500k for adams

[Yossarian]

...And as for bringing on youth - I've just had a quick scan of Donny's squad. From 1 - 15 (I lost interest at that point) there is not one home grown player. So we also have no evidence that he's the man to expand, integrate and make a success of our academy. The more I look, the less convinced and more bemused I am.

UTB

You do have to admit though, if the Rovers don't have an academy, and the youth players are shit, then he has no reason to promote youth.

 

[lenners]

Do we seriously have fans dissing the huge increase in support and rise up the leagues of Doncaster Rovers?

 

[Micalijo]

Do we seriously have fans dissing the huge increase in support and rise up the leagues of Doncaster Rovers?

Looks like it yes - Alco you need to get back on here and explain yer sen!! Too much festive imbibing is no excuse.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

What I find strange is that as the club was spunking millions of pounds on overseas property ventures and hotels, you were backing them to the hilt. You managed to conjure some deal whereby apparently we couldn't lose from the hotel, some sort of money press. Now we're suffering the consequences of those decisions (lower division managers), you're placing unrealistic demands on the hierarchy to explain in intricate detail why we may have lost a target and thereby completely undermine the actual appointment, when it comes.

I believed the board when they stated that and if only we were considering lower division managers. I also believed Birch with what he said at the last BIFF meeting and thought he was making decisions to change the club, if we appoint Adams this is highly unlikely and is like the start of the season where Blackwell had been told to play more attractive football.
If Adams comes in stuff Birch has been saying behind closed doors and to BIFF is bullshit and I have a problem with that.
We're considering a manager from the lowest professional division. No problem if he was an upcoming manager with something to prove, but he's already proven he isn't good enough at Championship level. Appointing Adams isn't due to the financial position with 500K payoff we could get most of the managers who should have been on the shortlist. The cheep option would be Carver, but thankfully I think recent results might have ensured that was never an option.

Earlier you mentioned that I'd be agreeing with Len and Mica, the difference between me and them is I'd be happy to be wrong because it would be better for the club but appointing Adams goes against what Birch has been claiming he wanted to do.

 

[Micalijo]

Not entirely sure what you're last sentence is about Robert but I 100% agree that appointing Adams is totally against what Birch has been claiming he wanted to do - hence why I am genuinely pissed off at what is happening and at failure to get SOD - although I aint given up hope yet.

By the way - I think McCabe and then Birch should have kept a much tighter control of how Blackwell spent his still considerable budget. Namely, no loans, buy some youngsters on low wages and coach em.

 

[alcoblade]

Alco, why are you hagning everything on the fact he got a promotion with a newly-relegated club that rinsed all it's debts out 8 years ago? Why is such a gifted individual bimbling around a bankrupt club in Burslem?

Is he really worth 500k compo when we cant afford that on a player?

Missed this one, sorry. I'm not excited about any of the prospects. We've blown all the money and we're broke. Many, including Bob, were applauding along as this all took place. Now accepting that we're skint we have to accept the pool we're fishing in. Adams is as good a choice as any that's in that pool, that's all.

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Just the ten fold increase and three promotions in a decade for Doncaster then. Ha ha ha they're so shit.

I take it you're talking to the invisible man here? Nobody has made that point....

10,000 gates in the championship does not remotely back up a case of people flockng to watch SO'D's football. That's all.


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You do have to admit though, if the Rovers don't have an academy, and the youth players are shit, then he has no reason to promote youth.

Some people seem to have made a strong association between O'Driscol and the emphasis on the academy that we're planning to make. I'm saying there is no case for this. He MIGHT be the man. So MIGHT many others.

UTB

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Who's talking about the academy we are going to make I'm talking about the one that is there now.

I thought at the time investing in the hotel and property would have been a long term gain for the club, very few people saw the last recession coming I apologise for not being one of them.

You say we can only fish for Adams yet we would have to pay £500K compensation, I would suggest that quite a few better managers (I named them earlier) would be obtainable for that figure.
Adams has no record worth appointing him for, that is the one point you keep dodging while brining up Leicester as some sort of success which it wasn't. For that sort of compensation I want someone who is a proven good manager, Adams has failed everywhere which is why is currently managing in the lowest professional tier.

There are at least 6 managers I could name (see above) that have better recent records than Adams and he has never played attractive football. We only have a few Vale fans saying that now, and again as I pointed out previously this is at a level where Jack Lester is king. Hardly a great endorsement for our job.

Its quite easy to see Adams appointment, hoofball, a further fall in season tickets, a further reduction of the wage bill including the sale of players.

 

[alcoblade]

Who's talking about the academy we are going to make I'm talking about the one that is there now.

I thought at the time investing in the hotel and property would have been a long term gain for the club, very few people saw the last recession coming I apologise for not being one of them.

You say we can only fish for Adams yet we would have to pay £500K compensation, I would suggest that quite a few better managers (I named them earlier) would be obtainable for that figure.
Adams has no record worth appointing him for, that is the one point you keep dodging while brining up Leicester as some sort of success which it wasn't. For that sort of compensation I want someone who is a proven good manager, Adams has failed everywhere which is why is currently managing in the lowest professional tier.

There are at least 6 managers I could name (see above) that have better recent records than Adams and he has never played attractive football. We only have a few Vale fans saying that now, and again as I pointed out previously this is at a level where Jack Lester is king. Hardly a great endorsement for our job.

Its quite easy to see Adams appointment, hoofball, a further fall in season tickets, a further reduction of the wage bill including the sale of players.

I'm talking about the same academy. There's no evidence that SOD can make great use of an academy, that's all.

Nobody saw the recession coming.......not quite true. It was pretty obvious that loading up on property debt after such a bull run on it wasn't sensible. McCabe admits those mistakes, fair enough. Now he can write off the debt he'd landed us with. But you were so blinded with faith that you seemed desperate to believe that these deals were no lose, as per the Hotel deal. Now you've lost such faith you're placing, to me, silly demands about disclosing who said what and when.

The £500K for Adams seems about as likely as a Blades win at Old Trafford to me. It's been grasped by those who cearly don't want Adams.

You put much more (too much for me) emphasis on "recent" form than I do. A season or two in management is just as likely to be a fluke. That's why I like managers who've done it several times, hence Adams. He has his critics and his negatives. They all do. I believe his teams have generally been more pretty to watch than Bassett, Warnock / Blackwell's, but I wouldn't put him in the same bracket as SOD, clearly.

Unlike you, I don't see a huge drive to move from one extreme to the other, though I can see some logic. I'd be very happy (given our circumstances) to land SOD. In fact, if we rewind, he was my first choice. I just can't froth at the mouth that we haven't landed him. And back to the original point, the club publicly explaining, as you demand, why they failed and why we've got second best is just plain silly.

Fans will return on winning football, not total football. Those who say otherwise are bullshitting, amongst the ranks who would only return when Blackwell left.

UTB

 

[blades1889]

would you want micky adams tho?

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

I'm talking about the same academy. There's no evidence that SOD can make great use of an academy, that's all.

Nobody saw the recession coming.......not quite true. It was pretty obvious that loading up on property debt after such a bull run on it wasn't sensible. McCabe admits those mistakes, fair enough. Now he can write off the debt he'd landed us with. But you were so blinded with faith that you seemed desperate to believe that these deals were no lose, as per the Hotel deal. Now you've lost such faith you're placing, to me, silly demands about disclosing who said what and when.

Well part of his losses have been rolled up in the latest share issue/buy back but I guess what you are asking for is him to write it all off officially. Personally I don't think he will do this because if someone buys the club outright he wants his money back.

The £500K for Adams seems about as likely as a Blades win at Old Trafford to me. It's been grasped by those who cearly don't want Adams.

Agreed it is an easy stick to beat him with, but I don't think he is the cheap option. Not compared with some who are out of work.

You put much more (too much for me) emphasis on "recent" form than I do. A season or two in management is just as likely to be a fluke. That's why I like managers who've done it several times, hence Adams. He has his critics and his negatives. They all do. I believe his teams have generally been more pretty to watch than Bassett, Warnock / Blackwell's, but I wouldn't put him in the same bracket as SOD, clearly.

I just don't see where he has had success several times. I think he fell lucky with Leicester being able to keep his squad together and righting off all debts and I think there is a reason that he is in the lowest tier.
It really isn't anything personal against the man, but I think this is a very important decision for United and there are at least 6 managers who have better shout at the job than him.
It seems he is being pushed up the list because he is a Blade and I just don't think that should be a factor.

Unlike you, I don't see a huge drive to move from one extreme to the other, though I can see some logic. I'd be very happy (given our circumstances) to land SOD. In fact, if we rewind, he was my first choice. I just can't froth at the mouth that we haven't landed him. And back to the original point, the club publicly explaining, as you demand, why they failed and why we've got second best is just plain silly.

I'm not frothing at the mouth at not getting SoD, I think it would be quite a coup. But I do have an issue with Adams being second on the list when his record doesn't deserve him to be.
I've also not asked for a statement explaining why they failed, just that SoD is no longer part of the process. The only statement from the club so far was that we wouldn't appoint before Jan and Birch's statement which quite clearly identified SoD as his target. This raised the fans expectations on this particular point, and if this is no longer the case then they should say so.
I would quantify this by saying I don't think we are in this position just yet, but if SoD has said he isn't interested we should say so. As he hasn't been offered the job no one will/has been second choice.

Fans will return on winning football, not total football. Those who say otherwise are bullshitting, amongst the ranks who would only return when Blackwell left.

UTB

Then I'm bullshitting. I think a certain number would return to watch Blackwell get us into the playoffs but I think there is a real change amongst the older fans who want something more.
I don't think we would get back to 25,000 in this league even if we were in the playoff positions unless the playing style had altered from Blackwells hoof.

I believed and bought into Birch's comments about the direction he thought the club needed to go, I agreed with him even if it meant making big decisions with longer term aims. If he backs out on these decisions then his comments are nothing but hot air, which is an area which I have defended our board on numerous occasions. That is why I would want to know who had made this decisions and if Birch has been overruled by McCabe.
I believed in Birchs vision for United, and if he has been blowing smoke up peoples arse I think they have a right to question it. I already know a couple of members in BIFF are watching developments carefully and are going to jump on this if he does backtrack on what he stated in their meetings. I believe he came across very well in these meeting, very blunt, strong opinions on where we should be going and how we should do it. I think he won a few people over for being honest and upfront, if the then bombs out on the biggest decisions of all he is going to get called on it.