Boro

[Blade58]

There are rumours surfacing that Boro may be about to go into admin.

The fire sale has begun. Gary O'Neill and Wheater have just been sold and figures quoted of £90m debt. Gibsons business apparantly is in deep trouble.

The latest rumour has come apparantly from Bernie Slayvens facebook. Something about admin tomorrow?

From a personal point of view, I don't wish admin on any football club. However, in our precarious position it would be a bit of a bonus.

A case of needs must

Anyone else heard anything?

 

[Kopped]

They'll be in more trouble than a normal club going into Admin. This is twice now, so surely would warrant a huge 17-30 point deduction.

Of course, they are a favoured side so won't happen.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

When did Boro last go into admin? 1986?

 

[Kopped]

When did Boro last go into admin? 1986?

And this exempts them How? It's still admin for a second time and should be treated as such. Didn't Leeds get a 15 point deduction for a second administration (the first one being in 1925 or something)

 

[Highbury_Blade]

And this exempts them How? It's still admin for a second time and should be treated as such. Didn't Leeds get a 15 point deduction for a second administration (the first one being in 1925 or something)

No Leeds got the 15 points for failing to agree a CVA with their creditors, as did Southampton, and Luton (who got even more)

 

[Kopped]

It might have nowt to do with it then but it's still a second Admin. Maybe the penalty will be a new one and will be Auto Relegation (which it should be for 1 admin never mind 2) Just my opinion of course.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

It might have nowt to do with it then but it's still a second Admin. Maybe the penalty will be a new one and will be Auto Relegation (which it should be for 1 admin never mind 2) Just my opinion of course.

How far do you go back to determine this punishment? 20 years, 30 years?

EDIT: Ignore that. Administration didn't exist before the insolvency act of 86.

 

[Kopped]

So other clubs struggle and don't get anywhere.

Boro spend well beyond their means and can't be punished because it happened 25 years *ago last time. What's going to happen in the next 25 years when they do it again, no punishment?

Or maybe this is the "Big Name" the FA should be making an example of to send a message to the rest of the football league including the Premiership.

 

[Kev Gee]

wouldnt wish it on any club but Boro have spent beyond their means for years.

 

[Revolution]

Middlesbrough have never been in administration: they went into Liquidation in 1986, I think, as the company which holds the current club was incorporated on that date.

 

[Houso]

And can we please get rid of this bloody chip on our shoulder about 'favoured clubs'.

 

[Selly]

So other clubs struggle and don't get anywhere.

Boro spend well beyond their means and can't be punished because it happened 25 years *ago last time. What's going to happen in the next 25 years when they do it again, no punishment?

Or maybe this is the "Big Name" the FA should be making an example of to send a message to the rest of the football league including the Premiership.

The FA shouldn`t "be making an example" of any club, thats just unfair on that particular club.

What the PL and FL should be doing is making the punishment a lot bigger, like auto relegation, perhaps 2 divisions. 10 points, whilst a pain in the arse, can be gotten over relatively quickly (see Leeds) in a couple of seasons. It just isn`t enough of a disincentive.

However to do this they need to be up front about it and give appropriate notice, not just do it to a club simply because they feel like it...

 

[Balham]

10 points would be punishment enough. Middlesbrough FC was reformed in 1986 after its holding company was liquidated (hence the old badge having 1986 on it as formed date). This is before Steve Gibson's time and the fans shouldn't be punished for mistakes made a generation ago.

Rotherham have been in admin twice and only got a 10 point deduction each time.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

There are rumours surfacing that Boro may be about to go into admin.

The fire sale has begun. Gary O'Neill and Wheater have just been sold and figures quoted of £90m debt. Gibsons business apparantly is in deep trouble.

The latest rumour has come apparantly from Bernie Slayvens facebook. Something about admin tomorrow?

From a personal point of view, I don't wish admin on any football club. However, in our precarious position it would be a bit of a bonus.

A case of needs must

Anyone else heard anything?

I hope it's not true.

Can't help feeling the Gibson has only done what we poor skint fans would do if we had the money - backed his club. It feels very different to the likes of how Ridsdale and Bates have used the system over the years.

 

[Revolution]

10 points would be punishment enough. Middlesbrough FC was reformed in 1986 after its holding company was liquidated (hence the old badge having 1986 on it as formed date). This is before Steve Gibson's time and the fans shouldn't be punished for mistakes made a generation ago.

Gibson was the one who bailed them out in 1986.

 

[Kenilworth]

What the PL should do is get their own house in order first and rid themselves of all the rumour and apparent dodgey dealings that surrounds their board and get some consistency and credibility back. Mind you that goes for all of the footballing bodies in England. It's all well and good slagging off the very iffy Blatter and his mob at FIFA but there are a lot of issues in our own game.

Boro have had a chairman in Steve Gibson who has personally backed his club over the years. To say they have spent beyond their means is the same as comparing them with Chelski or Man Arabia City - you could argue that they too have spent beyond their means (albeit on a different scale). Gibson chased the dream and probably went too far if this rumour is true so the chickens are now coming home to roost. I hope that Micky turns us around such that we don't have to rely on any other club being docked points. I hope we finish above them on merit as well as three or four other teams.

 

[j j]

We owe our chairman £50M. Glass houses and all that.

 

[Selly]

If they get deducted points (for going into admin) we will finish above them on merit, as they will have broken the rules that we all signed up to.

It's irrelevant whether we would have finished above the otherwise. One can argue that the 3 points more than us that they have at the moment may be as a result of them overspending...

 

[sheffielder]

We owe our chairman £50M. Glass houses and all that.

So what your saying is our chairman(owner) owes himself £50million?

---------- Post added at 10:13 AM ---------- Previous post was at 10:10 AM ----------

Boro I believe are closer to £200 million in debt. Gibson only ever was underwriter of the debt. I think this is the club people have been waiting for

 

[2ndtenorblade]

So what your saying is our chairman(owner) owes himself £50million

I look at it that way.

 

[Kopped]

10 points would be punishment enough. Middlesbrough FC was reformed in 1986 after its holding company was liquidated (hence the old badge having 1986 on it as formed date). This is before Steve Gibson's time and the fans shouldn't be punished for mistakes made a generation ago.

Rotherham have been in admin twice and only got a 10 point deduction each time.

Rotherham was deducted 17 points the second time wasn't they? along with Bournemouth. And Luton was deducted 30 for going into Admin after March and then twice again in the Summer.

I don't think it will matter anyway, Boro will get away with it regardless of what they do or don't do, just like Pompey and the Pigs this season. Some Punishment giving them a transfer Embargo.

Just to add to the Harsh Punishment that I mentioned should happen earlier. Any team having a Transfer Embargo put on them should have to Automatically put ALL their players on the transfer list and take a 5 point penalty as it's Financial Irregularities that have caused it in the first place

 

[SwissBlade]

I like Boro and Gibson.

They were one of the few clubs that backed us over the Tevez affair

 

[Eskimo]

I think that if Middlesbrough went into Admin the FA should decide that it would be unfair on their supporters to dock points because they have suffered so much already and fine them instead. Oh they're not West Ham are they?

 

[Balham]

Gibson was the one who bailed them out in 1986.

I stand corrected...but that doesn't mean he was involved in the first failure. In building the Riverside, he probably employed half the town...

Rotherham was deducted 17 points the second time wasn't they?

Yes, but that was for failing to meet the terms of their CVA. Different story to going into admin twice, 25 years apart.

 

[Bladesman]

Well Boro fans are certain these rumours are not true and that people talk about admin everytime Boro decide to sell a player. Our fans seem to be talking about it alot more than them so I guess it is just wishful thinking from out point of view.

 

[j j]

So what your saying is our chairman(owner) owes himself £50million?

Unless someone buys the debt off him.