Media's View On The Depature Of Clough

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All the expected naivety from the national journalists. Yes it looks harsh given where we were after Weir when simply looking at league positions and cup runs. They obviously have not bothered to research what's really been going on, how we're actually moving backwards (worse points ratio under cloth this station), playing style, bad man management, huge budget etc etc. They wouldn't be saying it's ridiculous if Chelsea sacked mourinho for finishing 5th having fallen out with all his centre backs and spent 3 times more than any other team in the league.
 
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They all have a valid point looking from outside in . The thing is , none of them watch , eat , and drink , SUFC , each and every day . The cup runs have slanted the views and opinions of the media.

The board , for the first time in decades , have had the bottle to sack a manager , when the easy way out would have been to stay as we are.

Tactics , finances , trust are the main issues . Yes , Clough is a man of principles , but sometimes when you are not flexible , you can sometimes fall on your sword.

There is only one winner , and thats the board. A bit like Dammed United.

UTB
 
Another bad day for the SUFC PR department this year although I don't think a lot of journalists know anymore than the basic facts of him doing better than Weir. While he did fail the number 1 target I personally would have kept him until Christmas at least given everything he has done.
However, there must be more to this than meets the eye.
 
Lazy juno's :mad: how many of the shite 61 matches full of boring negative tactics did they sit through. Scared of the name, big budget, massive resources and support = 4 wins in last 17 games well done SUFC

How can they defend a manager who can't put a basic team structure together with the resource he had?
 
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Lord Bos of Eckington. said:
They all have a valid point looking from outside in . The thing is , none of them watch , eat , and drink , SUFC , each and every day . The cup runs have slanted the views and opinions of the media.

The board , for the first time in decades , have had the bottle to sack a manager , when the easy way out would have been to stay as we are.

Tactics , finances , trust are the main issues . Yes , Clough is a man of principles , but sometimes when you are not flexible , you can sometimes fall on your sword.

There is only one winner , and thats the board. A bit like Dammed United.

UTB
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Otoh they have a bigger picture view.
 
itsinyerblood said:
In pure stat terms, sacking a manager with a 60% win ratio is going to be hard to impossible to better.
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He had a 23% win rate over the latter part of the season when it counted, going to be easy to improve on that once we've cleared some terrible signings and put a basic team structure in place. 28 points off Bristol and 21 off relegation
 

William Henry Foulkes said:
Is that his win ratio? I thought it was hovering at ~50% and dipped with a poor run at the end of the season.
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Now you've thrown me WHF, but it wasn't that long ago that NC's record was around the 60% mark. Let's say, for the purposes of agreement, that it's now around 50%, that's still good. Of course there's also the points total to consider, but I'm just a tad underwhelmed by today's events. That will soon pass, and whoever is appointer as Clough's successor, please, no Parkinson, needs to have something about him to lift everyone.
 
itsinyerblood said:
Now you've thrown me WHF, but it wasn't that long ago that NC's record was around the 60% mark. Let's say, for the purposes of agreement, that it's now around 50%, that's still good. Of course there's also the points total to consider, but I'm just a tad underwhelmed by today's events. That will soon pass, and whoever is appointer as Clough's successor, please, no Parkinson, needs to have something about him to lift everyone.
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Just started listening to FH. They cite stats that it was ~56.67%* - by far the best since Warnock. Archie Clarke in the 50s is the most recent one with a better ratio (which is a bit confusing given what they say about Warnock)

9th manager in 8 years. :(

*Which you can round up to 60% if you want to be generous.
 
I bet most of those reporters haven't watched us play any games and only looked at the league one table for the first time today. To say "what has footballs come to" is the shocking, it amazes me how every journalist believes that every manager is a Alex Ferguson.

Yes Nigel did well at this club but obviously, the board weren't happy with him or his coaching staff and I honestly believe he wasted most of his transfer and wage budget on players he couldn't get a long with for pathetic reasons such as Andy butler who if we kept we could of had a better season. Additionally signing a very unfit Higdon.

If you ask me he deserved to go.

His tactics were negative which would be fine in the premier league and is a reason why we did so well in the cup.

However to get out of league 1 you need attacking tactics and a strong defence. Two things which he had many chances to sort out but inside decided to get another midfielder

I was shocked to see him go but wasn't disappointed and I am actually now looking forward to next season because I can't wait to see the hopefully positive changes.
 
William Henry Foulkes said:
Just started listening to FH. They cite stats that it was ~56.67%* - by far the best since Warnock. Archie Clarke in the 50s is the most recent one with a better ratio (which is a bit confusing given what they say about Warnock)

9th manager in 8 years. :(

*Which you can round up to 60% if you want to be generous.
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It was no where near that. His win ratio was worse than Wilson.
On 1 hand I struggle to think past the Fleetwood game but I did enjoy the first half at Wembley and seeing us score.
 
Great that they played Jim Phipps' interview quote about not changing manager every season before the start of the phone-in. This highlights how baffling the decision is to many. I can only assume that there was a big bust-up yesterday, as several callers alluded to.
 
Didn't say they would. But the audience for members of S2 4SU is considerably smaller than for Mr Murphy and other journalists. For what it is worth I fear we will be back in the same place in 12 - 18 months, either when promotion is not achieved or we struggle to establish ourselves in the Championship. Also I despair of some of the comments I have seen on about 'a style of play that will never suit this club' when seeking to justify this sacking.
 
Dkc said:
Great that they played Jim Phipps' interview quote about not changing manager every season before the start of the phone-in. This highlights how baffling the decision is to many. I can only assume that there was a big bust-up yesterday, as several callers alluded to.
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I can't get my head around the presenters of this show. If I was talking to someone who watched/knew the subject in question way more than me I wouldn't be quite as arrogant in dismissing their views. Staton in particular was a bit of a broken record banging on about the number of managers we have got through since Warnock. So, what? If it has stopped working, change it. Simple as. I was happy when we appointed Clough and I think the right decision has been made to get rid. Clough ultimately failed, there's only so much the board can do once a manager has been appointed.
 

Nigel clough toy see why he went, so so so negative and you can see that in his last interview, the problem wasn't brayfors being injured, we had half a season without him. The problem for me was the organisation of the defence and not playing a recognised center back
 
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