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SwissBlade said:
Ignore the last 10-12 years for the sake of the argument. Been in the same division fighting on the same (or lesser) terms a few times over the last few years and achieved better than them....

http://www.lifesapitch.co.uk/opinions/why-wednesday-are-the-biggest-team-in-sheffield/?
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He also conveniently overlooks the crowd for this season's final league game at BDTBL. I know the prices were reduced, but that is often the case when the 'massive' crowds are drawn to the rust bucket!
 
the gyypo's will never be the biggest team in Sheffield in my book !
 
I read the article with amusement before checking out the creature that wrote it. Seems he is a fan of........swfc. So the gist of the article is that a wednesdayite thinks that wednesday are the biggest club in Sheffield. I am amazed.

I also couldn't help laughing about the pig talking about the way the two clubs are run, in respect of the Tevez saga etc. He has seemingly forgotten the HMRC debacle of December 2010 when swfc owed us, the taxpayers, in excess of £1m. I do not recall United owing the taxman money in this period. Yet because United made a financial claim against the 1966 World Cup Winners and won that claim, that somehow makes them a better run club.

He must be another one that has forgotten them owing the co - operative bank £20m + for 10 years and getting away with it year after year, missing PAYE payments etc and now thinks that his club operates on a different moral plateau to other clubs.

Just another delusional day in the world of the fuck faced fuckers then?
 
axel smeets said:
Just another delusional day in the world of the fuck faced fuckers then?
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In one, Axel. Wendy will always think they are the biggest, and the main reason is one-eyed cunts like this author. Throw in all the RS and Star mob and it's easy for a neutral (or Martian) to think it's the Massive.

Yes, they may well have sold out for Wembley, but only because it would have been their first visit and after over a decade of utter decrepitude, getting out of the Third Division is a huge bit of excitement (who'd have though it for such a Massive club?). Why, they even had a Civic Reception, motorcade etc. Would we? Of course not because memories of being in the PL are still fresh in our minds.

That bit about asking Dooley who he thought were the biggest reminded me of a twat who used to go round with our gang on Friday nights. Like a little fucking kid he used to think he was asking pertinent questions such as 'Do you like Neil Warnock? Obviously us Blades would have lucid opinions but, at the first hint of criticism of United, he used to go off like a ten year-old girl. Cunt.

Grant, like all Wendy fans, draws on extremely selective statistics:

'I was shocked that Sheffield United failed to sell out their ticket allocation for the home leg of the play-off semi-final against Stevenage. The attendance was just 21,182 despite the capacity of Bramall Lane being 32,702.'

Yes, and any neutral reading this shite may well be shocked that - for anyone at the game - 21,182 was a joke. They may also be shocked that, in 2006-7, we averaged over 30k for home games. I'm sure they'd be even more shocked to realise that the last time Wendy averaged over 30k in a season was in 1968. 44 years ago. Now that is shocking...

Talking crowds, did any of the 'local' media mention our sell-out followings in the last few away games of last season? The near-30k on a Saturday evening for a game live on Sky? The 30k for a Youth Cup Final? Didn't think so.

As Axel points out, criminal activity is not unknown at Hillsborough - either the 'Bribes' cases, their involvement in the Hillsborough disaster (when their 'friends in high places' ignored the fact that Hillsborough is a run-down shithole, but still awarded them another lucrative semi) or just a year ago when Teflon Mandaric lied to get Wendy out of an administrative hole, without the usual points deduction.

Wendy would have enjoyed last season, 'taking' teams like Wycombe, Exeter etc. Can't see them smiling when they try it at Leeds, Millwall, Cardiff etc.
 
It makes me smile when I read stuff like this.

Whilst in london last week Met up with my best mate from school, a pig fan. Good lad and far from as being as delusional as many of them, hes still confused. Bearing in mind we'd just lost in the play off I was expecting the grief from him. He offered sympathy and apologised.

I simply replied "I don't need sympathy, we've offered you none in the last decade whilst you've been below us. Enjoy your moments in the sunshine."

I then got mutterings about Dave jones and mandaric.... Ah the man that's been there 12 games and the man that dodged the tax charge, the man who's only there to make a quick buck... Like at Pompey...
 
Wednesday do seem to have more fans than us but who cares and why does it matter? It certainly doesn't make them "bigger" than us.

They're only hangers-on from the Premier League seasons in the 90s anyway who only crawl out of the woodwork once in a blue moon.
 
PeterNdlovu081 said:
Wednesday do seem to have more fans than us but who cares and why does it matter? It certainly doesn't make them "bigger" than us.

They're only hangers-on from the Premier League seasons in the 90s anyway who only crawl out of the woodwork once in a blue moon.
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They attract the occasional very big crowd - although that's partly because they play in a massive sh!t-hole that is difficult to sell out. But last season was the first time they have averaged more than us for a while - & that was because they were on the up whilst we are on the slide. But the fact they have not averaged more than 30k since the 60's is pitiful - particularly given they have spent many years in the top division during that time, including finishing 3rd. We averaged 30k despite being relegated under Warnock.

One of my mates is the typical pig fan for me. A few weeks ago when we were flying high & they were struggling before appointing Jones, he was slagging them off, saying he'd lost interest. A few weeks later him & his entire family are their number one fans again.

UTB FTO
 
Deano said:
But the fact they have not averaged more than 30k since the 60's is pitiful - particularly given they have spent many years in the top division during that time, including finishing 3rd. We averaged 30k despite being relegated under Warnock.
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Yep and we've actually averaged 30,000 twice since they last did it.
 
We've had our moment as Sheffields number 1 and now its their turn to point and laugh from loftier positions. We should be thick skinned enough by now to not care less.

Get used to it. Take it on the chin with the grace and humility that fails them. Most of all though, remember. Lock it away in the memory and know that one day, could be next year, could be another ten, we'll be back above them and when that happens - give it them back in spades.

Its how football rivalry should be.
 
Has anyone asked him which of his favourite teams is the biggest??
 
Presty said:
We've had our moment as Sheffields number 1 and now its their turn to point and laugh from loftier positions. We should be thick skinned enough by now to not care less.

Get used to it. Take it on the chin with the grace and humility that fails them. Most of all though, remember. Lock it away in the memory and know that one day, could be next year, could be another ten, we'll be back above them and when that happens - give it them back in spades.

Its how football rivalry should be.
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I don't think anyone would disagree that we can expect piss taking and abuse off the S6 mob, after all we have spent 12 years doing it to them. I just dislike the tone of the article that seems to suggest that swfc are, like I said above, on a higher level of morality than United because of a court case that happened in 2007/8. Then he invokes some alleged quotations from DD about the levels of wendy support.

Talking of wendy support, they are a strange club when it comes to fan levels. They get 16000 v Stevenage the game before they play us, when they get 36000. Then, they get 21000 in their penultimate home game, with 38000 turning out for the final match. A massive difference in one game, but for it to happen twice is unusual. I cannot think of many clubs that would have such a variation between their highest and lowest gates in the space of a single home game.
 



My father used to tell me all the time in the 60's that if the pigs won 3 games in a row that the next home game would see an extra 5000 at the sty, nothing changes eh !!! The most fickle set of bastard fans in the UK reside in S6.
 
As I said to an Everton fan on Monday, I'm looking forward to next season as we won't have Wednesday chirping away in our ears, slagging us off in the Star and on the radio. We can go about our business in this league and not worry about them, let them enjoy the delights of Ipswich and Derby like we have for years.

The Everton fan also said for £600 you can get a season ticket in their main stand. Premier League football £600 League One football £479, rediculous!
 
Worksop_Blade said:
As I said to an Everton fan on Monday, I'm looking forward to next season as we won't have Wednesday chirping away in our ears, slagging us off in the Star and on the radio. We can go about our business in this league and not worry about them, let them enjoy the delights of Ipswich and Derby like we have for years.

The Everton fan also said for £600 you can get a season ticket in their main stand. Premier League football £600 League One football £479, rediculous!
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You do realise that clubs are subsidised by around £30million to play in the Premier League and this is why some clubs can offer cheaper season tickets than us. It's not rocket science is it?
 
Worksop_Blade said:
As I said to an Everton fan on Monday, I'm looking forward to next season as we won't have Wednesday chirping away in our ears, slagging us off in the Star and on the radio!
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That's because there will be no column inches spare for us or radio time available to cover anything but the Massive and their relentless persuit of the train back to the Premiership
 
I know this is probably heresy (so get the stake ready boys and girls), but certainly since WWII Wednesday have been a "bigger" team than United. They have generally had bigger crowds and have been more succesful than we have - not hugely, but they have won the League Cup, been runners up in major trophies 4 times and been in Europe 3 times, whilst we have done sod all. To be honest, all the convoluted arguments that United are really a "bigger" team, just makes us look silly.

The difference is not enormous - we are talking Aston Villa/Birmingham City here, not Forest/Notts County - but it is there; and so what? The Tory Party has generally been more successful in elections than the Labour Party, but that does not alter my attachment to the latter. Take pride in who United are and don't think we have to have an inferiority complex vis-a-vis Wednesday.
 
JohnDenver said:
Hope not. I still think of Brum as the runts of the Birmingham litter.
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I agree. The difference between Birmingham and Villa is, for me, massive. Villa are one of the top 8 teams in the country, and while Birmingham have of course come on in the last 10 years or so, they will always play second fiddle to the boys from Villa.

Wednesday will always, I guess, be looked at as the most well known and succesful Sheffield team. There is a reason for that I suppose, the early 1990's being one of them. Unlike in Birmingham though, at least our rivals have never won the European Cup.
 
I've never thought we were as big a club as the MASSIVE but it's been a lot of fun being bigger than them the last decade , growing up over two decades where they're was no disputing the pigs were the bigger club and the ammount of tossbags they had supporting them reminding you of it everyday , if you had asked me the if I would rather have 12 years of finishing above them and getting bigger crowds but losing every big game in the meantime I would have snatched your fucking hand off

Let em have they're moment of glory now they still haven't averaged 30 k in the las 44 years we have twice
 
axel smeets said:
I agree. The difference between Birmingham and Villa is, for me, massive. Villa are one of the top 8 teams in the country, and while Birmingham have of course come on in the last 10 years or so, they will always play second fiddle to the boys from Villa.

Wednesday will always, I guess, be looked at as the most well known and succesful Sheffield team. There is a reason for that I suppose, the early 1990's being one of them. Unlike in Birmingham though, at least our rivals have never won the European Cup.
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But then I remember the early 70's when Villa were bumming around the 2nd and 3rd Divisions and Birmingham were a decent top division team, with the likes of Bob Latchford, Trevor Francis and Bob Hatton knocking in goals for them (how about that for a dream forward line). Villa were promoted to the First Division in 75 and have been pretty much the top Birmingham team ever since.
 
The period between about 1960 and 1975 is just about the only period in history that Birmingham can claim to have been better than Villa for more than a season or two at a time.

League titles - Villa 7, Birmingham 0
FA Cups - Villa 7, Birmingham 0
League Cups - Villa 5, Birmingham 2
European Trophies - Villa 1 Birmingham 0
 
Revolution said:
The period between about 1960 and 1975 is just about the only period in history that Birmingham can claim to have been better than Villa for more than a season or two at a time.

League titles - Villa 7, Birmingham 0
FA Cups - Villa 7, Birmingham 0
League Cups - Villa 5, Birmingham 2
European Trophies - Villa 1 Birmingham 0
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Fair enough - maybe a better analogy for the Wednesday/ United relationship (though at a much less exalted level) is Liverpool/Everton. Liverpool have clearly been the "bigger" team over the last 50ish years, but Everton are not hopelessly behind them a la Forest/Notts County, Stoke/Port Vale.
 
axel smeets said:
I agree. The difference between Birmingham and Villa is, for me, massive. Villa are one of the top 8 teams in the country, and while Birmingham have of course come on in the last 10 years or so, they will always play second fiddle to the boys from Villa.

Wednesday will always, I guess, be looked at as the most well known and succesful Sheffield team. There is a reason for that I suppose, the early 1990's being one of them. Unlike in Birmingham though, at least our rivals have never won the European Cup.
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Small mercies.
 
I have no problem with Wednesday being the 'bigger' club according to attendences. It makes them look childish and silly when they go on and on about it. We shouldn't enter the debate. I actually wouldn't like to see Blades fans go on about attendences like the pigs do if ever we took over from them on a long term basis, but I suspect some would. Even now, there is too much going into detail about when our attendences were better - let it go, it doesn't matter, it only matters how we play, what we achieve, how we conduct ourselves. (And they won this one this season, all hands down).

Regarding the article, it has to be the worst piece of sport's journalism I have ever read and it is a joke that he should be considered a journalist. I would be horrified if a United supporting journalist wrote similar rubbish biased in our favour.

Worst of all I find it incredibly disrespectful to the late Derek Dooley. The moron should be totally ashamed of himself for such a despicable article.
 
Oh dear Darren, care to compare back to WWI or compare over the last decade ? The only people who care are the pigs who seem to forget or manipulate the stats to suit a particular argument. Fair play to em they won the League cup 20 odd years ago with arguably their best ever team, look where it got them .............. a steady decline with mounting debts and hours away from Administration to be saved by a dodgy old bloke with bags of experience in ripping off the tax man. At the end of the day we have still won more major trophies than they have, no one remembers the runners up and we have probably played more seasons than they have at the top level. Does it count for anything..... does it fuck, they are top dogs for the moment it will not last it never does.
 



metalblade said:
Oh dear Darren, care to compare back to WWI or compare over the last decade ? The only people who care are the pigs who seem to forget or manipulate the stats to suit a particular argument. Fair play to em they won the League cup 20 odd years ago with arguably their best ever team, look where it got them .............. a steady decline with mounting debts and hours away from Administration to be saved by a dodgy old bloke with bags of experience in ripping off the tax man. At the end of the day we have still won more major trophies than they have, no one remembers the runners up and we have probably played more seasons than they have at the top level. Does it count for anything..... does it fuck, they are top dogs for the moment it will not last it never does.
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They have won 8 major trophies (league 4 FA Cup 3 and League Cup 1) to our 5 (league 1, FA Cup 4), and they have had 69 top tier seasons to our 60, so I am afraid you are just wrong.

The Sheffield teams were more or less even until WWII with perhaps United being slightly "bigger" (Bramall Lane was the best ground in Sheffield and regularly hosted FA Cup semi finals). There is no real argument that Wednesday have generally been the bigger team since WWII.
 
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