Lyle Taylor signs for Partick on loan

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I've got nothing against Taylor, if what I have heard is the truth then he has been struggling in his personal life over the last few months. Do I think he is good enough? No, but he has the attributes to be a success at this level so going out on loan will either get him a permanent transfer or come back with confidence in the summer to a better United side.

Good luck Lyle.
 
Agree brownie. Patience is the key for us fans, which isn't something I'd associate with us lot, but Nigel will sort things out when it's appropriate, so I'm hoping we'll see a decent addition up front as well as defensive cover being added. If we can get that in the JTW, then the serious rebuilding of the squad will happen in the summer. Given what was laid out on a plate yesterday, we can see what the team is capable of. I'm not the least bit concerned about how poor Tranmere were, United can only beat who turns up. It was heart-warming to see the way people on here responded after the game, well worth waiting for, now I'm greedy and want more (don't worry, I'm a realist!) UTB
 
Taylor has been a huge disappointment. I was hoping he would be combative, good in the air, get round people and be willing to shoot and hit target.

Seen very little evidence of that. Not sure he will return.

Let's hope Cloughie can persuade a decent striker to join us. It'll make a big difference
 
Wonder why wier didn't fancy him at Brentford if he was made available for loan. would like to see him in a free flowing attacking side who create plenty.

Wasn't aware of off the field problems - maybe the reason he's headed back north of the border.
 
sitwell said:
Begs the question ,did Weir buy ,Taylor ,Baxter ,Cuvelier etc ?
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I Can't believe Weir knew any of the players bought apart from Jose Baxter and the left back kid who was already here. Not sure where he would have come across McGinn, Cuvellier etc being an assistant in the Everton reserve premierleague.

We probably only went for Taylor because Rotherham were after him.
 
He wasn't strong enough to be the target man type Weir needed in his team, and when played with the ridiculously unfit King he had to/was instructed to do the running and chasing for two players. Strikers who chase and close down as much as Taylor's done will often struggle to have the energy and calmness required in front of goal.

He showed at Coventry that he can do well, and we've seen on a couple of occasions that he can strike the ball really really well, bit like Ched Evans could. But like Evans in his first couple of seasons he was rarely able to get to shoot.

Taylor wasn't as fast as I'd hoped, and to make it he needs more experience, more regular football and also work on his strength and hold up play. If he does well and starts scoring again he deserves a second chance here when he returns.
 
Well that is a shame, I liked him and thought he turned the corner after the two goals at Coventry but i guess it wasn't meant to be :(
 

Sadly it is a transfer that has not worked out and if we paid money (rumoured over 100K then the scouting network needs taking to one side whoever identified him) then it has been a waste of more resources.

I actually do not think we will see him again and that he will go at the end of the season. If Clough had any belief in him then he would have let him go for a month or even three so back for run in (see nothing about a recall clause either) but till the rest of the season suggests his career at SUFC is probably over.

If Clough felt he had a future then he would have loaned him to an English club where he may have some idea if he can cut it; even League 2. Maybe there was no interest in a striker who does not score goals or remotely look like scoring?

Loaning him to Scotland serves no purpose as it wont tell us anymore if he is going to make it in England as the level of football is so poor (evidence by his record there compared to record here and same with Murphy). I simply see it as a way to get some wages off the books and the first club that has come for him he has let him go.

At the end of the day Weir and Clough have both barely played him and they saw him every day in training. To me he was a striker that was not particularly fast, not great in the air, had poor anticipation and was woefully weak. Added to that he did not score goals or seem to have any concept of where to move to/how to read things. He looked like someone who had only started playing football recently. Lots of effort but just not good enough. Surprised some think he may have a chance as I saw nothing to suggest he will ever make it as a English league footballer sadly. We have been at the bottom of the third tier and he has barely shown anything of note when he has played (2 goal and 10 min spell at Coventry apart) and the fact Porter is preferred to him says how bad he is.

As above I believe he was probably signed by Stephenson or someone else; not Weir; as was quite a few of our players. Sadly most signed in the summer have not worked out and that worries me about our scouting. Not sure how it works now with Stephenson (is he still there?) and Simon Clough both involved.

Hopefully King and Ironside can be offloaded too. Miller will probably be kept around but we could then try and sign at least one new striker. In an ideal world we let Lappin, White go back, maybe keep Coady till the end of the season and try and allow likes of Westlake, Williams to go completely. Also cannot see any future for McGinty and Johns. The fact no one has even taken them on loan (I wouldn't after seeing them in the u21's quite a few times) says it all about them. Two more really poor signings. I don't buy all this they are young and can develop either. They wont suddenly get pace, skill, touch and a football brain regardless of them being young.
 
See that Ironside and McFadzean cannot even get regular games at L2/Conference level. Ironisde is only a sub most weeks for Halifax and McFadzean has not established himself.

Whitehouse has been playing regularly for York but they are losing most weeks and are near the bottom.

Think the above two have another year on their contracts but Whitehouse is out of contract end of the season. If any have a future at the Lane then they are going to have to really show something now.

Williams made a goal for Scunny who have surged to the top since getting rid of Laws so maybe they may keep him!

Westlake I watched for Mansfield v Oldham in the cup the other week and he looked dreadful.
 
Best I saw from Taylor (other than the Cov cameo) was when he's found himself wide on the right and running at defenders. Thought we could've made a wide-man from him ala Blackman.
 
Wards said:
Best I saw from Taylor (other than the Cov cameo) was when he's found himself wide on the right and running at defenders. Thought we could've made a wide-man from him ala Blackman.
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Agree with that - it was only a cameo but he showed something that no-one else was doing, namely going down the outside of a defender and crossing dangerously.
 
Deadbat said:
See that Ironside and McFadzean cannot even get regular games at L2/Conference level. Ironisde is only a sub most weeks for Halifax and McFadzean has not established himself.

Whitehouse has been playing regularly for York but they are losing most weeks and are near the bottom.

Think the above two have another year on their contracts but Whitehouse is out of contract end of the season. If any have a future at the Lane then they are going to have to really show something now.

Williams made a goal for Scunny who have surged to the top since getting rid of Laws so maybe they may keep him!

Westlake I watched for Mansfield v Oldham in the cup the other week and he looked dreadful.
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Ironside has started for 6 of his 9 appearances at Halifax but the question of his quality remains: he's managed two goals in those 9 appearances. I don't see his future being at the Lane; I think he'll end up at a League 2 or Conference side at the end of the season, probably with a sell on clause.

There have to be questions over McFadzean's attitude as well as his ability and until he sorts his head out he's not going to make a success of his football career, which looks like it's going the same way as his big brother's early years. He needs to move away from the Sheffield area.

Whitehouse's progression definitely stalled at the start of last season when he picked up that serious injury. It doesn't matter whether York win or lose as far as I'm concerned; what matters more is that he's playing and playing well which seems to be the case.

Hopefully Westlake and Williams' deals will be made permanent in January.

On Taylor: there isn't the option of one- or three-month international loan deals, nor is there the option of a recall. I would imagine that the thinking is that he needs to go somewhere, knuckle down and prove (albeit from a distance) that he should be in United's thinking for next year. The view is probably that the Scottish Premier League is a good mix of Championship (Celtic), League One (Motherwell, Aberdeen, Hibs, Dundee, Inverness) and League 2 (Hearts, Partick, St Johnstone, St Mirren, Kilmarnock, Ross County) and so should give Taylor more opportunity to prove himself than playing in League 2.

With King out of the picture and, you would suspect on his way out in January, it does mean that we're looking a bit light up front - you would have to think that we've got at least one forward lined up for January.
 
Deadbat said:
Sadly it is a transfer that has not worked out and if we paid money (rumoured over 100K then the scouting network needs taking to one side whoever identified him) then it has been a waste of more resources.

I actually do not think we will see him again and that he will go at the end of the season. If Clough had any belief in him then he would have let him go for a month or even three so back for run in (see nothing about a recall clause either) but till the rest of the season suggests his career at SUFC is probably over.

If Clough felt he had a future then he would have loaned him to an English club where he may have some idea if he can cut it; even League 2. Maybe there was no interest in a striker who does not score goals or remotely look like scoring?

Loaning him to Scotland serves no purpose as it wont tell us anymore if he is going to make it in England as the level of football is so poor (evidence by his record there compared to record here and same with Murphy). I simply see it as a way to get some wages off the books and the first club that has come for him he has let him go.

At the end of the day Weir and Clough have both barely played him and they saw him every day in training. To me he was a striker that was not particularly fast, not great in the air, had poor anticipation and was woefully weak. Added to that he did not score goals or seem to have any concept of where to move to/how to read things. He looked like someone who had only started playing football recently. Lots of effort but just not good enough. Surprised some think he may have a chance as I saw nothing to suggest he will ever make it as a English league footballer sadly. We have been at the bottom of the third tier and he has barely shown anything of note when he has played (2 goal and 10 min spell at Coventry apart) and the fact Porter is preferred to him says how bad he is.

As above I believe he was probably signed by Stephenson or someone else; not Weir; as was quite a few of our players. Sadly most signed in the summer have not worked out and that worries me about our scouting. Not sure how it works now with Stephenson (is he still there?) and Simon Clough both involved.

Hopefully King and Ironside can be offloaded too. Miller will probably be kept around but we could then try and sign at least one new striker. In an ideal world we let Lappin, White go back, maybe keep Coady till the end of the season and try and allow likes of Westlake, Williams to go completely. Also cannot see any future for McGinty and Johns. The fact no one has even taken them on loan (I wouldn't after seeing them in the u21's quite a few times) says it all about them. Two more really poor signings. I don't buy all this they are young and can develop either. They wont suddenly get pace, skill, touch and a football brain regardless of them being young.
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Agree DB. Good luck to the lad, it's certainly not his fault, but he can't cut it and the club clearly don't need him any more.
 
Balham Blade said:
Ironside has started for 6 of his 9 appearances at Halifax but the question of his quality remains: he's managed two goals in those 9 appearances. I don't see his future being at the Lane; I think he'll end up at a League 2 or Conference side at the end of the season, probably with a sell on clause.

There have to be questions over McFadzean's attitude as well as his ability and until he sorts his head out he's not going to make a success of his football career, which looks like it's going the same way as his big brother's early years. He needs to move away from the Sheffield area.

Whitehouse's progression definitely stalled at the start of last season when he picked up that serious injury. It doesn't matter whether York win or lose as far as I'm concerned; what matters more is that he's playing and playing well which seems to be the case.

Hopefully Westlake and Williams' deals will be made permanent in January.

On Taylor: there isn't the option of one- or three-month international loan deals, nor is there the option of a recall. I would imagine that the thinking is that he needs to go somewhere, knuckle down and prove (albeit from a distance) that he should be in United's thinking for next year. The view is probably that the Scottish Premier League is a good mix of Championship (Celtic), League One (Motherwell, Aberdeen, Hibs, Dundee, Inverness) and League 2 (Hearts, Partick, St Johnstone, St Mirren, Kilmarnock, Ross County) and so should give Taylor more opportunity to prove himself than playing in League 2.

With King out of the picture and, you would suspect on his way out in January, it does mean that we're looking a bit light up front - you would have to think that we've got at least one forward lined up for January.
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Agree with much of that. I would say that there are no real questions over Ironside's ability. He is not very good. The fact he has lost his place in a Conference side and cannot even establish himself as a regular starter let alone score many goals backs up what most United fans think of him. I would be surprised if he is still in any kind of league football next season. May seem harsh but I don't see any real qualities with the lad.

Whitehouse looked one of best of lost when we got to Youth Cup Final and I know he has had injuries but not sure he is going to make it now. Likes of him, Barry and Kennedy have been around a while now and with other yooungsters signing pro deals and coming through there is no room for sympathy. My point remains we are a struggling team in third tier and none of these have even got near to be being even occasional starters under a series of mangers. I think most will have left the Lane by this time next year..

McFadzean has at least show something in terms of a few decent cameos/goal in playoffs but he too has gone backwards this year and is another who had gone on loan to get regular games but is not even doing that. Not sure where he goes when he comes back as he has to really knuckle down or like those above will also be on his way. I get impression despite his quiet image, Clough will not mess around and get rid of any that he does not see a future. I like this. Too many whether young or old have had a free ride contributing very little for a number of seasons at this club.

As for Taylor the fact he has sent him up to Scotland with no chance of a return says it all. I think Clough has already made his mind up on him and it would take something quite remarkable for him still to be at the club this time next year. I think we will cut our losses and he will probably stay up in Scotland permanently.

We can debate league comparisons but if he had gone to a League Two side say and started banging them in then we could have brought him back but Clough has basically decided he is not going to figure for the club until at least August in a league game which is 7 months. Not sure what playing up there will tell us especially as he is playing for a poor side where he will get few chances really (just lost 5-1 at home to Murphy's former side Motherwell). Him chasing around as they lose 4 or 5-0 at Celtic I suppose at least will keep him fitter than sat on our bench!

With Miller looking badly out of sorts and Baxter more of a withdrawn forward then we only have Porter up top. We need at least 1, possibly 2 strikers in the window.
 
All of the kids have until age 20 to prove that they can at least become a squad player. For next season this includes Whitehouse, Ironside, McFadzean, Kennedy, Jasper Johns (remember him ?).

The reason ? SCMP, they start counting to squad costs. George Long is actually included in this group as well but we'll definitely keep him.

It won't surprise me if they release all of the rest of them. They will know, so they should all be busting a gut or it's goodbye and on to the next batch from the Academy hoping there are some winners in there.
 
Deadbat said:
See that Ironside and McFadzean cannot even get regular games at L2/Conference level. Ironisde is only a sub most weeks for Halifax and McFadzean has not established himself.
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A Chesterfield fan at my work said McFadzean hasnt been impressive
 
Deadly_D'Jaffo said:
I've got nothing against Taylor, if what I have heard is the truth then he has been struggling in his personal life over the last few months. Do I think he is good enough? No, but he has the attributes to be a success at this level so going out on loan will either get him a permanent transfer or come back with confidence in the summer to a better United side.

Good luck Lyle.
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Fair and true however life throws many problems and a strong athlete needs to be able to surpass what is going on in their personal life. From what has been seen on twitter he plays a better game with the ladies off of the pitch than he does with the ball on the pitch for us!
 
Clough doesnt like black players. Or slackers. He never had a chance did he?
 

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