CONFIRMED Rubén Sellés - Three year deal

[The Crab]

I wanted Wilder gone IF we could improve on him and change the mentality of the club. If it was the same boring names (Cooper, Dyche etc.) then there was no point.

Whilst I have no idea if Selles is any good and will be any good for us, we’re at least admitting that the club is being dragged into a new way of thinking that has proved successful for other clubs.

The Jokanovic appointment seems like a bad dream now and we had to revert to type in Hecky to sort it out. Hopefully this one works better.

The Jokanovic thing was like buying an Aston Martin and then realising you can’t afford to run it. There was too much to be done, at the sort of cost that the club couldn’t afford. A good idea, poorly executed and poorly thought out.

Hopefully with Selles, we have a clean sheet of paper. A new board with hopefully the finance to back Selles up.

I get that it’s a gamble, I’ve already said on here that Selles is more about potential than experience beforehand.

The board will have certain expectations that they require Selles to match. We are about to see if Selles is up to it.

I can’t help but think that Wilder’s intransigence is what ultimately cost him.

It might be our club but it’s their money. In the words of Denzel Washington, they pay, they say

 

[Cheeky Blade]

I’m getting strong “ Don't you see that killing me is not going to bring back your apples?" vibes on these threads…maybe it’s solstice

 

[Yogi]

Is anyone else worried that the board have just:
- Seen Selles' Hull give us a bit of a spanking (mainly on the counter though)
- Seen that he has a background in football data
- ... and that's it. They've then made him our gaffer?

I loved Wilder, but we all saw how shite the football was last year and there's no doubt we'd have gotten our heads bummed-off in the prem again next season if we had gotten promoted playing like that.
So I was open to change, however I struggle to see what they've seen in Selles beyond the fairly shallow reasons I've listed above, that suggest he's THE BEST man for the job.

(Final disclaimer, all the usual bollocks about hoping he does well despite my scepticism, have been wrong before - thought Lys Mousset would have a Balon D'or by now etc.)

No of course this appointment might not work out but this doesn’t feel like a complete 180 degree turn in terms of style and identity like the Adkins and Slav appointments did.

I’d have said that managers who have been successful here in modern times have had several shared characteristics in terms of how their teams have played despite different styles.

Successful United sides have been aggressive, defensively solid, moved the ball quickly back to front and been high energy a bit frenetic and exciting to watch even if we weren’t playing possession football for purists.

It sounds like Selles shares that approach I’m sure his side will have different patterns of play to the Warnock and Wilder sides but if he can deliver on those things and get plenty of wins I can see it working out and fans liking how he sets up his teams.

 

[luffenhamblade]

Why do you think the people who are urging to get behind Selles, never got behind Wilder?

If we are regularly playing boring football under Selles, throwing promotion away and drawing unwanted negative attention to the club, I’ll be the first to want him gone. Until then, he deserves the opportunity to show us what he can do.

I’m behind Selles, he’s our manager. You’ve given away the unfortunate issue with Wilders second spell. You didn’t want him so do you only get behind managers you want? Would you not be unhappy if a successful manager was sacked. If third isn’t successful (and yes I get all the it’s not promotion and it’s all true) then if he doesn’t get promotion and you want him to stay it is either hypocritical or political (lower case). That’s all. UTB and Selles, we’re behind you just get us where we should be and keep us there.

 

[S64 Blade]

I’m behind Selles, he’s our manager. You’ve given away the unfortunate issue with Wilders second spell. You didn’t want him so do you only get behind managers you want? Would you not be unhappy if a successful manager was sacked. If third isn’t successful (and yes I get all the it’s not promotion and it’s all true) then if he doesn’t get promotion and you want him to stay it is either hypocritical or political (lower case). That’s all. UTB and Selles, we’re behind you just get us where we should be and keep us there.

I’ve no idea what this post means.

 

[Millhousesblade1889]

No of course this appointment might not work out but this doesn’t feel like a complete 180 degree turn in terms of style and identity like the Adkins and Slav appointments did.

I’d have said that managers who have been successful here in modern times have had several shared characteristics in terms of how their teams have played despite different styles.

Successful United sides have been aggressive, defensively solid, moved the ball quickly back to front and been high energy a bit frenetic and exciting to watch even if we weren’t playing possession football for purists.

It sounds like Selles shares that approach I’m sure his side will have different patterns of play to the Warnock and Wilder sides but if he can deliver on those things and get plenty of wins I can see it working out and fans liking how he sets up his teams.

If you excite Blades fans they’ll back you through good and bad. We don’t like boring football as you’ve mentioned, the fans get frustrated. I think that’s why some of our fans didn’t mind Wilder getting sacked despite an unbelievable points tally.

 

[blade67]

On the face of it, he did a good job at both Reading and Hull.

I guess time will tell.

I hope so for his sake because a big percentage of our fans are against the appointment. He'll have to win them over quickly

having done a bit of reading up on him now, it doesn't scream of "intent" does it? Did well at Reading in League 1, but Negative Nigel has that on his CV with us. And has kept Hull City up on goal difference.

He's replacing a guy with 4 or 5 promotions on his Cv who had us win 92 points last season. Let's hope their "moneyball style, AI algorithms" are fully optimised.

 

[blade too long]

I'm tired of people either trying to meme on AI, or being dreadfully ignorant of how we are applying it. Whichever this is, it's just sad.

datas been in use since sam allardyce went mad with it
players get dropped now down to training statistice on speed and recovery
some ofthe players in the sixties and seventies would rarely get a game using these perameters

AI DIDNT WIN LIVERPOOL THE TITLE, HAVING BETTER PLAYERS DID

wilders championship recored

17/8 69 points finish 10th , bristol c got us in play offs with 68
18/9 89 points finish 2nd
24/5 90 (92) 3rd

even heckingbottom got 91 and he got hammered

we finished at worst 25 ppoints above piggies

 

[Espania blade]

I think another rebuild is on the way, to play the Selles way we going to need faster stronger more athletic players, currently we don't have many of these, i think they aren't looking for auto's this season more of a transition to how the owners/manager and fans want us to play, I can see Brooks benefiting most from the Sellers style,
Whatever it's going to be an interesting and pivotal season me thinks

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

So it’s pronounced “blowjob”?…

In Spanish, si!

 

[blade too long]

You said “in 8 out of 10 seasons 90 points would have taken us up”…It doesn’t really matter how many we won, we didn’t finish on 92 points. If Burnley or Leeds would have finished on 91 points, we wouldn’t have gone up.
i put we earnt 92 from wins and draws we only counted as 90 as we started on minus 2

got to be very unlucky to be in a season when 2 clubs , who spent more money got 100 points

 

[The Crab]

Haven't you heard? You CAN'T trust the AI

So Paul Simon was lying? You CAN’T call him al?…

 

[The Crab]

In Spanish, si!

That will be a great help if I go to Spain*

*well, it won’t really given than I’m a fat ugly bastard…

 

[CarlMcBlade]

He was just sacked by Hull City and it was reported that he was recently in talks with League One Huddersfield, so I can see why some people are underwhelmed. But this will be the first chance he's had at a club that wasn't a mess. He was Southampton's 3rd manager in a relegation season and most of the damage was already done, Reading make Sheffield Wednesday look well run and Hull seem to aspiring to be the new Watford.

Yes, it’s unusual for vacancy to come up at a club with a decent team already in place. I just hope the lad can see this and build on it. When Slav came in he tried to change the world and rip up what went before. Hope Selles is clever enough to realise only slight modifications are needed here.

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

Yes, it’s unusual for vacancy to come up at a club with a decent team already in place. I just hope the lad can see this and build on it. When Slav came in he tried to change the world and rip up what went before. Hope Selles is clever enough to realise only slight modifications are needed here.

You can make as many modifications as you like so longer as you have the right players to implement your ideas. If you're going to play 442 then bring in some wingers. If you can't then don't play 442, play something else instead.

 

[Boxer Blade]

I was a happy clapper for Wilder, and then Hecky, and then Wilder, and now Selles.
I’m just a happy clapping sort of fan.

Sounds like you've got the clap pal, best get it treated.

 

[Frank the tank]

Is anyone else worried that the board have just:
- Seen Selles' Hull give us a bit of a spanking (mainly on the counter though)
- Seen that he has a background in football data
- ... and that's it. They've then made him our gaffer?

I loved Wilder, but we all saw how shite the football was last year and there's no doubt we'd have gotten our heads bummed-off in the prem again next season if we had gotten promoted playing like that.
So I was open to change, however I struggle to see what they've seen in Selles beyond the fairly shallow reasons I've listed above, that suggest he's THE BEST man for the job.

(Final disclaimer, all the usual bollocks about hoping he does well despite my scepticism, have been wrong before - thought Lys Mousset would have a Balon D'or by now etc.)

No

 

[Frank the tank]

having done a bit of reading up on him now, it doesn't scream of "intent" does it? Did well at Reading in League 1, but Negative Nigel has that on his CV with us. And has kept Hull City up on goal difference.

He's replacing a guy with 4 or 5 promotions on his Cv who had us win 92 points last season. Let's hope their "moneyball style, AI algorithms" are fully optimised.

You haven't done that much reading then have you ?

 

[ITALIANO BLADE]

ruben selles our new boss ill back him im sad tufty has gone but its not in our hands i just didnt like the way we got no clarity sooner but it is its what the owners want hes who they chose so i support the proud blades sufc badge crest whoever is gaffer he will be dynamic and we will finnish champions because he said hes gonna win every game in his 1st interview so i believe him he plays powerfull chaos football to win back him ruben selles hes a nice fella knows his football i like the way he tals hes positive he wants to come and help out and i think he wil sign some great players and he will come good i hope hes a sucess at the lane

 

[ITALIANO BLADE]

powerfull ruben is a blades winner

 

[mattbianco1]

Decent video that. Interesting regarding Vini Souza and that Selles doesn't really play with big bruisers in the #6 position.
This leads me to think Tommy Doyle could be a realistic target.

I'm getting excited by the appointment based on a lot of people saying the same about the workrate that he demands. The gut busting runs back to defence etc. Our pace in transition (both ways) last season was poor. This needs addressing

 

[Pintor75]

having done a bit of reading up on him now, it doesn't scream of "intent" does it? Did well at Reading in League 1, but Negative Nigel has that on his CV with us. And has kept Hull City up on goal difference.

He's replacing a guy with 4 or 5 promotions on his Cv who had us win 92 points last season. Let's hope their "moneyball style, AI algorithms" are fully optimised.

We took a chance on a bloke who did well at Northampton in League 2 and then walked out on us an again and who'd failed at Boro & Watford, give the bloke a chance, there's no guarantee of success for any manager including Selles, but give him a chance first

 

[Pandev]

Decent video that. Interesting regarding Vini Souza and that Selles doesn't really play with big bruisers in the #6 position.
This leads me to think Tommy Doyle could be a realistic target.

I'm getting excited by the appointment based on a lot of people saying the same about the workrate that he demands. The gut busting runs back to defence etc. Our pace in transition (both ways) last season was poor. This needs addressing

I am excited to see how he builds the team. Be interesting to see how he plays Souza if we keep him.

Strange having 2 ball playing CM’s rather than a ball player and a bruiser.

I would be gutted to see Souza go but makes sense if he doesn’t fit into Selles plans.

 

[Pandev]

Oops double post! Blame the dodgy hotel WiFi!

 

[Champagneblade]

Decent video that. Interesting regarding Vini Souza and that Selles doesn't really play with big bruisers in the #6 position.
This leads me to think Tommy Doyle could be a realistic target.

I'm getting excited by the appointment based on a lot of people saying the same about the workrate that he demands. The gut busting runs back to defence etc. Our pace in transition (both ways) last season was poor. This needs addressing

His sample size is quite small. Perhaps he doesn’t play one because he’s never had a Vini Souza type before? They aren’t ten a penny. Plenty of shortarse battlers but an absolute beast. Not so much.

 

[ITALIANO BLADE]

Decent video that. Interesting regarding Vini Souza and that Selles doesn't really play with big bruisers in the #6 position.
This leads me to think Tommy Doyle could be a realistic target.

I'm getting excited by the appointment based on a lot of people saying the same about the workrate that he demands. The gut busting runs back to defence etc. Our pace in transition (both ways) last season was poor. This needs addressing

wow fantastico video hes called POWERFULL RUBEN ..utb..

 

[ITALIANO BLADE]

We have about 3 manager threads. 2 Gary O'Neill threads and 1 Danny Rohl thread. But not a Ruben Selles thread.

He joined Hull when they were bottom in December. 15pts from 19 games.

He accumulated 34pts from 27 games (1.26ppg). A ppg ratio that would have seen them finish 12 if extrapolated over the 46 game season.

He did a decent job at a poor side and was surprised they let him go.

brilliant appointment he did well to win at the lane not many did that what will he be like at a massive club with better players hes a powerfull boss who plays 433 direct play ...utb...

 

[ITALIANO BLADE]

We have about 3 manager threads. 2 Gary O'Neill threads and 1 Danny Rohl thread. But not a Ruben Selles thread.

He joined Hull when they were bottom in December. 15pts from 19 games.

He accumulated 34pts from 27 games (1.26ppg). A ppg ratio that would have seen them finish 12 if extrapolated over the 46 game season.

He did a decent job at a poor side and was surprised they let him go.

he willl hit the ground with such a force it will be fantastico i like him i back the sufc blades badge no matter who is boss i love the blades crest ruben selles was wanted by lots of clubs hes only 42 hes hungry for sucesss he chose the lane because were massive back him i am brilliant blades appointment he did well to win at the lane not many did that what will he be like at a massive club with better players hes a powerfull boss who plays 433 direct play ill make him my italiano titamsu hes continental like me in fact hes sounds italian in his 1st inteview hes a breath of fresh air this nice spainsh fella ...utb...he wins..utb...hes our ruben blade

 

[jt64]

His sample size is quite small. Perhaps he doesn’t play one because he’s never had a Vini Souza type before? They aren’t ten a penny. Plenty of shortarse battlers but an absolute beast. Not so much.

That was kind of what I wanted to post. That may not be his ideal style of DM, but he may just have not had any such player in situ at the time.

I'm actually kind of half wondering if he doesn't play Vini in some sort of hybrid role, he has some of the ability that I think would work as a 10 when not in possession, then quickly make a short pass in whatever direction if he wins back possession from a high press and let other CMs (whoever they may be) who are more creative bomb past him, while he drops back and screens the back 4

 

[blade67]

We took a chance on a bloke who did well at Northampton in League 2 and then walked out on us an again and who'd failed at Boro & Watford, give the bloke a chance, there's no guarantee of success for any manager including Selles, but give him a chance first

Did I say I wasn't going to give him a chance?

It just doesn't scream "statement of intent". Hopefully, he's off to Real Madrid for his job after us.