CONFIRMED Academy Manager Nick Cox

[Blade58]

Just wondering if anyone can confirm that he's left the club?

I spoke to someone last night who told me that he has left for pastures new.

Intimated to me that he'd been offered a position at no other than Man Utd

Person that told me spoke highly of Nick Cox.

 

[SwissBlade]

Just wondering if anyone can confirm that he's left the club?

I spoke to someone last night who told me that he has left for pastures new.

Intimated to me that he'd been offered a position at no other than Man Utd

Person that told me spoke highly of Nick Cox.

Wasn't he on the pitch at half time yesterday?

 

[Blade58]

Don't know Swiss.

Heard both GK coaches names in Ward and Annerson, but didn't see or hear his name mentioned

Not sure if I heard it correctly from whom I was speaking to, but I construed it as he left yesterday and this is from someone at the club so I've no reason to doubt him

 

[Lee Baxter]

I've heard the Man Utd rumour on the Manchester end today - rumour was that he's going in to aid Nicky Butt on the administrative side of things. Take it with a pinch of salt obviously but it sounds reasonable.

 

[Blade58]

I've heard the Man Utd rumour on the Manchester end today - rumour was that he's going in to aid Nicky Butt on the administrative side of things. Take it with a pinch of salt obviously but it sounds reasonable.

and believe it or not LB, that's exactly what was said last night

 

[s4-blade]

He's shite anyway

 

[Barney]

He's not exactly been pulling up any trees recently, has he? There has been a noticeable drop in quality coming through the academy. Probably a good thing as it will hopefully allow for someone with fresh ideas to be appointed.

 

[Blade58]

Personally, I don't know how good or badly he performed in his role. What I will say is that contrary to what you say Barney, there does appear to be another crop of promising young lads coming through. Yesterdays half time mention of Ramsdale turning out for England backs that up. The only player in the England team from outside the premier league. Furthermore, the person I spoke to last night who is at the club, was complimentary towards Cox. Lastly, he's done that poorly that he's been appointed to one of the largest clubs in Europe (if true of course) on a salary we can only dream of, relative to be an academy manager that is.

 

[Barney]

Personally, I don't know how good or badly he performed in his role. What I will say is that contrary to what you say Barney, there does appear to be another crop of promising young lads coming through.

Maybe so, but we ain't seem 'em yet. All we've seen are players that generally don't seem to be capable of the step up. DCL, Reed, Dimaio (released), McFadzean as well as the rest of the batch that got released. It doesn't look good.

 

[Large Mendonca]

Am I missing something, or are the U18s and U21s performing really well as of late ????

 

[Blade58]

Maybe so, but we ain't seem 'em yet. All we've seen are players that generally don't seem to be capable of the step up. DCL, Reed, Dimaio (released), McFadzean as well as the rest of the batch that got released. It doesn't look good.

But he's been there for 3 years. The players you quote where already 15, 16 and 17 when he arrived and as a consequence Cox probably never had the opportunity to fully influence their development.

Now it appears there may be this younger crop of players coming through that Cox's 3 years at the club have had an influence over?

And Barney, to add to LM's post, aren't some of the u18's and/or some of the u21's players a fair bit younger than the age group they are representing?

 

[Barney]

Am I missing something, or are the U18s and U21s performing really well as of late ????

But he's been there for 3 years. The players you quote where already 15, 16 and 17 when he arrived and as a consequence Cox probably never had the opportunity to fully influence their development.

Now it appears there may be this younger crop of players coming through that Cox's 3 years at the club have had an influence over?

And Barney, to add to LM's post, aren't some of the u18's and/or some of the u21's players a fair bit younger than the age group they are representing?

I see what you're saying, but to laud is to see tangible substance. It's like anything, chances mean nothing without goals. Performance means nothing without results. The substance here would be for these so called promising players to come through and do it for the first team. It's better than playing shit don't get me wrong but in terms of the club and where it needs to go, it means absolutely nothing while they're in the U18, U21's. When there's something to show for it, I'll happily praise. As it is it means the grand square root of precisely fuck all to me.

 

[Large Mendonca]

I see what you're saying, but to laud is to see substance. It's like anything, chances mean nothing without goals. Performance means nothing without results. The substance here would be for these so called promising players to come through and do it for the first team. It means nothing while they're in the U18, U21's. When there's something to show for it, I'll happily praise. As it is it means the grand square root of precisely fuck all to me.

....so we have some promising youngsters coming through, who are doing all they can at the level they are competing, and by results, they are doing it very well. We'll see in the next 2/3/4 years if they make the grade.

 

[Blade58]

I'm not lauding Barney, merely defending him by showing both sides of the coin

You are dismissing him because at the moment we don't have any outstanding prospects. All I'm saying is for there to be any outstanding prospects from Cox's tenure, they may be too young to show just yet

Also, the academy now has the added problem, as posted by NPFIT, that the CAT 1 academies are "stealing" our brightest prospects. Hasn't he said 3 have been nicked recently?

 

[nopigfansintown]

Our under 18 and under 21 teams are largely made up of players that could play in the age group below. The fact that they are playing against bigger and stronger players and still winning, is a huge credit to Nick Cox and his staff. The style of football they play is well worth going to watch, not to mention the results. If Nick has decided to move on, I'd be hugely concerned about the direction the club is taking with the academy. Newton Heath would seem a huge attraction, but unless he's been given the big gig, the head honcho role at United could well be seen as the more attractive role (if we have plans to keep the academy flourishing).

 

[alcoblade]

Am I missing something, or are the U18s and U21s performing really well as of late ????

Good point, but it's not about good teams, it's about exceptional individuals. They are the ones who will progress to make it.

There are plenty of successful youth teams that have failed to deliver any long term talent.

UTB

 

[Ben_1982]

Hope this isn't true, but know he is in contention for the DOF position with us!

 

[Ricky]

The absence of any outstanding young players in the first team right now is no proof that the academy manager isn't doing a good job.

 

[Barney]

I'm not lauding Barney, merely defending him by showing both sides of the coin

You are dismissing him because at the moment we don't have any outstanding prospects. All I'm saying is for there to be any outstanding prospects from Cox's tenure, they may be too young to show just yet

Also, the academy now has the added problem, as posted by NPFIT, that the CAT 1 academies are "stealing" our brightest prospects. Hasn't he said 3 have been nicked recently?

I wasn't dismissing him. I was suggesting that the players that have come through under his reign don't look like they're going to make the grade so far. The other point being that any good performances in the U18, U21 etc. remain useless until there is something to show for it in the form of prospects in the first team.

 

[Large Mendonca]

I wasn't dismissing him. I was suggesting that the players that have come through under his reign don't look like they're going to make the grade so far. The other point being that any good performances in the U18, U21 etc. remain useless until there is something to show for it in the form of prospects in the first team.

Useless ??

It's not part of their development then ?

 

[Barney]

Useless ??

It's not part of their development then ?

Of course it is part of their development, but any good performances do remain useless until there is something to show for it in the first team. You seem to be suggesting that I'm saying the two are mutually exclusive, and I'm not.

 

[Large Mendonca]

Of course it is part of their development, but any good performances do remain useless until there is something to show for it in the first team. You seem to be suggesting that I'm saying the two are mutually exclusive, and I'm not.

It could be that we agree, I just wouldn't have used the word "useless"

I think you mean "does not guarantee the player will produce this level of performance at first team level"

 

[Silent Blade]

I wasn't dismissing him. I was suggesting that the players that have come through under his reign don't look like they're going to make the grade so far. The other point being that any good performances in the U18, U21 etc. remain useless until there is something to show for it in the form of prospects in the first team.

Agree I remember Dave Bassett saying in the Star that a strong youth team who win a lot of matches doesnt always produce a player good enough for the first team like it happened at Wimbledon but at another season he had a waek youth team that were conceding a lot of goals every week and Brian Gayle was part of that team but he had a long football career mostly in the top division

 

[BeatleBlade]

If this is true I hope it's because he's gotten an offer from a top club rather than the club turning it's back on the academy. That would be a disaster.

 

[alcoblade]

If this is true I hope it's because he's gotten an offer from a top club rather than the club turning it's back on the academy. That would be a disaster.

It wouldn't.

UTB

 

[Sirius]

It wouldn't.

UTB

Panto time. "Oh yes it would."

 

[yamyamblade]

Had it confirmed by 2 different sources but in reality not sure what success could be apportioned to him, another rumour is that the budget for next season has been lowered which I am not surprised.
Older age groups won't be affected but when the likes of U9s to U11s are going on European tours etc the costs soon mount up and majority of these lads will be released before they get to U12s as it seems to be the SUFC way at this age to have large squads and release a large percentage of these each season.

 

[frechyblade]

Had it confirmed by someone who knows the setup at the academy well. They also said the Nick Cox doesn't do any of the coaching, his role was purely around the administration of the academy. It is this role that he is taking up at Man Ure.

UTB

 

[Blade58]

This is almost confirmation:

http://www.squawka.com/news/manches...cademy-manager-to-work-with-nicky-butt/643301

 

[Enigmatic]

Shame to see him go, hopefully we can continue running things in the same way. I just hope he doesn't decide to poach some of our better prospects.