Ched or Henri

[Chingo]

Camera is ten times the player Ched is IMO !

 

[TonyAgana]

Good question. I think Camara is much more the finished article simply because he's been around a hell of a lot longer than Ched. So long as we're still winning, Blackie will rather support the growth of his investment in Ched.

Here's one. Opportunity-wise, how does Ched Evans compare with Billy Sharp?

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Ched is still in his honeymoon period, as Billy was in his 1st season and the fans still appear to be behind him. He's on dodgy ground though if the goals are still missing although I think his team play and apparent effort have improved significantly in the last month or so.

To me, there's still sufficient excuses to be made on the exprience and injury front and we really need to assess him at the end of the season.

Back to the question, the main difference at the moment is that Camara has experience and nous but quite clearly can't manage a full game, let alone 2 a week.

 

[Chingo]

Good question. I think Camara is much more the finished article simply because he's been around a hell of a lot longer than Ched. So long as we're still winning, Blackie will rather support the growth of his investment in Ched.

Here's one. Opportunity-wise, how does Ched Evans compare with Billy Sharp?

I would rather have Billy than Ched , its like playing with ten players ... nine if you include Taylor ... NGE IMO.

 

[madeinsheffield]

I thought Ched did well last night, and he looked quicker and sharper, personally I think he was so far from being fit when he arrived which has not helped at all, all he needs are a couple of goals

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

I thought Ched did well last night, and he looked quicker and sharper, personally I think he was so far from being fit when he arrived which has not helped at all, all he needs are a couple of goals

I think he's also benefitted from playing alongside Cressy, there seems to be more understanding there than with Hendo.

 

[Lincoln Blade]

I would honestly have ched above henri any day, in recent games henri has missed a substancial number of fairly straight forward opportunities and constantly finds himself offside all the time due to his poor acceleration and/or lazyness??
I agree that ched is nowhere near his best but it is obvious that there is much more to come from him whereas for me henri is only going to get worse from now on due to his age.

 

[Revolution]

Evans has not scored in 16 matches.

For a striker, that is an appalling record.

Sharp has not scored in his last 18 League appearances for us.

Also appalling.

It's hard to say which has been more disappointing.

 

[butchaboy]

I think with Henri we play much more passing football on the ground because thats where henri demands it, on the other hand ched seems happy to give it his all and take it on his head,

I think also Camara's pace would help our squad, at least two times last night if Ched has more pace he would of been 1 on 1

Dont get me wrong i like Ched but i think Henri would score more at the moment compared to how Ched is doing

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Camara can't start every match his injuries simply don't allow it.

Which pretty much kills the debate although much of it depends on if you only rate your forwards on goals scored. Ched spends more time out of the box than in it, he also is straight onto the full back when we don't have the ball. That is obviously tactics and what he is being told to do. Cresswell generally is in the box (pulling out wide occasionally) and doesn't pick up a full back when we don't have the ball he stays with the centre half and central.

 

[Syko]

Thing that confuses me about Ched is that when he does something completely crap, it doesnt seem to bother him one little bit. He gets his head down and plays on for the next opportunity.

Now in one sense i admire that but in another people i play 5 a side with are like that. They know they are crap and they just accept it, they don't let it get them down. I wonder if Ched is starting to think he's not very good.

However it's easy for me to spot that he is an obvious talent. He is never going to be a great great player but i'm confident he will become a good one if he can find the net a few times.

As for chosing him over Camara/Sharp. Camara is too close to call, but as long as we continue to play the current style of football i would honestly play Jason Lee ahead of Billy Sharp any day of the week.

Syko

 

[the magic man]

I thought Ched worked his socks off last night. I know he's not scoring, which is a big negative considering he's a STRIKER and we paid a hell of a lot of money for him, but last night was a step in the right direction for me. A bit cliched, but i think as soon as he scores one he'll get 10-15 this season.

However, at the minute, purely on merit, I would pick Henri to play alonside Creswell - an experienced potent partnership in my opinion. The guile and workrate of Cresswell with Henri's speed and skill would scare most defences at this level i feel. What does everyone else reckon?

 

[Latters]

I thought Ched worked his socks off last night. I know he's not scoring, which is a big negative considering he's a STRIKER and we paid a hell of a lot of money for him, but last night was a step in the right direction for me. A bit cliched, but i think as soon as he scores one he'll get 10-15 this season.

However, at the minute, purely on merit, I would pick Henri to play alonside Creswell - an experienced potent partnership in my opinion. The guile and workrate of Cresswell with Henri's speed and skill would scare most defences at this level i feel. What does everyone else reckon?

Did you think that the last time he scored?

Camara to start for me every time, if he gets tired, take him off. See if Evans is any better coming on fresh against tired defenders. Camara and Cresswell would be my preferred front two at the moment, as per my chosen starting 11 for last night from another thread.

 

[the magic man]

Did you think that the last time he scored?

Camara to start for me every time, if he gets tired, take him off. See if Evans is any better coming on fresh against tired defenders. Camara and Cresswell would be my preferred front two at the moment, as per my chosen starting 11 for last night from another thread.

I did have faith - now misplaced it may be - that he would get bags full this season. His confidence is a bit low at minute, i dont think anyone would dispute that. I still think he had a good game last night - he needs a couple of goals to get his gander up

 

[Latters]

I did have faith - now misplaced it may be - that he would get bags full this season. His confidence is a bit low at minute, i dont think anyone would dispute that. I still think he had a good game last night - he needs a couple of goals to get his gander up

He does need a couple of goals, but it's getting them, and at the moment he doesn't look like doing it. It might be a bit "chicken and egg", he needs confidence to get the goals but he needs the goals to get the confidence.

He's a bit of an enigma for me. His posture and technique look like he should be a decent player. Even the way he runs seems to look like the gait of a footballer, but when it comes to the actual playing, he's coming up short. He did ok yesterday, but I didn't see him do much that none of our other strikers could.

 

[mattbianco1]

Daddy or Chips?

 

[LouTheBlade]

Completely incomparable players. They hold absolutely no similarity in the way they play. Its a futile discussion. Both still have much to prove.

 

[Chingo]

Completely incomparable players. They hold absolutely no similarity in the way they play. Its a futile discussion. Both still have much to prove.

No it isn't ! , KB dropped Camera for Evans last night , its about who you would rather have in the team.

Everyone keeps saying Ched was a "bit better last night" , they keep saying that every game ............... are we talking in thousands of an inch better ? cos without a vernier I can't see it.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

No it isn't ! , KB dropped Camera for Evans last night , its about who you would rather have in the team.

Everyone keeps saying Ched was a "bit better last night" , they keep saying that every game ............... are we talking in thousands of an inch better ? cos without a vernier I can't see it.

Given that Ched had played the last x number of games, I think it's fair to say he brought Camara in for the cup game rather than dropped him last night.

Who is likely to be around next season and who is likely to be the better player in 1, 2, 3 years time ?

 

[LouTheBlade]

No it isn't ! , KB dropped Camera for Evans last night , its about who you would rather have in the team.

Everyone keeps saying Ched was a "bit better last night" , they keep saying that every game ............... are we talking in thousands of an inch better ? cos without a vernier I can't see it.

Yes it is. The very first post at the top of the thread states an opinion that Camara is 'ten times the player' that Evans is. That has nothing to do with who would you prefer in the team?!

They are nothing alike so for me the original question is a pointless comparison. In answer to your more relevant question I would prefer Camara just at the moment.

Evans' performances have improved but I still expect much more from him. A striker costing seven figures should score a goal every other game IMO.

 

[SwissBlade]

Ched would be my choice, but they're different players.

I like Ched's touch, he works hard and is a clever player. He panics too much in front of goal and his current goal scoring record is awful.

But I think Blackie needs to help him out and play him for a run of games without changing him out and subbing him.

I also think he needs to concentrate on being a striker, he works back too deep and is not in the box often enough because he comes searching for the ball. Billy did the same and also BT did at times.

As for Camara, he's a quick thinking, heels of the last defender striker. I don't believe he's fit enough yet so will get better towards the end of the season. I think he's lazier than Ched and I don't mean that in a bad way. He doesn't chase the lost causes. Perhaps Ched needs to learn this

Either player is an asset to the team. Its clear that we put a lot of demands on our strikers to work back, which is fine, but we have 8 other players to work back. Lets keep our strikers up front.

Personally i'd like to see Ched and Camara as our partnership, so for me its not Ched or Camara its Ched AND Camara.

 

[Liaminho9]

i would normally say henri every time, however, i learnt at last nights match, that ched evans is apparently top of the league's assists charts.

 

[SwissBlade]

i would normally say henri every time, however, i learnt at last nights match, that ched evans is apparently top of the league's assists charts.

Not according to the football league stats he's not

http://www.football-league.co.uk/page/DivisionalAssists/0,,10794~20097,00.html

However, for the Blades Ched and Treacy both have 4 assists in the league, followed by Quinn, Ward and Little on 3. Morgs and TAYLOR both have 2 assists.

Just checked the Blades Shooting stats, Ched is top for number of shots on and off target. Plus in all competitions this season he's hit the Woodwork 5 times!

 

[Grecian2000]

Statistically speaking, is a shot that hits the woodwork classed as on or off target?

 

[Houso]

It's a toss up for me to be honest.

Happy enough with either. The tough question for me is Hendo or Cresswell.

 

[LouTheBlade]

Statistically speaking, is a shot that hits the woodwork classed as on or off target?

Off target. The target is classed as the area between the posts and bar. Put simply if the keeper is not required to make a save then its off target.