raul
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George Best a million goals for Man U . 0 goals for Hibernian.
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George Best a million goals for Man U . 0 goals for Hibernian.
Please post more. Juninho, success in England , flop in Scotland. THIS OBVIOUSLY MEANS THE SPL IS BETTER THAN THE ENGLISH PREMIERSHIP.
Can say that about any league. Shevchenko, Crespo blah blah.
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blader
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I think you're losing your own point now, pal
I have posted this before, but Scotland has 1/10 the population of England. It follows that the talent pool is 1/10 that of England. Therefore there will roughly be 9 good English players for every 1 Scottish one. However "Senior" Scottish football has only just less than the half the number of English clubs. It is inevitable that the standard of Scottish football will be much lower than that of "equivalent" clubs in England. I think it is absolutely right that the bottom half of the SPL is English third/fourth tier standard, the Scottish second tier is probably about conference level and so on.
There's also the point that Celtic are the only Scottish club who can pay anything like what an English player would consider reasonable wages. It follows that all Scottish players with any real talent will either play for Celtic or leave the country.
There's also the point that Celtic are the only Scottish club who can pay anything like what an English player would consider reasonable wages. It follows that all Scottish players with any real talent will either play for Celtic or leave the country.
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I said in another thread he shoud've gone to a league 2 club or even conference to get used to English football as in club football life.
Explain please?
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Should'nt that theory make the chinese league a league of supermen?
Patrick Suffaux
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Not that I want to split hairs but his wiki page suggests he scored 3 for Hibs. He was also 34 by then. Not sure that counts.
Oh and it was over 30 years ago.
What has the length of time got to do with anything? The point still stands perfectly.
raul
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Neither will it say he scored a million for Man United, but as you say you don't want to split hairs. The comparison is both played the ast majority of their career in one country, the absolute fag end in the other. Had Riorden come down south when leaving Hibs instead of taking the easy option, I have no doubt he would have been a Premiership player.
Patrick Suffaux
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Errrm everything? My point is that the standard is much lower north of the border..."IS"...so I'm talking present day. I have no idea what the standard of Scottish top flight football was like in 1980 I'm too young to remember it. Hence it has nothing to do with a debate about present day standards.
What makes it even less applicable is that he was at the peak of his powers at Old Trafford. He was a washed up journeyman by the time he got to Hibs.
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Cultural factors obviously play a part. Given Scottish and English culture re football are pretty similar, population is the main difference.
Patrick Suffaux
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That's based purely on your opinion of his ability though, we have absolutely no idea if he would have and will never know.
It seems he went back to Hibs and got a few more goals so must have rediscovered some sort of form and was still in his twenties! Then he's gone to the lowest level of professional football in England and can't score.
Your purposefully being silly now, surely. You have no idea what the standard of Scottish football was like in the eighties, you're too young to remember it? I know all about Adolf Hitler, yet I was born in the 1988. Don't confuse memory with knowledge.
Patrick Suffaux
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Did you just compare the standard of Scottish football in the 1980's to possibly the most infamous political and historical figure of the 20th century?
Did you just compare the standard of Scottish football in the 1980's to possibly the most infamous political and historical figure of the 20th century?
Yes. Yes I did.
Patrick Suffaux
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If there's one thing I can give you credit for it's your passion for Scottish football. Particularly the standards of it post 1979
If there's one thing I can give you credit for it's your passion for Scottish football. Particularly the standards of it post 1979
The Nazis invaded Poland, Rangers fans invaded Manchester. There's a lot of comparisons there.
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Those stats certainly make Porter look rather good.
Wales and New Zealand can punch above their weights in rugby because rugby is the major sport there where it isn't in some of their major rivals - England, Scotland and France for example. Hence the talent pool is equalised somewhat.
I can't believe that this is controversial. Why does anyone think Belgium and the Netherlands have reasonable football teams, yet Luxembourg are shit. Or that Italy do so much better than San Marino? Or that Greece are better than Cyprus. For those relationships add England and Scotland.
We're not talking about national teams though Darren, we're talking about club teams who can buy in foreign players.
I'm also of the opinion that Scotland, whilst clearly inferior to England, isn't half as bad as people make out. Most of those people haven't watched games with any regularity and are talking crap based on stereotypes and other people's opinions. However - I am at a loss as to explain why so many players come down from there and struggle here.
I have a theory that the Scottish born players that move here expect it to be exactly the same, outside of football, but that it isn't really and therefore they get homesick. I spent seven years living in Scotland and there's something about the place that makes people want to return; this applies whether you are a Scot or not. I can't put my finger on what it is.
I'm also of the opinion that Scotland, whilst clearly inferior to England, isn't half as bad as people make out. Most of those people haven't watched games with any regularity and are talking crap based on stereotypes and other people's opinions. However - I am at a loss as to explain why so many players come down from there and struggle here.
I have a theory that the Scottish born players that move here expect it to be exactly the same, outside of football, but that it isn't really and therefore they get homesick. I spent seven years living in Scotland and there's something about the place that makes people want to return; this applies whether you are a Scot or not. I can't put my finger on what it is.
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If the Blades played in the Scottish League, where do we think they would be? Premiership?
You can look at players like Craig Beattie & Stokes and conclude that the standard is much lower in Scotland, but is it that simple? Would someone like Blackman look like a world-beater in the SPL?
You can look at players like Craig Beattie & Stokes and conclude that the standard is much lower in Scotland, but is it that simple? Would someone like Blackman look like a world-beater in the SPL?
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As I get to work from East Kilbride for 3 4 weeks of the year get to see the odd scottish game , and seen Ayr and Hamilton and Queens Park , and can report the quality is every bit as good as the regional Sunday division 3 games you can watch at Concord Park
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doesn't matter if you're in the Premiership or a Sunday league team, you cant score whilst sitting on the bench. not given a good enough run in a side that prefers the goal scoring God (cough) that's Chris Porter! just my opinion of course.
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I've watched the games shown on BT and in my opinion, the standard is below L1 , possibly top of the conference, maybe a little better. Obviously that excludes Celtic.
I saw Taylor's goals on Sky and the defending was appalling.
I've watched Scottish football on and off for a number of years and I do think the standard has fallen. As others have pointed out, twenty or thirty years ago the best Scottish players often went into our top league and were still good players, Dalglish, Hanson etc but the top Scottish players now struggle to do well in the Championship. Obviously that's partly to do with the huge lift in standards we've seen in the English leagues.
I saw Taylor's goals on Sky and the defending was appalling.
I've watched Scottish football on and off for a number of years and I do think the standard has fallen. As others have pointed out, twenty or thirty years ago the best Scottish players often went into our top league and were still good players, Dalglish, Hanson etc but the top Scottish players now struggle to do well in the Championship. Obviously that's partly to do with the huge lift in standards we've seen in the English leagues.
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