United 0 Millwall 1 - report/ratings

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Dkc said:
I don't think we would go down with Cooper or Dyche either but they won't come to us and we can't afford them. If we replace Selles it will likely be with someone like Chalinnor at Stockport or Warne at MK Dons.
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We are just shelling out nearly £10 million for a centre half . There is money available. Why would they not come,we are a big enough club,in and out of the premiership,some good players that need shaping,good academy,good stadium,great support when on an upwards trend.
 

HOT CURRIE 10 said:
We are just shelling out nearly £10 million for a centre half . There is money available. Why would they not come,we are a big enough club,in and out of the premiership,some good players that need shaping,good academy,good stadium,great support when on an upwards trend.
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They're as likely to come to us as West Brom, Derby or Norwich.
 
Excellent report Deadbat. Pretty much spot on unfortunately. I'm just worried by waiting and giving Selles more time we are digging a bigger hole to get out of. I really have had difficulty understanding him at interviews, and tbh I think maybe the players have the same issue in training. He is uninspiring almost depressive when he speaks.
 
Addison said:
Agree we were dire for 70 minutes, not helped by the manager making only 1 change in this period. Wall could have won by more. You may as well have played the video of last seasons Wall win at the Lane. They did exactly the same. It was so easy. Use Coburn as a battering ram to unsettle the defenders, hit it long towards our weak area on the left. Turn us around at kick off. Kick, niggle keep it up in the air in the middle. We looked as clueless as we did last season. Do we employ any match analysts ffs.

The decision to drop Soumare handed Wall the initiative. His physicality in the middle alone would have made a difference. Selles needs to explain this although I suspect it is his intransigence in refusing to adapt and change formation that was behind his decision. We waited 80 minutes to bring on our second and third subs. No evidence throughout the game we were looking to change shape.

I try to be objective but everything about yesterdays performance tells me hes lost the players already. They're not bought into the system, if there is one. The job is too big for him. Hes not been helped by the owners inability to change the off field structure as we continue to lumber along in recruitment. If ever a manager needed a football man in the role of Sporting Director for some advice it is now.

What is alarming is the lack of desire and motivation shown by the players. Whether we like it or not players get managers the sack and this lot are doing their best to get rid of him in record time.

The fault lies solely with the Board. In taking such a crucial decision to part ways with the popular CW they should have anticipated the new man would need considerable support. That should have included bringing in a DOF to oversee the change and get hold of recruitment and contracts. It just hasnt happened and the sorry mess we are in after only 4 games is 100% down to them. We never see or hear from them as they continue to pursue their ostrich approach to communication. There will have to be a point soon where they will have to come out from behind the settee. The protests towards the Directors box will get more vociferous as will calls for them to go if we continue in this fashion.

Top class organisations make difficult decisions rapidly where reputation and revenue are affected. Ive had jobs with 2 leading companies and we have not hesitated to move on managers and directors within days when they have shown they are out of their depth. I'm afraid this is where we are heading with Rueben Selles. Better to admit the error immediately and get on with finding a suitable replacement. Its an additional cost but the cost of League 1 is far greater. Gary O'Neil come on down(said in jest but it wouldnt surprise me).
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Some excellent points.

The Board and Manager are rightly getting all the flak but you are right to highlight the players who are looking a spinless bunch.

Selles may not be imparting his vision nor may his tactics be working but the players can still run around and win tackles. We are standing off when we don't have it andcwhen we have it the whole team is motionless.

Going back to directors box, I was aghast that those in ties almost seemed flabbergasted at the fans going down and shouting comments at them as they exited. Both Shieber and Bettis looked really shocked at the fact there was noise coming towards them.

Interesting these current owners seem to attend about as many games as the previous one. Seems like we are just one of many pet projects they probably all have. I'm not convinced they will be here very long and the cycle starts again. What a total mess it is.
 
whats point of playing players out of position you have fast right winger in ukaki on the bench and soumare a midfielder in souza mould so why play peck and cannon out of position its crazy im beginning to not like your style you axe AL players you say are ok but we never see them you never play them your clueless man get a grip or youll never win ffs get gone you yanks your crapo
 
youve lost the dressing room its plain to see they dont want to play your style of chaos football the defence is poor we are terrible all over it needs to improve looks like they dont like you the heads are down its toxic arguing all the time on the pitch get job done and win,stuff owners they made this mess
 
Deadbat said:
Some excellent points.

The Board and Manager are rightly getting all the flak but you are right to highlight the players who are looking a spinless bunch.

Selles may not be imparting his vision nor may his tactics be working but the players can still run around and win tackles. We are standing off when we don't have it andcwhen we have it the whole team is motionless.

Going back to directors box, I was aghast that those in ties almost seemed flabbergasted at the fans going down and shouting comments at them as they exited. Both Shieber and Bettis looked really shocked at the fact there was noise coming towards them.

Interesting these current owners seem to attend about as many games as the previous one. Seems like we are just one of many pet projects they probably all have. I'm not convinced they will be here very long and the cycle starts again. What a total mess it is.
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The protests are only going to get worse the longer the owner and Board members opt to disconnect themselves from the supporters. If he's any sense Bettis should have been on the phone to the co owners immediately following the game. A de brief at Board level is required which may necessitate the dreaded vote of confidence. At least it will be something compared to the void that currently exists. The owners are in danger of being cast as Nero fiddling while all around burns if they are not seen to be providing some reassurance that they are on top of the situation. A pro active board reviews the managers targets in the light of performance. One of them may be you've got until the International break although that is still 6 more league games away, we could be adrift by then. Some form of response will go along way to damping down the growing angst against COH.
 
Addison said:
The protests are only going to get worse the longer the owner and Board members opt to disconnect themselves from the supporters. If he's any sense Bettis should have been on the phone to the co owners immediately following the game. A de brief at Board level is required which may necessitate the dreaded vote of confidence. At least it will be something compared to the void that currently exists. The owners are in danger of being cast as Nero fiddling while all around burns if they are not seen to be providing some reassurance that they are on top of the situation. A pro active board reviews the managers targets in the light of performance. One of them may be you've got until the International break although that is still 6 more league games away, we could be adrift by then. Some form of response will go along way to damping down the growing angst against COH.
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I would not have got rid of Wilder.
But as they say, we are where we are. I'd give Seles a bit more time but I think the die is cast, mainly because we don't have the players to fit his preferred system.
Just as an aside, I wonder if they used AI, whatever it really is? in picking Seles?
As I see it now we seemed to be governed by Committee which explains why decisions take far too long. The price of any player we're interested in has now gone up - and that's if the player actually fancies a battle, but if he does then he'll do for me. AI should have foreseen that...
Fwiw I believe AI is a disaster.
Metric/stats on players are not new - been in since early 2000's.

Here is an interesting story-
Warnock managed Palace in a second spell in 2014/5. He needed a good CH. He told Simon Jordan that he'd scouted a bargain CH available from a Scottish Prem team for 3 million.
Leave it with me Neil says Jordan.
A few days later Jordan (who is a tec guru) said sorry Neil, we've run the stats and he's not fast enough and doesn't make enough tackles.
And that player was and is......
 
I stayed on John Street after the final whistle blew. At the final whistle, United players walked in front of the John Street stand toward the Kop. Then I heard loud booing.
I asked why they were booing the players. One guy pointed out that Selles was walking to the Kop, and he was getting booed quite loudly, not the players.
 
Deadbat said:
Cundle had an effort parried away from Cooper but the same man was celebrating soon after. The ball was turned forward and Millwall won the header and CUNDLE was not followed by Peck, and beat the offside trap and smartly turned past Cooper into the far corner. It had been a well-deserved lead for the away side who had been the far better side so far.
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He was offside, the linesman made a poor decision. I was bang on line and many sat near me agreed
 
Silent Blade said:
He was offside, the linesman made a poor decision. I was bang on line and many sat near me agreed
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We were bang on line also and thought he was a yard off,mate saw it at halftime and said he was on as Godfrey? played him on.
 
cooperblade said:
I don't agree with the criticism of Hamer. Does he look like he's sulking? Yeah I think so, at least a bit (as do a couple of others). Is his discipline (in terms of dissent etc) poor? Yes, as always. But does he look like his conditioning is poor and is he "waddling" around? Not for me. He's played 90 minutes in every league game so far and must be up there in terms of sprints and distance covered. I think 'fat, lazy Hamer who always comes off after an hour' became a thing last season even though the facts showed it wasn't true.

In the first weekend of the season, the excellent Fotmob app had physical data for all Premier League matches so you could see how far each player had run and how quickly. I would love to see that data for United games so we'd know once and for all if Gus just waddles around. I might well be mis-remembering when it was in the game but Hamer was still sprinting after a Cooper long throw long into the 2nd half. I also thought he was the catalyst for the more encouraging last 20-25 minutes and showed some character to drag us forward.

When Wilder was sacked, my main problem was the timing. In our last year of parachute payments, I thought short-term thinking was essential and we needed to go with the safest option. I did have a problem with the attacking fluidity Wilder managed to achieve and I was hopeful we'd tweak something behind the scenes to address this - whether that was the coaching staff or our approach to this element of the game. I wasn't thrilled to see us linked with the likes of Mepham but I was hopeful that we'd add some of the on-pitch nous that was so badly lacking in the last 20 minutes v Sunderland to complement what we had.

As I've reflected more, and obviously this is with the benefit of hindsight to some degree, I also now think we're a step behind in terms of what we think is the modern approach and the best way to do things. I think we're going to see more and more teams playing 4-4-2, more teams going direct at times to beat the press and we're already seeing the big number 9 coming back into fashion. I'm not saying we'd headed down that path last season because Chris Wilder is a forward thinking, football genius but I do think he'd seen a way of beating what a lot of teams (notably Bristol City) were doing and I thought there was a lot of promise in how we looked in that set up (particularly given our front two)

I also think that the vast majority of United fans would be shocked if they had an insight into the level and quality of some of the work that has been done behind the scenes at United. I think we, as a fanbase, look at two local lads in Heckingbottom and Wilder and just think it's all about passion and the United way but that's totally wrong. There were some incredibly modern thinking and approaches being used and there was an incredible depth of work in terms of player development and preparation. I read some of the stuff posted on here and on social media and the simplicity of thinking is just incredible really. A corner doesn't beat the first man so we must not work on set pieces. A striker misses a chance so the coaching is poor. I can think of one goal in particular that was the result of something the team had studied and worked on but I can pretty much guarantee that no-one (including me at the time) thought "wow, that's come from great preparation". I hope Wilder looks back with some regret on what happened after the Wednesday games and the Plymouth game because it's this sort of thing that stops him being taking as seriously as he deserves to be.

I know this sort of thing is being talked about on the highest level UEFA coaching courses and I do worry that we've jumped on a trend just as it's been found out and football is heading off in a different direction (as it always does). Of course, Selles might be thinking this and might be looking to change our style once he can get the players in - maybe he has it in him to become a modern, tactical manager who is also pragmatic like Thomas Frank. Yesterday's formation and side wasn't encouraging in that regard though.

I'd love to hear Selles explain (and maybe has somewhere, not caught up with any interviews yet) why he played Cannon on the right. I just can't see any logic or explanation as to why that might work. I wasn't pleased when we signed Cannon. Personally, I like strikers to have at least one stand-out physical attribute whether that's speed or strength or height and Cannon has none. I also struggled a bit with Billy Sharp for the same reason but he proved me wrong time and time again. Regardless of that, playing him on the right wing is just throwing him under the bus - what can he do from that position?

Our squad now looks full of holes, is lacking in both depth and quality and is horribly unbalanced. Not much that we've done has worked. When we looked to shore things up a bit at Swansea, we had no attacking threat and although yesterday we looked more balanced than we did v Bristol City, there were long spells when we were horribly poor.

I'm also struggling with the strategy of the club as a whole. If we're looking to bring in young players with potential and then sell them on for a profit, then why all the loans?

I would be against sacking Selles at this point. He's not been dealt a great hand by the board to say the least and it's early days. I also think we have had a couple of short spells in the two home games when we've looked good. I'd like him to bring in a more experienced, ex-player assistant manager but appreciate that would have to be someone he's comfortable working with and that might be difficult. I think if we end the window without a centre-back, a right winger, an athletic central midfielder and a striker coming in, we're going to continue to struggle.

I'd love the club to come out and explain the strategy but I don't think there's any obligation for them to do that - I'd just like to be reassured that there's a plan.

Very hard to think of a side which looks balanced and has the right people in the right places at the moment but I would like us to get someone up front with Campbell who looked totally isolated yesterday. 3-5-2 is completely out of fashion now although I think it would probably help a few of our players.

At this moment, it feels easier to envisage a downwards spiral than a serious promotion challenge. Some important days ahead.
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Superb observation Coops, still as astute as ever in your views.
My thoughts are very much along these lines but I don't have the verbal ability to set it down in the fluidity that you achieve.
 

Silent Blade said:
Your mate is wrong
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Looks really close. A few in the South Stand at HT said they saw replays that showed he was just onside (from the screens at the back near the press box) saying both Robinson and Godfrey played him on but they only showed one angle on TV above which is inconclusive amd this is just after the header so Cundle might be a bit further back when the contact was made. I am guessing they saw a different angle on the replay?
 
With respect, Silend Blade, I was in line from the John Street side. Unfortunately, he was not offside. People around me were saying he was onside. Some thought Robinson kept him onside.
 
Sheffsteel said:
Makes me wonder whether management style is playing a part.
Wilder was quite emotional, wore his heart on his sleeve, a good man manager and motivator.

Whereas Selles doesn’t show much emotion and has more of a monotone robot.

Maybe some players are finding the big difference in communication style to much of a culture shock
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I don’t know about lack of emotion. Sellout seems to be Mr angry on the sidelines all the time. He does those hand gestures and interchangeable finger thing, as if that communicates anything to the players. I’m convinced it’s more for show to the audience than for effect on the field.

I hate the way he’s draped in branded Blades gear. It just comes across to me as a corporate rah rah rah (lid) twat vibe. I’d prefer he wear his own gear rather than raid the club shop for freebies. He hasn’t fucking earned it, either, so it shows him up to be a wannabe and makes him look even more of a twat as he fails to get a tune out of this squad.

Sellers strikes me as one of those managers that has all the badges and follows the accepted UEFA curriculum on how to coach football the “correct” way. He looks to paint by numbers and play a “style” that might work for a club with far higher quality players. Has no understanding of playing to strengths of the squad he has.

Dan Storey did a series of pods with Not The Top Twenty NTT20, summarising some of his key observations from his epic Doing the 92. One of those was about coaches getting gigs at clubs because they talked the “philosophy” to the owners, who would buy into it hook line and sinker, believing they can replicate it all at their club without a) an infrastructure to underpin it and (more importantly) b) without the quality of player to implement it effectively. Dan spoke about these coaches using the clubs as a stepping stone in their careers, experimenting honing the “philosophy” with a view of getting another job with a higher profile club. For the coach it’s a low risk tactic since when they fail they can blame the club they have left for not backing them and for not having the infrastructure in place and they can also blame the players for not being good enough to play the game in the “official” way. Dan also mentioned that the fallout for the club was considerable and took a long time to recover from.
 
Sorry to say @Deadbat’s right. Wasn’t at the game but, as any cricketer will tell you “ look in the book”.
 
Deadbat said:
Ratings:



Cooper 6/10 – Made a few saves and no chance with goal. Badly exposed again and another day they could have scored a few more. His play was ok but not be surprised if a team comes for him looking at our decline – West Ham on reflection might have made a poor choice looking at the lad from Leicester’s form.



Godfrey 6/10 – Did ok. Steady debut and might have been our best outfield player – just by doing his job! Nothing amazing but defensively thought he was competent enough. Offered little going forward though not helped by the stationery Cannon of course. All the excitement of him and the Swedish lad seemed to mask the bigger issues to me. Not sure he moved the needle but today he looked savvier than Seriki. Looked bewildered a the lack of movement in front.



Burrows 4/10 – Continued his poor start to the season. Really good effort that hit the post of course but outside of this, he was sloppy in possession, and got caught out a few times. The goal he fails to react to the danger. They had a number of efforts down his side. Barry never even gets back into his own half sadly so that causes him more issues. His play on the ball has been careless but he looks slow and is getting overpowered in challenges when defending. Showing that as a left back he has real weaknesses that are being further exploited with the shape of the rest of the team,



Robinson 5/10 – He was ok. He had a few moments where he misplaced it and lost headers too much but against two bigger lads but overall thought he at least attacked the ball and won a few challenges. Not sure many others did. He may move on and may be someone we can do better from longer term but there are far bigger issues than him currently.



Bindon 3/10 – Thought he was poor and looks well below the standard required. Saw a lot defending him after the first few games but he does not win header/challenges and is weak physically. He also does not react or read things. The goal was a header he did not win and was slow again. He lost another header that nearly led to a second and ball watching on another when the lad Ivanovic should have scored. On the ball he is not great either and takes too long to do things. Just looks physically not at the level. A centre half without physicality or pace is no good at this level especially when he no anticipation. Sure, some will say others have been poor around him but I think he has been a major disappointment and just symbolises our side – passive and no character – which is harsh but he has to be able to impose himself if he wants to play this level or higher. When he went off and Godfrey came inside, we improved. Unless Tanganga signs, we may have to play Robinson and Godfrey in the middle and Seriki out wide to at least give us some size/pace in the middle that counters sides dominating us physically.



Peck 4.5/10 – Another disappointing performance but this system does not help him at all. Seems we just leave him on an island against 2-3 opponents and ask him to get on with it. He took Soumare out but then we ended up with him in the midfield and O’Hare and Hamer just showing no discipline to come back. The shape is horrible but the number of times he ran into trouble/or played a careless pass meant we never kept the ball either. Seems to have believed his own hype. If he is playing though we need a two in there as he is not good enough or disciplined to play as a lone holding midfielder. The formation is not helping but he still must be better at the work he does.



Hamer 3.5/10 – I think he has been way off it this season. One good shot saved but outside of that? A few passes across the field but he roved around and did not help the defensive side, picked up another stupid booking and sulked when the ball did not get to him. Maybe he wants to leave but his first three league performances have been not good enough. The shape and formation does not help – maybe Wilder was right to hide him on the wing – in this free role he is just roaming around but not in a way that helps us. Also, he is careless with the ball and not doing enough in games to impose his quality. If he leaves unless another Champ club signs him (maybe Brum or Ipswich might take him?) then not sure where he goes without going abroad. He is miles off Premier League standard as simply does not show the discipline (on the ball and with his conditioning)



O’Hare 5/10 – Started well and got on the ball and tried to find moments. He worked hard and always tried to get his foot in and try and make it hard for Millwall but as the game went on, he became decreasingly effective and not sure we saw much of him. I thought he would be ideal for the so-called press but we are not playing this way and teams have the ball without any pressure. He does try but when they go past him, no one else bothers a Hamer waddles into the play or Peck saunters around. Feel sorry for him at the moment but a system with him and O’Hare as free players and no midfield – poor wing options and a weak defence – means his energy is wasted.



Cannon 1/10 – Absolutely dreadful. Yes, he may not be a right winger and might have been put in a position that is not his but he is a professional footballer who should be able to do the basics of control, passing, running around, pressing when not on the ball. He has no idea where to run, has no football brain and when he has it, he just loses it as his touch is terrible or he gets outmuscled. I am amazed he even scored any goals for Preston or Stoke before or was seen as a prospect at Everton. Looks a dreadful footballer and even makes Brewster look competent. Wilder has to think what a huge mistake (forget all the bollocks about the new owners wanting him – Wilder wanted him last summer too long before they came in) he made and how it probably cost him his job (a competent centre back signed instead that does not back off like Robinson and we probably go up at Wembley). We need to just take him out of the side but with 4 years left of his contract will be stuck with him. I see nothing to suggest this guy will ever make a footballer at any kind of top level. He has no redeeming features whatsoever. The only defence is he is not winger – sadly he has been no better as a forward.



Campbell 2/10 – I have gone in on Cannon but Campbell was not much better and for the most part a total passenger. Had one headed effort but nothing outside of that. He scored opening day but the last two games he has looked lazy, immobile, and not interested. The service has been poor but look the lad Coburn for them – he threw himself around, made himself a nuisance and did not stop. Campbell’s work rate has been pathetic this season. I like the lad and showed last season he could be effective and with so many stand outs not playing well, maybe there is more to it but maybe you can see why for 3 or 4 seasons at Stoke, a number of managers did not pick him. Seems to be barely even getting out of a jog and again as much as the focus has been tactics/formation etc, if your centre forward (we often played one last year too remember) does not break sweat, you are going to struggle. He needs to wake up and fast. I know people will go in on Robinson, Cannon and the usuals but the so called big players have been awful this season. As much as the discussion maybe about how we play, if players do no run around or at least win their battles, then we are going to not win many games.



Barry 4.5/10 – Thought he showed what he has most of the season – decent to start with and got on the ball and tried to run at his men but then faded and was out of the game for long periods. He lacks strength and I feel gets crowded out a fair bit too. He had one shot saved but often I thought they crowded him out. Defensively offers nothing and leaves Burrows badly exposed. I am not sure about him so far even with a few decent runs. Seems another little, weak player who just gets run off it against physical Championship players. Some moments but at the moment for a struggling side we may have to be more pragmatic and sacrifice him and go more bodies in the middle – yes we may not be creating much but if O’Hare and Hamer plays – we cannot play all three – they give us so many issues in terms of winning battles and the midfield. I think he is a significant downgrade on Rak Sakyi who at least had pace and beat his man – Barry lack that acceleration to properly go past men.



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Brooks 5/10 – Frustrating in that he kept getting it on his left foot and moving inside and so predictable to play against. However, he at least got on it and a few things came from him. However, he takes too long to do things and the lack of a right foot means that defences just force him inside all the time. We did have a few half chances from his runs but not sure he delivered enough but in comparison to others probably did more than most! Cannot be surprised he was dropped as done nowhere near enough with his game time and looked passive. Until he had another tactic will continue to be easy to defend I feel.



One – Barely saw any of the ball really. Another who looks way off the standard we need at this point sadly.



Seriki – Taken out of the side and might be better as an outlet type sub and had a few runs but now you expect him to be in reserve for a while. Would have been better in the wide right role than Cannon who was appalling. Should have been introduced at half time for me. We were better with the back four that finished.





Manager: Selles 1/10 – Cannot give him more than 1 and that is only for the changes which at least gave us some life and we had a few moment/efforts but 0 points from 9 and 4 defeats from 4 (all deserved) means he is already in danger in terms of his position. He seemed quite calm after the game but his lack of emotion worried me as the urgency is now. He made out we played a lot better 2nd half but we did not! We were poor right up to 65-70 minutes and never looked like scoring till then. It was not as if he tore into them and they stepped up. We had a few chances as they sort of sat back but it was more chaos football/get the ball into the box than cohesive/progressive or planned attacks. He seems a bit bewildered by it all. His only other club of this size was Southampton (and that was hard in the top flight but he failed there) and the decent job he did at Reading was followed by an ok job at Hull but he go sacked.



I am not sure what United have seen him other than a few impressive interviews and a lot of talk about his philosophy. So far he has been an absolute disaster and whatever talk there is of getting rid of Wilder, irrespective of this, his appointment alongside the ousting and in isolation, is looking a dreadful decision. If we had been unlucky in games or had a plan but I cannot see anything suggests he has an idea how to get us dominating possession, controlling games, or scoring more than the opponents? This pressing football and vertical play is nowhere to be seen. He played this odd formation v Bristol with essentially Peck and we got outmatched badly in there – so went more solid v Swansea but we did not create so went back to the first home game approach which was a disaster. Once again we had none of the ball with Peck left exposed and Hamer, O’Hare and Barry just sort of floating about aimlessly and Cannon completely out of his depth. Millwall controlled the game and play and got the deserved lead. However, we have no midfield at all and teams just run through us. When we had the ball we had players miles off each other and no one was connected. The confidence of this side is shot but due to us having no athletes of note or pace, when we turn it over, our set of small players amble back but teams just break and put pressure on a defence that lacks the same pace/physicality. We looked a soft touch as we lost all the battles but the manager needs to give us a chance where we see more of the ball. He will be frustrated so called good technical players have been so careless with the ball. As I say, the chances at the end just came through getting it forward and percentage stuff really.



I worry that even this early, he is running out of time. Sacking him now seems as daft as appointing him but then good management realises mistakes and changes it quickly but I wonder where they go next if they do? Going to a Dyche/Wilder type seems to just see us doing the Slav/Hecky thing again. Many may argue it worked but I think we have seen the club want to take a different approach so they have to conviction to change the direction but if the coach/leader is not getting the best out of the players then at some point you have to acknowledge that. I think he will remain but I expect us to lose the next two as negative as that sounds and then feel they will make the change. There is an argument they may as well do it now. I really wanted it to work but seen nothing to suggest this guy has any idea – even with all the recruitment issues and lack of help. Also, giving him money to spend and bring in player a replacement may not want – seems an odd decision. He has had the worst start ever of any new United manager and in the current football climate will know if he does not get a result in the next few games – he will be gone and probably so will his career in English football in the top two divisions. He was very lucky to get the job here with a very decent squad despite the departures but he is making as big a mess of it as he could. I believe a coach that just threw them out and said enjoy it and do whatever you want might be better than this confused approach which seems to have them almost over thinking what to do.



Millwall – As last season, they came here and did what they had to but deservedly won the game. For an hour-65 minutes easily the better chances – had all the play when it mattered, more shots on and off goal and were rarely threatened. Just as easy this season as it was when they beat us under Wilder! Will not have believe how easily it was and the two front lads were a handful but the midfield also picked up all the loose bits and they won the physical stuff. They did miss a few chances that should have put the game away and then sat back a bit and would have been disappointed to concede but needed the keeper and the post to help them out. In the end despite the 3 or 4 chances we had, they will say they were value for the win for the rest of the game. The centre back who is supposedly being linked with us might leave them but surely will do whatever he can to find an alternate option after watching that and hearing the boos at the end!



Opponent Man of the Match – Benda was solid at the end making a couple of big saves. Up to that point not sure he did much. The Barry one was decent and the Hamer one very good. Cundle scored and could have had a few others. I thought Coburn was excellent and won lots of the high balls but never stopped. Showed Campbell up with his efforts in comparison.



Opponent Weak link – Ryan Leonard played right back but we did not exploit this. Barry had him one on one a few times but they did get back to help him. Millwall had a few players missing and still won the game deservedly. Sums up how bad we were.



Referee / Officials – Fine. I would have booked Hamer and Barry for petulance and dissent – maybe the Hamer foul was harsh but he is constantly gobbing off. The rest of the game – like most of ours this season – not sure we put a tackle in to allow us to discuss any controversial decisions. The other bookings were standard – Peck with a cynical pull back and Luongo with a late one from then. The game just sort of drifted to a conclusion but nothing the officials did decided the game. Some around us thought it was offside for the goal but clearly replays showed he timed his run well.



Crowd/Day Out – Atmosphere is getting bad in terms of the unrest. Not in terms of divisions or infighting (I know there is a lot of Wilder chat online etc of course) but just real frustration at the team, players, manager, and board. I felt the crowd tried to get behind the team but the boos were justified at half time and even though they tried to rouse them, the team barely got going even with that late rally. At the end, it was an unpleasant ground in terms of the boos and displeasure showed. I did not hang around to see what the team/manager did but at the end of the game I walked down to the director’s box (that is where I exit the South Stand) and there were some comment shouted towards Bettis and Shieber (finance director) but no sign of any of the owners. The reaction of the two board members was frightening as they seemed shocked at the boos and comments (nothing offensive – just asked what the hell was going on) and were quickly ushered out. The stewards seemed surprised but there were a number who made their feelings clear. It might get worse before it gets better sadly.



At the moment, those things that went against us at the key times at Wembley seems to have changed our future (maybe for a long time) in such a debilitating way that maybe none of us could have imagined. The fact our local rivals are absolutely fighting harder than our players should be damning on them and the club. We are rock bottom and lacking any kind of plan – on and off the pitch- how to turn this around and do not see any leadership from the board, manager or the side which worries me that it is going to get worse before it gets better. I thought we might not be as strong as last year and thought edge of the playoffs might be as good as we hoped but now we are genuinely not even thinking about promotion but just where the next result is coming from. Since Wembley – it is now 5 defeats and our longest losing run for a long time and so many questions but no real clarity on what we do next – even if we sack this manager, then who do we bring in – if it’s an old school type – that goes back to the same approach they seemed to go away from. They appoint another coach type then without the players and no time to implement changes, then would be in the same position. What a mess.
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Agree with other posters depressed me again. Accurate the only one I disagree with is peck and hamers score I've more chance of scoring sat on my fat backside than peck has at least with hamer he adds goals ... sometimes.
We really are very bad at the moment
 
MiserableBlader said:
I've posted on the match thread
"
The elephant in the room.
Imbecilic zealots with fixed demented totally insane 'ideas' not genuine football managers
I've given everyone average or above based on their (predominantly TOTALLY MISDIRECTED) efforts.
The imbecile Selles got his deserved 1 again.
"

for example
Cannon and Brooks were stupidly played on the right side, clearly not as wing(ers)
In some sort of order of ability and experience
Hamer, Barry, Ukaki, Seriki, Marsh etc would all have done from top class down to better there, and have more attributes to play in that position
I honestly think Brooks has been instructed NOT to go down the wing, NOT to cross the ball, just pass inside.
The first person to go down the wing and cross the ball I can remember was CF One stuck on the left wing in the ****** 90th minute
(Something that Brooks should have been doing from minute 1)
That is a stat THAT MEANS SOMETHING.
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I listened to Selles post match interview on Praise and Grumble and he cited this one One cross as what they had been trying to do all game
WTF - this is Orwellian doublethink - PLAIN LIES
This Pepshit Coco the Clown inverted wingers bollocks is what I have been complaining about all last season under Wilder and all this
and outlined how it is being implemented above and what should be done.
ATTACK WIDE, defend narrow.
And how did Pepshit get on Saturday as well against the Accrington Stanley of the top six?
Same setup as Selles 4-1-2-3.
It is the Emperors New Clothes and destroying football for those burdened with brain dead none managers as we have been.
But as I say - the Elephant in the room - the dead cat on the table - quick look over there
YOU (in general) AS WILDER FANS cannot point it out as the cause as your beloved imbecile Wilder did the same stupid things last season
Just with more and better players.

Feel better after getting that off my chest even if I realize only too well the visible anger exuded and the futility of it.
Back to my personal disasters for more total misery
 
Deadbat said:
Going back to directors box, I was aghast that those in ties almost seemed flabbergasted at the fans going down and shouting comments at them as they exited. Both Shieber and Bettis looked really shocked at the fact there was noise coming towards them.
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I can understand the owners not really understanding the context but there's no excuse for Shieber and Bettis not realising that finishing third, losing a play-off final, sacking a hero manager, appointing a coach with limited experience/success, selling players and replacing them with loans, starting the season badly wouldn't get this kind of reaction from some fans. You'd have to be really stupid not to understand this was always going to happen.
 
Deadbat said:
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Looks really close. A few in the South Stand at HT said they saw replays that showed he was just onside (from the screens at the back near the press box) saying both Robinson and Godfrey played him on but they only showed one angle on TV above which is inconclusive amd this is just after the header so Cundle might be a bit further back when the contact was made. I am guessing they saw a different angle on the replay?
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From your photo and watching it in real time I thought he was offside. He's possibly an inch offside, but it's the sort of decision it's impossible for the linesman to get 100% right.
 
Bergen Blade said:
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From your photo and watching it in real time I thought he was offside. He's possibly an inch offside, but it's the sort of decision it's impossible for the linesman to get 100% right.
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Yeah even on a freeze frame there don't think anyone can say it's definitely on or off. It's so tight. No massive complaints really as must have been very tough for the assistant in real time.
 
Deadbat said:
I thought he was weak and lacking in the big moments. Again. He might have won a few incidental headers but the goal and a few other chances they had - he was second and shrank from commuting himself. A centre back who avoids physical contact is a worry.
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On the goal Bindon was blocked by Crama from challenging for the header. Our defence is poorly organised following the corner though. It's too risky for the defence to play such a high line, almost in line with the dropping ball, gambling on our smallish players to win the headers against a taller, more physical team.

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Bergen Blade said:
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From your photo and watching it in real time I thought he was offside. He's possibly an inch offside, but it's the sort of decision it's impossible for the linesman to get 100% right.
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I'd always rather these go the way of the attacker. Who wants to see goals ruled out for what probably can't be ruled definitively one way or the other even down to the exact frame. It should even itself out so I've no problem with decisions like this in principle.
 
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