Chris Basham, center mid,?

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Fjortoft's Aeroplane said:
Also Basham in a midfield with a proper defence behind him might be an improvement on what we saw last year.
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Agree with this! It says a lot about the character of the bloke to play as well as he did (and put the amount of effort in he did) last season when playing along side that load of tripe. I think he will only improve with better players around him and I hope he proves the doubters wrong.
 



larkymasher said:
If fit.................. a big fucking if i grant you. He is as good as anything else we have.

Only my opinion
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I don't agree, i think he's better than anything we have when actually on the pitch. The problem is getting him on the fucker, do that consistently and we'll go up, that i have no doubt. What i do doubt is his fitness which needs proving big time, if he can do this then we have one of the best midfielders in League one.

Good luck to James as i think he's going to need it.
 
Basham is fine as defensive midfielder imo. The issue last year was Hammond being immobile and crap at passing, Woolford being unable to add anything going forward. As well as absolutely nothing from the fullbacks helping going forward. Meaning we just looked weak going forward and were suspect at the back

We have hopefully addressed that in sigining :

hussy who can cross, and god forbid pass forward and having brayford fully fit for a season.
Duffy, who will create more than coutts, baxter and Woolford managed.
Fleck who we know can pass and hopefully drive us forward even if he doesn't get 10 goals.

I think the likes of basham, fleck, whiteman, scougil, reed and hopefully Wallace give us some good options.
 
wizadry said:
I don't agree, i think he's better than anything we have when actually on the pitch. The problem is getting him on the fucker, do that consistently and we'll go up, that i have no doubt. What i do doubt is his fitness which needs proving big time, if he can do this then we have one of the best midfielders in League one.

Good luck to James as i think he's going to need it.
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Agree, if you told me Wallace would play 35-40 games I'd stick a decent wedge on us getting promoted.

He's got that authority and control that none of the others have. We've always looked a different team when he has been on the pitch.

If we could get Wallace and Fleck together in midfield we'd be a real force.
 
Fulwood Blade said:
I have always stood up for Basham - even from game 1 in the Clough era - very honest, box to box footballer.

Don't think he will get a kick next season.

Wallace and Fleck, Centre mid as first choice - just hope Wallace can stay fit. Good initial signs apparently from the Steels game.

UTB
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Very much doubt Wallace is ever going to be reliably fit.
 
wizadry said:
Good luck to James as i think he's going to need it.
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Have we still got him then? I thought his contract expired this summer?

I cannot believe we would persevere with him. He's a crock and we should get shut. I don't care how good he may be technically, we never get to see it and you can't build a team around someone who is going to give you 15 games a season.
 
wizadry said:
Lets see what CW does first but i agree Basham isn't good enough, although we could see a different player under CW with Basham playing around more energetic and ultimately better players.
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Pretty much my feelings too Wiz. If we are serious about promotion you have to think we need more than Bash has previously offered. However as you say Wilder knows what he wants and it wouldn't be the first time players have had a turnaround in form under a new manager. Let's be honest if he doesn't then he will be out the team pretty sharpish.
 
My thoughts regarding Basham and Wallace: (if anybody cares that is)

I think Wallace is great; a complete midfielder, but anyone including him in a potential team is setting themselves up for a fall. I'd love him to start when he's fit, but we need to prepared for the potential reality of him not featuring due to injury and have a plan B.

As for Basham, I've never been totally convinced with him, but I'm prepared to start the season with an open mind: in his first season he was more often than not played out of position and in his second he had no help from Hammond and did all the running.
With a manager that can give him direction and confidence, a solid back 4 and a more enthusiastic midfield partner he could play an important part this season.
 
moDtheGod said:
Have we still got him then? I thought his contract expired this summer?

I cannot believe we would persevere with him. He's a crock and we should get shut. I don't care how good he may be technically, we never get to see it and you can't build a team around someone who is going to give you 15 games a season.
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I'm not sure regarding his contract.

As for your second paragraph, as much as I love what I've seen of him I do tend to agree. Lets say for instance he plays the first 5 games and he plays great , we win most of the games then he is out again for months, this could upset our rhythm and fluidity big time so it isn't worth the risk, unless he's on next to nothing and we can get someone of a similar ilk?
 
Chali 2na said:
My thoughts regarding Basham and Wallace: (if anybody cares that is)

I think Wallace is great; a complete midfielder, but anyone including him in a potential team is setting themselves up for a fall. I'd love him to start when he's fit, but we need to prepared for the potential reality of him not featuring due to injury and have a plan B.

As for Basham, I've never been totally convinced with him, but I'm prepared to start the season with an open mind: in his first season he was more often than not played out of position and in his second he had no help from Hammond and did all the running.
With a manager that can give him direction and confidence, a solid back 4 and a more enthusiastic midfield partner he could play an important part this season.
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Basham is clearly a dedicated pro who always does his best regardless of the state of the game. He has a great attitude on the pitch and combines his height with a strong engine which always come in handy in midfield; he can tackle and has some pace. He is an honest player and talks a lot to his teammates.

In midfield he has real limitations with the ball at his feet and he's one who should shuffle it to more skilled players; goals and assists always seem to elude him, though he never shirks an opportunity but he has a combination of poor touch and a tendency to snatch at opportunities.

Whether he is value in midfield in a promotion season depends entirely on the formation and his playing partners there. With creativity around him he can be an asset because he is always up for the fight. Could play him in a 4-4-2 alongside Fleck but I'm not sure there would be enough creativity. In a 4-5-1 or preferably a 3-5-2 with J.Wallace in there it could be really good, or Reed, or Scougall or Adams.

For the high tempo pressing game he's certainly got the attributes.
 


Nobody would be complaining about Bash if he could repeat this (see video at 1.00 - 1.12) every week!!!
 
For me, Basham is one of those players I'm hoping will really benefit from Wilder's arrival.
He's shown, that 'on his day', he has enough to be a top performer in L1, but the consistency just hasn't been there...hopefully Wilder can fix that and bring a higher level of performance from the bloke more often.

UTB!
 



Basham epitomises 'box to box' - but I think he needs to either start developing the scoring side of his game more or decide he's going to be more of a defensive midfielder and focus on those attributes rather than being a jack of all trades. In fairness to him I think our previous managers have let him down in that sense, using him as a utility player when he is better than that.

With us now seemingly having creativity from out wide, the need for creativity in the middle is lessened. Although Fleck can provide it. It's just a case of them keeping the ball moving and not being over run. I'd like to see a midfield of Basham and Fleck deeper with someone just infront of them but we don't quite have the players to do that. As it stands I'd probably like this:

Duffy - Basham - Fleck - Done
- Adams/McNulty - Sharp

In an ideal world, Wallace would play but that's on the huge premise that he can actually stay fit. Just goes to show theres still a lot of work to do, we definitely need another winger and more attacking midfield player.
 
dannysufc_ said:
Basham epitomises 'box to box'
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You see I disagree with this. 'Box to box' doesnt just mean they have the engine to get from area to area. These players need to have the armoury to be effective at each end.

At the moment Basham doesn't have the nous or skill to play killer balls to create chances, or indeed arrive in the box to finish them. Likewise, going the other way he's not dominant enough physically.

For me a 'box to box' player has to be an all rounder. I'd say one of the last ones we had was Michael Brown.
 
I’m amazed so many people are getting their hopes up about Wallace again. I’d be absolutely amazed if he manages 20 games. Realistically, that leaves Basham as Fleck’s partner and then either a third from Scougall/Adams/Reed/Whiteman or 442. I think as a 2, Basham and Fleck would still have some weaknesses but would be a better prospect than any 2 we’ve been able to field over the last couple of years.


We’d need both to take on more responsibility for scoring goals than they have done previously. Last season they got 7 goals between them for their respective clubs. I think they both need to step up a little with a view to getting 5 each. Whilst they haven’t done it yet, I think there are reasons to believe that they could. Fleck is coming of age and scored more last season than any previously (4) and Basham got 3 whilst being moved between CB, CM and RWB. If both played a full season in a settled formation as a midfield pair, I think they could have every chance of getting 10 goals between them. Basham needs to further develop those late runs which occasionally see him grab a goal from a cross and Fleck needs to be encouraged to shoot from distance.



If that allowed us to get some combination of 4 of Sharp, Done, McNulty, Adams and Duffy on the pitch with them (or even throw one new signing into the mix- either LW or CF), then we might have enough goals in the team.
 
1danewhitehouse said:
I’m amazed so many people are getting their hopes up about Wallace again. I’d be absolutely amazed if he manages 20 games. Realistically, that leaves Basham as Fleck’s partner and then either a third from Scougall/Adams/Reed/Whiteman or 442. I think as a 2, Basham and Fleck would still have some weaknesses but would be a better prospect than any 2 we’ve been able to field over the last couple of years.


We’d need both to take on more responsibility for scoring goals than they have done previously. Last season they got 7 goals between them for their respective clubs. I think they both need to step up a little with a view to getting 5 each. Whilst they haven’t done it yet, I think there are reasons to believe that they could. Fleck is coming of age and scored more last season than any previously (4) and Basham got 3 whilst being moved between CB, CM and RWB. If both played a full season in a settled formation as a midfield pair, I think they could have every chance of getting 10 goals between them. Basham needs to further develop those late runs which occasionally see him grab a goal from a cross and Fleck needs to be encouraged to shoot from distance.



If that allowed us to get some combination of 4 of Sharp, Done, McNulty, Adams and Duffy on the pitch with them (or even throw one new signing into the mix- either LW or CF), then we might have enough goals in the team.
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Oh for a United team that gets the central midfielders into the final third of the pitch.

If we attack only through the wide men w eare too predictable and it doesn't play to Sharp's real strengths which are engaged when we play the ball to his feet in the area; bring him into play in the final third to his feet on a half turn or his back to goal and he'll score and assist time and again. Our central midfield rarely set foot over the centre circle last season, with the occasional exception of Basham when he played there.

When I see a central midfielder pick up a clearance just outside the area I will be, well, ecstatic, I'll leave it there.:)
 
Woodwardfan said:
Oh for a United team that gets the central midfielders into the final third of the pitch.

If we attack only through the wide men w eare too predictable and it doesn't play to Sharp's real strengths which are engaged when we play the ball to his feet in the area; bring him into play in the final third to his feet on a half turn or his back to goal and he'll score and assist time and again. Our central midfield rarely set foot over the centre circle last season, with the occasional exception of Basham when he played there.

When I see a central midfielder pick up a clearance just outside the area I will be, well, ecstatic, I'll leave it there.:)
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I think it's something that's much easier to do if we play 3 in the middle but then we've got to sacrifice one of the strikers or play 352 both of which can be difficult to justify depending on the personnel available.

I'd like to see Basham and Fleck given the time to develop a partnership though. For me, Basham would have more license than Fleck to get in the box with the strikers but Fleck would be able to orchestrate from deep and try the odd pot shot from distance. If we are too predictable, we have the option of dropping Adams a little deeper into the hole to vary the play.
 
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