Bobby Davison sticks the boot in

[Houso]

And Sheffield United?

"They need to start well," says Davison, whose recent stint as manager of Ferencvaros came after the Bramall Lane club had taken over the Hungarian giants.

"If they don't, the pressure will be really on the manager. The problem at Bramall Lane last season was they never had a settled team, and to me it wasn't all down to injuries.

"I believe there was far too much moaning about injuries and that, instead, there was too much chopping and changing, especially up front.

"Daniel Bogdanovic could be a good signing from Barnsley but he has to play alongside a regular partner, week-in and week-out. If he does that, United could sneak into the play-offs."

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sheffield-utd/Topsyturvy-Championship-can-offer-Yorkshire.6451798.jp

 

[Revolution]

That looks like reasonable analysis to me.

 

[davidpinder]

Me to. Got that spot on.

 

[sheffielder]

doesn't look like he is sticking the boot in. Does the truth hurt or something.

Less moaning and more doing this season definately is required from all people! (including myself)

 

[boo radley]

Less moaning and more doing this season definately is required from all people! (including myself)

Just abuse people on forums to get it off your chest kid

 

[Grecian2000]

Why would anyone perceive his comments as "sticking the boot in"?

We had injuries, but there were many occasions when players were played out of position or changes made to the team that had nothing to do with injuries. That's all he's said as far as I can see.

Changing formation between home and away games (as more and more people seem to be predicting will happen) will have the same effect. It won't be injuries that mean this happens.

 

[Houso]

Why would anyone perceive his comments as "sticking the boot in"?

We had injuries, but there were many occasions when players were played out of position or changes made to the team that had nothing to do with injuries. That's all he's said as far as I can see.

Changing formation between home and away games (as more and more people seem to be predicting will happen) will have the same effect. It won't be injuries that mean this happens.

The phrase I used may have been a tad extreme, but you don't see an element of criticism of Blackwell in there?

 

[sheffielder]

The phrase I used may have been a tad extreme, but you don't see an element of criticism of Blackwell in there?

You can only use the injury excuse so far, it's not the whole reason behind last season. Blackwell deserves a little stick, and even he might admit to that. I am hoping he has learn't a great lesson in handling players from last years experience

 

[raul]

The phrase I used may have been a tad extreme, but you don't see an element of criticism of Blackwell in there?

Considerably less than in your own posts I'd say.


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[boo radley]

You can only use the injury excuse so far, it's not the whole reason behind last season. Blackwell deserves a little stick, and even he might admit to that. I am hoping he has learn't a great lesson in handling players from last years experience

No alot was down to the moaning fans of which you accepted you were one, so thank you for taking some of the blame and the self critisism you expressed. I am hoping that as one of them, you have learn't a great lesson in handling frustation from last years experience.

 

[sheffielder]

No alot was down to the moaning fans of which you accepted you were one, so thank you for taking some of the blame and the self critisism you expressed. I am hoping that as one of them, you have learn't a great lesson in handling frustation from last years experience.

So your saying that it was more the fans than Blackwell? I have actually learn't the full meaning of putting things in perspective after watching my last England game this summer. Maybe things aren't that bad, then there are a few tits like you! x

 

[boo radley]

So your saying that it was more the fans than Blackwell? I have actually learn't the full meaning of putting things in perspective after watching my last England game this summer. Maybe things aren't that bad, then there are a few tits like you! x

There you go again letting the frustration get the better of you and reverting to personal abuse. Where did i put more?
When you grow up you'll learn some better ways of self expressing.

 

[Grecian2000]

No alot was down to the moaning fans

Can I just get this straight.

Are you suggesting the performance of the team last season was in any way effected by "moaning fans" on forums such as this?

 

[boo radley]

Can I just get this straight.

Are you suggesting the performance of the team last season was in any way effected by "moaning fans" on forums such as this?

er-----------no

 

[Grecian2000]

er-----------no

OooooKkkkk

 

[Blade]

our performance last year was not "a lot to do with the moaning of fans" it was a lot to do with Mccabe continuing the trend of selling our best players and Blackwell making poor use of the players he had available. It was also a lot to do with us signing players on good money who were worse than players waiting in the wings like lowton. If this season continues in the same way then we're unlikely to see fans suddenly start to feel positive about us changing from a club with high hopes and more money than most into a club with poor depth and poor performances.

If you're happy to accept fans can be fickle then it works both ways, give them something to be positive about in the way you play or at least present yourself and fans will give you their backing. last season we watched shit football and listened to blackwell making excuses every single week - I struggle to recall a moment since Blackwell joined where he has taken responsibility for either our performances or for our results given we remained one of the teams with the highest wage bill in the league.

 

[Balham]

our performance last year was not "a lot to do with the moaning of fans" it was a lot to do with Mccabe continuing the trend of selling our best players

Such as Kilgallon - £1m in for a player with 5 months left on his contract; Walker - £3m for a player who'd played fewer than 10 games and Naughton - £5m for one good half season.

It was either that or real financial struggles. Would you prefer to be in Cardiff's position with 10 available players for a cup tie because they have no money?

last season we watched shit football and listened to blackwell making excuses every single week.

That I'm not going to disagree with. Maybe not every week but it did get a bit repetitive

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

That I'm not going to disagree with. Maybe not every week but it did get a bit repetitive

Aye it wasn't every week, if we lost he sent Ellis out to do the interview.

 

[Revolution]

Such as Kilgallon - £1m in for a player with 5 months left on his contract; Walker - £3m for a player who'd played fewer than 10 games and Naughton - £5m for one good half season.

It was either that or real financial struggles.

No it wasn't. There is no HMRC or bank in our scenario. It was either that or Mr McCabe would have had to put in more funds. He chose not to do this (as is his right) so we sold instead.

The idea that we would go broke if we didn't sell is laugable. That is practically impossible unless McCabe was to force the issue, and it is not in his interest to do that.

 

[Balham]

Such as Kilgallon - £1m in for a player with 5 months left on his contract; Walker - £3m for a player who'd played fewer than 10 games and Naughton - £5m for one good half season.

It was either that or real financial struggles.

No it wasn't. There is no HMRC or bank in our scenario. It was either that or Mr McCabe would have had to put in more funds. He chose not to do this (as is his right) so we sold instead.

The idea that we would go broke if we didn't sell is laugable. That is practically impossible unless McCabe was to force the issue, and it is not in his interest to do that.

OK, so you own a business. It can generate its own capital through sale of assets (arguably for way over their true market value) or you can put the funds in yourself. There's no proof that keeping the assets will increase the performance of the company.

What would you do?

 

[Revolution]

OK, so you own a business. It can generate its own capital through sale of assets (arguably for way over their true market value) or you can put the funds in yourself. There's no proof that keeping the assets will increase the performance of the company.

What would you do?

You've missed the point I was making about your post.

I am not saying that putting money in was correct or selling the players was correct. I am saying that whatever we did, there was no chance that we would be in the same position as the likes of Cardiff.

By the way, if you look at every transfer deal like that - ie there's no proof keeping a player will make you better - you will sell in every case. Seems like we are following this model.

(For what it's worth, although it's not worth debating again, as I have said numerous times on this board I would have tried to sell Kilgallon - the one who was going to be out of contract - in the close season in 2008-9, and I would not have sold both Kyles under any circumstances. I might have sold one, depending on who else I could have got to play centre half during the close season).

 

[Balham]

You've missed the point I was making about your post.

I am not saying that putting money in was correct or selling the players was correct. I am saying that whatever we did, there was no chance that we would be in the same position as the likes of Cardiff.

By the way, if you look at every transfer deal like that - ie there's no proof keeping a player will make you better - you will sell in every case. Seems like we are following this model.

(For what it's worth, although it's not worth debating again, as I have said numerous times on this board I would have tried to sell Kilgallon - the one who was going to be out of contract - in the close season in 2008-9, and I would not have sold both Kyles under any circumstances. I might have sold one, depending on who else I could have got to play centre half during the close season).

It seems to me that we've moved away from selling our players in every case to selling when the offer benefits the club as a whole. My point was that if we hadn't received £9m in transfer fees last year we would have had to find it from somewhere else. There's only so many times you can do that before you end up like Cardiff / Wednesday. The root cause was the hugely inflated wage bill which we allowed Robson to create, believing that we'd get promoted straight back up.

 

[Darthblade]

our performance last year was not "a lot to do with the moaning of fans" it was a lot to do with Mccabe continuing the trend of selling our best players and Blackwell making poor use of the players he had available. It was also a lot to do with us signing players on good money who were worse than players waiting in the wings like lowton. If this season continues in the same way then we're unlikely to see fans suddenly start to feel positive about us changing from a club with high hopes and more money than most into a club with poor depth and poor performances.

If you're happy to accept fans can be fickle then it works both ways, give them something to be positive about in the way you play or at least present yourself and fans will give you their backing. last season we watched shit football and listened to blackwell making excuses every single week - I struggle to recall a moment since Blackwell joined where he has taken responsibility for either our performances or for our results given we remained one of the teams with the highest wage bill in the league.

Good point ....... the Blades I know are consistent in the view that we don't expect United to play like Brazil or Barcelona, we dont expect to ever challenge for the top of the Premiership, but we do expect to watch football that excites and entertains us and gives us something to "support". Last season was largely dross. Poor football, poor management, poor tactics and a lot of blame and buck-passing every week. Not acceptable!!
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