as we don't have any far enough up in the air! Short corners didn't seem to be well thought out but probably our only chance at the moment so we need some good ideas and routines developed If we get as many corners as Saturday we need to be able to take advantage

 

[Need4speed]

Opta did some good analysis on corners in the Championship in November last season.

Championship Corners: Who Are the Most Dangerous Sides in 2024-25? | Opta Analyst

We look at the stats around which Championship clubs have had the most joy from corners this season, and which of those have struggled.

theanalyst.com

I particularly like the quote from Mourinho: “how many countries can you think of where a corner kick is treated with the same applause as a goal? One. It only happens in England. This is the only place where a corner kick is as good as a goal for the fans.”

Although I agree we've been fairly ineffective at corners for quite some time, it's not like other teams are banging them in for fun every week. Corners are simply not that dangerous when the opposition defends solidly, unless you've got consistent, world-class deliveries and players who are absolute units and good in the air. Think Arsenal last season.

I notice we did try to mix it up a bit on Saturday with short corners, especially from the right, which was inevitably met with the usual groans

Arsenal are

 

[Varkanoid]

"oooo its a ........"

 

[Flatcap]

So I would have Peck take them and have Hamer outside the 18 yard box. No point having Peck there he has never scored for us. I am also not a fan of Burrows taking them from the right hand side. It pushes him way out of position and makes us vulnerable to a quick break.

I remember a home game in the latter stages of last season where Peck was taking corners and must have taken 4 in a row that were woefully bad. I agree a change may be needed but not the swap I'd be making, personally.

 

[LBA_Blade]

"Back in the day" you would do standard Sunday league tactics of whipping it in with a right footer or left footer and having a front man, middle man and back post man running in. Times have changed and set pieces need to be thought out per team, in the sense of no point doing that if you are playing up against a back line of 6ft '9 giants. It all depends on how coy we are, set piece wise used to be one of our strengths under our "grit and hardworking model" but we now don't have those type of players. You could play it out to the D and have a power shot with a bit of hope and see, you have the similar option of powering low shot to penalty shot with a deflection it could go anywhere. According to the web, there have been 1,932 corners taken in the Championship last season, with only 326 (16.9%) seeing the first involvement following the corner being a shot at goal and overall last season, 712 of the total corners (36.8%) in the Championship have seen a shot attempted within the first passage of play following a corner (not required to be directly assisted by the corner), with 56 of those producing a goal (2.9% of corners) which is the lowest in the last 10 seasons. The above is from the below "stats", there probably is someone at the club with enough on their plate trying to work through data but for what it's worth corners don't seem to have the same advantage as they once did across the board.

https://theanalyst.com/articles/championship-corners-2024-25-goals-stats-opta

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Sky had a mad stat come up on Saturday

In the championship ALL last season there was 6 goals from corners.

We scored 3 in the play off semis.

 

[BladeByChoice]

"Back in the day" you would do standard Sunday league tactics of whipping it in with a right footer or left footer and having a front man, middle man and back post man running in. Times have changed and set pieces need to be thought out per team, in the sense of no point doing that if you are playing up against a back line of 6ft '9 giants. It all depends on how coy we are, set piece wise used to be one of our strengths under our "grit and hardworking model" but we now don't have those type of players. You could play it out to the D and have a power shot with a bit of hope and see, you have the similar option of powering low shot to penalty shot with a deflection it could go anywhere. According to the web, there have been 1,932 corners taken in the Championship last season, with only 326 (16.9%) seeing the first involvement following the corner being a shot at goal and overall last season, 712 of the total corners (36.8%) in the Championship have seen a shot attempted within the first passage of play following a corner (not required to be directly assisted by the corner), with 56 of those producing a goal (2.9% of corners) which is the lowest in the last 10 seasons. The above is from the below "stats", there probably is someone at the club with enough on their plate trying to work through data but for what it's worth corners don't seem to have the same advantage as they once did across the board.

https://theanalyst.com/articles/championship-corners-2024-25-goals-stats-opta

Done my fair share of delivering Sunday league corners in the early 80’s, back then the training was to float the ball in the general direction of the tallest man in the box, high and slow to give the hungover twat time to see it, while the rest of your forwards held down the keepers arms and dished out kidney punches to defenders.

Maybe we should go back to that approach.

 

[LBA_Blade]

Done my fair share of delivering Sunday league corners in the early 80’s, back then the training was to float the ball in the general direction of the tallest man in the box, high and slow to give the hungover twat time to see it, while the rest of your forwards held down the keepers arms and dished out kidney punches to defenders.

Maybe we should go back to that approach.

It used to be the go too with Morgan and others in there. "Glancing" headers weren't a thing, you needed a neck like a powerlifter

 

[Jon Bon II]

Our corners at least looked dangerous on Saturday, rather than just being punted beyond the box.

We do need some new players to get on the end of those.

If only we had a £10m striker.

 

[Kona]

I wonder what Roger Nilsen is up to these days…

Seriously though, all bar a few inventive corners when Wilder first arrived, haven’t we always been shit at corners?

 

[CoatesyBlade]

Corners statistically don’t produce many goals.

 

[Brynner]

Obviously the young 'uns won't remember Woody. Inswinging corners from the left or driven corners with the outside of his foot from the right. He scored a few direct himself and helped the likes of Mick Jones, Gill Reece, Eddie Colquhoun and John Tudor amongst others, to power home headers. Oh for the likes of him to return.

 

[Bladesince59]

Harry Maguire ?

 

[LBA_Blade]

I wonder what Roger Nilsen is up to these days…

Seriously though, all bar a few inventive corners when Wilder first arrived, haven’t we always been shit at corners?

I am sure we used to score more under the Warnock and Bassett era although that could be that goals were more memorable as usually it was a snatch and grab from a corner. There aren’t too many goals that I remember without thinking too hard. Although some do stand out. In general we have usually been “shithouses” so people had the perception we were good at lump ball and corners came with that