Ched Evans Claptrap

[Ted Danson]

I'm reserving my judgment on Evans until I've seen him play a game up front with Ward or Camara. I feel he needs a pacey partner with him up front. I just don't think him and Hendo work. I do think he'll come good though.

 

[Blade]

He'll be ok and could be a good player I think but he clearly doesn't work with Henderson (who has) and isn't going to get it together in my opinion by being eased into the side, not playing away from home and without playing closer to goal and changing the way we're using him.

Of course the money has an impact on the expectations, more so because we have a limited pot and such a small squad with few alternatives. Paying even 750k whilst making him one of the most expensive players at the club/in the league will quite naturally mean that we've taken a gamble where we could have easily got someone in who was ready to do the job now and produce much quicker results.

Had we got plenty of money, a fantastic squad with other great strikers and the time to let him come in every three games with a cameo until he's ready for it then people wouldn't feel aggrieved with the standard of his performances. Instead what we're being told is that we spent all our spare change on somebody we should not expect immediate results from, in a league and indeed season where results are paramount. I don't blame the kid for it. I do agree to some extent that he shouldn't be the one facing boos/slaggings off by the fans.

In terms of the comparison to Walker, I feel Evans has shown a few glimpses of what he can offer us up to now but mainly done worse than you should expect for a championship striker if you want to get promoted. Walker on the other hand has been excellent on the whole with enough glimpses to remind you he's not got much experience. That's the difference. Add to that as has been said Evans comes here with a good international record at youth level and getting 16 games for city before the age of 20 isn't too shabby to be honest even before they started spending crazy money. He obviously showed more up there than he's shown for us yet.

To end though I think we shouldn't really be singling out any players for abuse at the moment, crtical conversation on a football forum, in the pub or at work with the mates is absoutely spot on but the abuse it sounds like some players have had such as at Blackpool is not cool.

 

[lenners]

Thanks, disagreement = claptrap

Yes, you are missing the point;

kyle, mistake or off-day = inexperience
ched, mistake or off-day = waste of money, should be better bearing in mind what we paid

all I'm saying is why can't it be ched, not performing = inexperience ?

Kyle, mistake or off day - still looks a good player in the making
Ched, mistake or off day - they're all like that and he's never looked a good player.

And time to drop the inexperience excuse, he's not 17.
He's played over 60 games, including games for his country. NGE as someone used to say.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

No he isn't 17 he is 20 and young players have always been inconsistent, that consistency is what they get with age. Also I don't know if you can remember what you were like at 20, but if you were full of confidence and nothing knocked you I'd be very surprised.

I'd also say Walker should look a good player in the making seeing as using your value system he cost double what Ched did, therefore he should look twice the player.
Walker hasn't played well this season and doesn't seem to be learning from his mistakes.
Yet Ched gets all the stick.

I'm confident that come the end of the season you will be changing your tune and telling us how you always thought he'd come good.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Kyle, mistake or off day - still looks a good player in the making
Ched, mistake or off day - they're all like that and he's never looked a good player.

And time to drop the inexperience excuse, he's not 17.
He's played over 60 games, including games for his country. NGE as someone used to say.

Over 60 games, blimey.

 

[alcoblade]

No he isn't 17 he is 20 and young players have always been inconsistent, that consistency is what they get with age. Also I don't know if you can remember what you were like at 20, but if you were full of confidence and nothing knocked you I'd be very surprised.

I'd also say Walker should look a good player in the making seeing as using your value system he cost double what Ched did, therefore he should look twice the player.
Walker hasn't played well this season and doesn't seem to be learning from his mistakes.
Yet Ched gets all the stick.

I'm confident that come the end of the season you will be changing your tune and telling us how you always thought he'd come good.

Walker has played well at times this season, and at times he's made mistakes. Evans hasn't played well this season, period. If I'm missing a purple patch, remind me of it.

Unlike Len I'm not writing him off and will be delighted when he starts to earn even a quarter of his pay. I haven't seen it yet, but don't discount the possibility that he could still come good. But let's not fool ourselves that he's been anything other than a complete let down so far.

UTB

 

[lenners]

No he isn't 17 he is 20 and young players have always been inconsistent, that consistency is what they get with age. Also I don't know if you can remember what you were like at 20, but if you were full of confidence and nothing knocked you I'd be very surprised.

I'd also say Walker should look a good player in the making seeing as using your value system he cost double what Ched did, therefore he should look twice the player.
Walker hasn't played well this season and doesn't seem to be learning from his mistakes.
Yet Ched gets all the stick.

I'm confident that come the end of the season you will be changing your tune and telling us how you always thought he'd come good.

He already has consistency. He's consistently crap.
Walker's fee and Evans' fee were the same but Walker looks more than twice the player.
It's nothing to do with age, consistency, being shy or anything. He simply appears to lack basic footballing ability.
Mebbes he'll come good - I hope he does - but his shocking contribution to our team so far has been a significant part in our very poor season.

 

[shorehamview]

He already has consistency. He's consistently crap.
Walker's fee and Evans' fee were the same but Walker looks more than twice the player.
It's nothing to do with age, consistency, being shy or anything. He simply appears to lack basic footballing ability.
Mebbes he'll come good - I hope he does - but his shocking contribution to our team so far has been a significant part in our very poor season.

Perhaps Walker has seen a hell of a lot more of the ball than Evans has for several reasons. Is because the style of play doesn't suit him, or is it because as we have been under the cosh a lot all the defenders are seeing a lot more of the ball than the one or two forwards? Maybe it's a little more complex than the "he's crap" view. I'm not denying that he's been a disappointment, but to bring it down to "he's crap" perhaps doesn't paint the whole picture.

Unless of course you are one of the few who think you are always right no matter what, even as far as believing that you are alone in having the only shit that smells of roses.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

He already has consistency. He's consistently crap.
Walker's fee and Evans' fee were the same but Walker looks more than twice the player.

How do you work that out? Walker cost more, a lot more.

From Mr McCabe himself

"Well, the actual split {walker and naughton} is £6 million and £4 million."

So he cost more straight out (a third) than Ched even using your unconfirmed figures, plus the loan back, plus the sell on clauses, what would you say those are "worth".

I'm just asking for you to compare like with like.

 

[lenners]

How do you work that out? Walker cost more, a lot more.

From Mr McCabe himself

"Well, the actual split {walker and naughton} is £6 million and £4 million."

So he cost more straight out (a third) than Ched, plus the loan back, plus the sell on clauses, what would you say those are "worth".

I'm just asking for you to compare like with like.

Apologies, I thought Walker was £3m.
Maybe we should compare him with a £300,000 striker on our books.
He doesn't come out well there either.

 

[lenners]

Perhaps Walker has seen a hell of a lot more of the ball than Evans has for several reasons. Is because the style of play doesn't suit him, or is it because as we have been under the cosh a lot all the defenders are seeing a lot more of the ball than the one or two forwards? Maybe it's a little more complex than the "he's crap" view. I'm not denying that he's been a disappointment, but to bring it down to "he's crap" perhaps doesn't paint the whole picture.

Unless of course you are one of the few who think you are always right no matter what, even as far as believing that you are alone in having the only shit that smells of roses.

He sees more of the ball because he wants it. He gets involved.
And if we've been under the cosh I wonder if there's a connection with the plank up front never being in the game, never providing an outlet, never winning a header, never finding space, never retaining possession.

 

[alcoblade]

Mebbes he'll come good - I hope he does

do you, really?

UTB

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Who Walker? Well he's not doing too well to say he cost nearly 15 times more, which just goes to show what a load of nonsense all this Ched bashing based on his fee is.

Nice to see that Ward has turned into Pele while he has been injured though.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

do you, really?

UTB

of course he does, then he can claim how he always said he was a good signing for £750,000

 

[lenners]

The fee was £3m - ten times that of Ward. Sadly, Ward has looked ten times the player Evans has.
If Evans suddenly performs like a £3m striker and we win promotion, who wouldn't be happy?

 

[alcoblade]

If Evans suddenly performs like a £3m striker and we win promotion, who wouldn't be happy?

You. I've long since realised that you'd far rather be proved right than see United do anything positive.

UTB

 

[lenners]

You. I've long since realised that you'd far rather be proved right than see United do anything positive.

UTB

I don't need to be proved right, I am right.
I'd also be very happy to see us promoted this year. As well as extremely shocked.

 

[alcoblade]

I don't need to be proved right, I am right.
I'd also be very happy to see us promoted this year. As well as extremely shocked.

You can't possibly be 100% confident that Evans will not turn out to be a good striker. He's too highly respected elsewhere.

Like me, you rightly have big doubts. Unlike me, you're desperate to be right about it.

UTB

 

[lenners]

You can't possibly be 100% confident that Evans will not turn out to be a good striker. He's too highly respected elsewhere.

Like me, you rightly have big doubts. Unlike me, you're desperate to be right about it.

UTB

No, I expect to be proved right which is different.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

The fee was £3m - ten times that of Ward. Sadly, Ward has looked ten times the player Evans has.
If Evans suddenly performs like a £3m striker and we win promotion, who wouldn't be happy?

We actually don't know what the fee is we know the deal was £3 Million no one has ever asked him what we paid upfront.
Walker cost Spurs £4 Million plus year loan back plus sell on clause a roundabout £5 Million minimum.
Has he looked 15 times the player Ward has, also following this stupid logic if it is proven that Evans has only cost £750,000 upfront Walker would you say that Walker hasn't been 5 times the player this season?

I actually think Len has gone so far down this Evans is rubbish path that he will stick with his opinion now unless he starts bags 25 goals next season.
Evans could get 15 goals this season and Len would still have a go.

 

[lenners]

We actually don't know what the fee is we know the deal was £3 Million no one has ever asked him what we paid upfront.
Walker cost Spurs £4 Million plus year loan back plus sell on clause a roundabout £5 Million minimum.
Has he looked 15 times the player Ward has, also following this stupid logic if it is proven that Evans has only cost £750,000 upfront Walker would you say that Walker hasn't been 5 times the player this season?

I actually think Len has gone so far down this Evans is rubbish path that he will stick with his opinion now unless he starts bags 25 goals next season.
Evans could get 15 goals this season and Len would still have a go.

I see, so you've given up on our £3m man getting 20 goals this season.
15 goals would be an excellent return from the shyte he's served up so far, so let's hope so.
Not really following your logic on the fees. Walker looks every bit worth a big fee. Young, quick, talented, strong, good heart.
Ward looks every bit worth a lot more than we paid for him.
Evans looks worth £50,000 tops.

 

[10 (formerly TEN)]

Soton, is there a style of play?

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I see, so you've given up on our £3m man getting 20 goals this season.
15 goals would be an excellent return from the shyte he's served up so far, so let's hope so.
Not really following your logic on the fees. Walker looks every bit worth a big fee. Young, quick, talented, strong, good heart.
Ward looks every bit worth a lot more than we paid for him.
Evans looks worth £50,000 tops.

Nope I've not given up on our £750,000 man getting 15-20 goals this season.

I still think he will reach this target, injuries permitting. He is getting better by each game, having more influence and linking up better with the rest of the team.

 

[Fiery Blade]

It appears that most posters have been judging Evans in comparison to Ward or Walker or by his fee £3million (McCabe) / £750k (Seth Bennett) !
Where I was coming from is that yesterday v Scotland Evans got his 11th Full International Cap (Substituted at half time) following 12 Under 21 caps - From what I have seen this season he isn't playing anywhere near an international standard and having made so many international appearances should he be described as a development player!
By the way Cotterill also played yesterday (sub)
I know Wales arn't the strongest nation in the world but international football is as high as one can aspire to in the game so should we be expecting more from young Ched!

 

[HoodedClaw]

He sees more of the ball because he wants it. He gets involved.
And if we've been under the cosh I wonder if there's a connection with the plank up front never being in the game, never providing an outlet, never winning a header, never finding space, never retaining possession.

Considering the overriding tactic is to get the ball as quick as possible to Hendo, I fail to see that even if Evans found space the ball would get to him.

To me the reason the defence sees more of the ball is:

Get it to Hendo ASAP ---> Foul ---> Ball comes back towards our defence.

Unfortunately Lenners I feel you have the wrong cause as to why Evans has underperformed for us.

 

[lenners]

Considering the overriding tactic is to get the ball as quick as possible to Hendo, I fail to see that even if Evans found space the ball would get to him.

To me the reason the defence sees more of the ball is:

Get it to Hendo ASAP ---> Foul ---> Ball comes back towards our defence.

Unfortunately Lenners I feel you have the wrong cause as to why Evans has underperformed for us.

Yes, we never have any attacks or the ball in forward positions because the ball only goes to Henderson who commits a foul to return possession.
Folk often point to players' reputations and abilities gathering strength when they're not in the team.
Evans is the first player to manage this while actually playing shyte while being in the team.