Incoming? Phil Jones - coaching staff

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DifferentClass said:
Never forget Moose putting him on his arse.
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Moose pretty much ended his career at MU that day, From memory, Jones got hooked at half time and didn’t play much after that game, he certainly didn’t start many. It brings a tear to my eye to think of how Moose wasted his talent. If he had Iliman’s attitude, what a player he could have been.
 
Withington Blade said:
Moose pretty much ended his career at MU that day, From memory, Jones got hooked at half time and didn’t play much after that game, he certainly didn’t start many. It brings a tear to my eye to think of how Moose wasted his talent. If he had Iliman’s attitude, what a player he could have been.
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Sadly that was Mousset’s best 60 mins of his entire career. He was unplayable for that hour. What a waste of talent. He should have been a Premier League striker for his whole career. Silly lad.
 



YES Blade said:
It’s all relative. With the squad we’re likely to have next season, 92 points would be fantastic.

With the squad we had and the position we were in, it was a failure. We threw away both automatic and the playoffs.
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I'd agree that we threw away automatic. But the play-off final was out of our hands. We played well enough to win and had a perfectly good goal disallowed. We threw away automatic but were robbed in the playoffs
 
UddersBlade said:
Sadly that was Mousset’s best 60 mins of his entire career. He was unplayable for that hour. What a waste of talent. He should have been a Premier League striker for his whole career. Silly lad.
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Being a silly lad didn’t really come into it. He was a very troubled person. Unfortunately, a lot of that sort of stuff doesn’t get sorted out until much later in life. Tragic, really.
 
Dkc said:
I'd agree that we threw away automatic. But the play-off final was out of our hands. We played well enough to win and had a perfectly good goal disallowed. We threw away automatic but were robbed in the playoffs
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I know this has long gone in terms of conversation, from my side of things VAR shouldn't have been in place or shouldn't be in place for any playoff finals, unless you bring the same standards into every game then don't do it at all, the assistant referee should be picking that up and if he can't see a near side offside decision then the goal should be given but regarding the goal regardless if they had to look at VAR for it they are looking for 1 of 2 things,
1) Was in this case Souza in a offside position when the ball was played by Burrows, answer is yes
2) Was Souza Interfering with an opponent: by... Blocking an opponent's line of sight Less Likely, challenging them for the ball Potentially, or preventing them from playing the ball Potentially

As the screenshot shows when Burrows plays the ball Souza's is in an offside position with his body pointing in the direction of the keeper, it makes it more likely to be look like he is going to be in the way of the keeper. The Laws of the Game are very subjective and probably written as vaguely as possibly as it's about justification from an officials point of view, from the black and white facts, nobody can argue that Souza is not in an offside position as he is behind the 2nd to last defender in front of the ball when it is played. The rest of the statements are then down to interpretation, the actual one the referee ruled it out for was "Blocking an opponent's line of sight" in this case the Keeper, which for me personally I would disagree that Souza, is doing that as he is almost behind him and if anything his own player is blocking the view of the shot. I could actually buy into the fact of challenging the ball or preventing them from playing the ball more due to Souza's body positioning.

The problem is when you are in an offside position you run the risk of these decisions going against you, by reviewing that clip again, what I can't quite understand from Souza is his positional awareness. The corner is cleared by a Sunderland player at the centre of the box, Souza is in a group of players ready to compete for the ball at the back post, for some reason he decides to not only to stay behind the group, as they all rush out due to Burrows lining up the volley but he runs an almost U turn around the back of them into the 6 yard box, if he ran the other way or had continued running with the group of players he was originally with, he wouldn't have been caught up in the offside decision. The active players part of the Laws of the Game makes it very easy to be able to situational aware and get yourself in a position, he had 2 options as "exit routes" either sprint with the group that he was already with or if he had to peel away, his U-turn should have been to his right which would have taken him away from goal. Either way I don't think the keeper is stopping the shot but he should have been thinking about the potential for offside.
 

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Blade56 said:
Mark my words if we aren’t int top 6 by Christmas Wilder will be out and Jones’s in as manager until end of season then…….
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Imagine the interview:

Bettis: So, how do you think you'll do in the new role?
Jones: Well I want us to get promoted - that's what drives me as a professional.
Bettis: OK, how about this as a little incentive: If we're doing really well, nothing happens. But if we're doing badly, then we'll promote you and give you a pay rise.
 
LBA_Blade said:
I know this has long gone in terms of conversation, from my side of things VAR shouldn't have been in place or shouldn't be in place for any playoff finals, unless you bring the same standards into every game then don't do it at all, the assistant referee should be picking that up and if he can't see a near side offside decision then the goal should be given but regarding the goal regardless if they had to look at VAR for it they are looking for 1 of 2 things,
1) Was in this case Souza in a offside position when the ball was played by Burrows, answer is yes
2) Was Souza Interfering with an opponent: by... Blocking an opponent's line of sight Less Likely, challenging them for the ball Potentially, or preventing them from playing the ball Potentially

As the screenshot shows when Burrows plays the ball Souza's is in an offside position with his body pointing in the direction of the keeper, it makes it more likely to be look like he is going to be in the way of the keeper. The Laws of the Game are very subjective and probably written as vaguely as possibly as it's about justification from an officials point of view, from the black and white facts, nobody can argue that Souza is not in an offside position as he is behind the 2nd to last defender in front of the ball when it is played. The rest of the statements are then down to interpretation, the actual one the referee ruled it out for was "Blocking an opponent's line of sight" in this case the Keeper, which for me personally I would disagree that Souza, is doing that as he is almost behind him and if anything his own player is blocking the view of the shot. I could actually buy into the fact of challenging the ball or preventing them from playing the ball more due to Souza's body positioning.

The problem is when you are in an offside position you run the risk of these decisions going against you, by reviewing that clip again, what I can't quite understand from Souza is his positional awareness. The corner is cleared by a Sunderland player at the centre of the box, Souza is in a group of players ready to compete for the ball at the back post, for some reason he decides to not only to stay behind the group, as they all rush out due to Burrows lining up the volley but he runs an almost U turn around the back of them into the 6 yard box, if he ran the other way or had continued running with the group of players he was originally with, he wouldn't have been caught up in the offside decision. The active players part of the Laws of the Game makes it very easy to be able to situational aware and get yourself in a position, he had 2 options as "exit routes" either sprint with the group that he was already with or if he had to peel away, his U-turn should have been to his right which would have taken him away from goal. Either way I don't think the keeper is stopping the shot but he should have been thinking about the potential for offside.
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You’ve made me sad again now seeing that photo. Such a sliding doors moment..

I still think they shouldn’t be checking the goal when there is nothing clear and obvious wrong with it. Not one person in the stadium appealed or saw anything wrong with it in real time.
 
Danetheblade said:
That shit they made us look bang average for 45 minutes lol. Take the rose tinted glasses off Stevie.
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At Wembley. ?
They looked terrified of us until an hour into.the game when we lost players to injury
Take off the shit coloured spectacles please
If I hated United as much as you id find something else to do
 



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