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Didn't see the interview on Calendar but apparently he said we've got a plan whatever league we're in next season.
Whether this involves Dave Kitson who I saw at Wembley yesterday I dont know.
Anyway, Keep The Faith Blades.
Remeber: Man City were in the 3rd division not too long ago.
 



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dn't see the interview on Calendar but apparently he said we've got a plan whatever league we're in next season.
Whether this involves Dave Kitson who I saw at Wembley yesterday I dont know.
Anyway, Keep The Faith Blades.
Remeber: Man City were in the 3rd division not too long ago.
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Maybe McCabes plan is to keep telling us he has a plan, that way we can "keep the faith" whatever that entails. I think we've been here before mate.
 
I saw something saying that our plans only differ slightly if we remained down and that youth was key, could have been hope in a dream last night however.

Evans out of contract alone saves us roughly £1m next season. Add Ertl, Simmo, Taylor, Williamson, BT and the probabl departures of Quinn and Monty (I am convinced McDonald will stay) and it's probably about 3.5million saving in total including transfer fees. If you were to spend half of that then that would be 6 players on about £5k a week, so picking up promising youngsters (with pace)will be key. All this is mostly guess work but I think fairly accurate.

I am pretty sure we can keep most of the players we want to
 
As you say it's all guesswork, how you evaluate that it's "fairly accurate" will stand to be seen. Me? I have to look at our track record in the transfer markets both in and out. We undervalue our outgoing players, and tend to make disastrous signings with the incomings, albeit the incomings are quite rare and we're usually left wondering why we never sign anyone of note.

I think my evaluation is also "fairly accurate", only difference being, I hope I'm proved wrong.
 
alcoblade said:
Aye, it's amazing what you can do with a mere £1000,000,000.

:)

UTB
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Yeah but to be fair to City they didnt get that sort of cash when they were in this league. They got back to the PL without any oil tycoon cash etc. If you can get out of this league and keep momentum going like Norwich and Soton you can use it as spring board back to the PL.
 
Bladeforlife said:
Didn't see the interview on Calendar but apparently he said we've got a plan whatever league we're in next season.
Whether this involves Dave Kitson who I saw at Wembley yesterday I dont know.
Anyway, Keep The Faith Blades.
Remeber: Man City were in the 3rd division not too long ago.
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probably Mccabe should have put this plan to work prior to cheds trial when we had the opportunity to get someone of quality in to replace ched
 
As i've mentioned before, McCabe probably wants out, and it's a damn sight easier to sell a championship club than a league one club. It does him no good whatsoever to languish down here for longer than need be.......
 
sothall blade said:
probably Mccabe should have put this plan to work prior to cheds trial when we had the opportunity to get someone of quality in to replace ched
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I think the idea was Hoskins and the fact that Ched had promised the board he was innocent
 
Princess Annes Dog said:
As you say it's all guesswork, how you evaluate that it's "fairly accurate" will stand to be seen. Me? I have to look at our track record in the transfer markets both in and out. We undervalue our outgoing players, and tend to make disastrous signings with the incomings, albeit the incomings are quite rare and we're usually left wondering why we never sign anyone of note.

I think my evaluation is also "fairly accurate", only difference being, I hope I'm proved wrong.
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Also, we need to remember Morgan is either out of contract or going to have career finished by injury so there is another saving there (not that I wish for this, just business)
 
sothall blade said:
how can the board accept cheds self innocence statement,when he has to stand trial with a jury innocent or not ? it cant be guaranteed 100%
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Still, at the time that Evans got sent down we had the following players available.

Hoskins
Cresswell
Porter
BT
O'Halloran

What else should we have done?
 
Maybe someone else can take over from McCabe and subsidise the biggest wage bill in the division, bet people will be queuing round shore ham st for the honour
 
From Paul Walker's chat with him...

"Kevin McCabe tells me that the last two season's has cost roughly around £15 million"

"There will be quite a few changes to the squad. There is no for sale sign on the heads of the likes of Lowton and Maguire"

"I think Danny has done a super job this season. A breath of fresh air. He's just as determined as me succeed next season"

"Down the track we must bring on board other investors. People who understand this great club"
 



Be interesting to find investors that 'understand this great club'. The problem with investors is they generally want a profit (can't blame them). It is rare these days to find a chairman that is willing to throw money at a club.
 
I am not sure I a confident we will keep the better players. To be fair to McCabe he allowed us to keep majority of squad (Lowton, Quinn, Monty, Evans, Williamson etc) and gave Wilson chance to get replacements/back ups for evans. O'Halloran did not work and Hoskins got injured/also did not work. We were quite unlucky but also Wilson made some mistakes in recruitment.We were supposed to have a new scouting system and would reap the rewards but the in's list if a bit of a car wreck since last summer. Flynn/Hill/Williams/Mendex Laing/Porter/LJF/Egan is not a list to be proud of at all with only really McDonald coming off. It was the players who stayed Quinn, Williamson, Evans, Lowton, Collins, Doyle that nearly got us back up (these same players put us down) and the incomers outside of McDonald had little impact all year.

It concerns me as I feel any kind of bids for Quinn, Lowton and Maguire and they will go sadly. I think Quinn is a cert to move on and has proved he can do a job in the league above comfortably. the other two also prob can play higher. If Willo and Mcdonald then do not come back the team is one that will be nearer the bottom than top with our best players of those remaining being Collins, Doyle and Cresswell/Porter.

Despite the much vaunted youth side of last season outside of Maguire not sure we have anyone else who is going to break through. Long has not looked convicing when I have seen him and only Whitehouse of the others have shown promise. Likes of Chappel, Philliskirk, Tonne, Harriott are not kids and have been unsuccessful when on loan or not really broke through. Going to sound harsh but I do not see why we are keeping these sort of players as they are not moving forward or getting any better and are never going to be first teamers now at this level.

We need to somehow bring in 4 or 5 pacey, young and hungry players from league one/two. I think if you asked every footballer in League 1/2 to name another club other than their own they would play for in the bottom two divisison and many would put us at the top of the list. We still should be able to attract players with fans/size of club and surely can still afford better wages than likes of Crewe, Hartlepool, Tranmere, Stevenage etc. However, my worry is we are not doing enough to get this type of player and the players Wilson/his scouting team has brought in worries me.

Will be an interesting summer but I fear we missed our chance this year and it will be a long rebuidling process. Leeds and Forest were at this level for 3 years. It would not surprise me if we surpassed that. Once again I hope I am wrong.
 
McCabe doesnt have a clue. I work off and on on a history of United so I often think to myself at certain events "How would I write about this?" And when it comes to McCabe and his time in charge the verdict has to be that its been an utter failure. Hes turned a debt ridden club headed for the third division into a debt ridden club actually in the third division. There were some nice detours along the way and the stadium looks better, but we are still on the trajectory we were on when he took over.
 
WalthamstowBlade said:
McCabe doesnt have a clue. I work off and on on a history of United so I often think to myself at certain events "How would I write about this?" And when it comes to McCabe and his time in charge the verdict has to be that its been an utter failure. Hes turned a debt ridden club headed for the third division into a debt ridden club actually in the third division. There were some nice detours along the way and the stadium looks better, but we are still on the trajectory we were on when he took over.
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agree with what you put if McCabe run his other business like he runs united he would soon be in the brown, he is on the long list of clueless chairmen we have had
 
I agree to an extent but if he went and took his money we would be in admin tomorrow.

I think he needs to make a bold decision now and its either 's**t or get off the pot!'. He needs to keep the side and add 3 or 4 more and then we should go up next year. I say 'should.' If he decides to sell for any kind of offers for the few decent players we have and the semblance of a decent side we have left is further demlished then he needs to put the club up for sale and try and let someone else have a go. Surely even with some of the debts we would still be an attractive proposition to a 'Manadaric' type?
 
WalthamstowBlade said:
McCabe doesnt have a clue. I work off and on on a history of United so I often think to myself at certain events "How would I write about this?" And when it comes to McCabe and his time in charge the verdict has to be that its been an utter failure. Hes turned a debt ridden club headed for the third division into a debt ridden club actually in the third division. There were some nice detours along the way and the stadium looks better, but we are still on the trajectory we were on when he took over.
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Couldn't agree with you more ..there's a first for everything.

BTW Does anyone know how this financial cap will operate next season?
 
Deadbat said:
I agree to an extent but if he went and took his money we would be in admin tomorrow.

I think he needs to make a bold decision now and its either 's**t or get off the pot!'. He needs to keep the side and add 3 or 4 more and then we should go up next year. I say 'should.' If he decides to sell for any kind of offers for the few decent players we have and the semblance of a decent side we have left is further demlished then he needs to put the club up for sale and try and let someone else have a go. Surely even with some of the debts we would still be an attractive proposition to a 'Manadaric' type?
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Couldn't this have been posted word for word at the same time last year? :)
 
Deadbat said:
I agree to an extent but if he went and took his money we would be in admin tomorrow.
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But he can't take his money as they are also his debts he owns us lock, stock and barrel and therefore admin is not an option.
 
Cost cutting in wages sorts it self out:
Ched (obvious)
Montgomery (barely needed this season)
Beattie (done sod all)
Simmo (up and down in form)
Morgan (retire and become coach)

there will be alot of change in players but it's needed. We need a fresher squad, few more kids brought through, some players who are good at this level and even promising league 2 players rather than over priced loanees
 
Worksop II said:
People who understand this Club, and would then put money into it, are not what I would call Investors.

There is probably a Medical Term for it ........... :)
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Football clubs aren't investments, they are black holes to chuck money into!
 



Deadbat said:
I am not sure I a confident we will keep the better players. To be fair to McCabe he allowed us to keep majority of squad (Lowton, Quinn, Monty, Evans, Williamson etc) and gave Wilson chance to get replacements/back ups for evans. O'Halloran did not work and Hoskins got injured/also did not work. We were quite unlucky but also Wilson made some mistakes in recruitment.We were supposed to have a new scouting system and would reap the rewards but the in's list if a bit of a car wreck since last summer. Flynn/Hill/Williams/Mendex Laing/Porter/LJF/Egan is not a list to be proud of at all with only really McDonald coming off. It was the players who stayed Quinn, Williamson, Evans, Lowton, Collins, Doyle that nearly got us back up (these same players put us down) and the incomers outside of McDonald had little impact all year.

It concerns me as I feel any kind of bids for Quinn, Lowton and Maguire and they will go sadly. I think Quinn is a cert to move on and has proved he can do a job in the league above comfortably. the other two also prob can play higher. If Willo and Mcdonald then do not come back the team is one that will be nearer the bottom than top with our best players of those remaining being Collins, Doyle and Cresswell/Porter.

Despite the much vaunted youth side of last season outside of Maguire not sure we have anyone else who is going to break through. Long has not looked convicing when I have seen him and only Whitehouse of the others have shown promise. Likes of Chappel, Philliskirk, Tonne, Harriott are not kids and have been unsuccessful when on loan or not really broke through. Going to sound harsh but I do not see why we are keeping these sort of players as they are not moving forward or getting any better and are never going to be first teamers now at this level.

We need to somehow bring in 4 or 5 pacey, young and hungry players from league one/two. I think if you asked every footballer in League 1/2 to name another club other than their own they would play for in the bottom two divisison and many would put us at the top of the list. We still should be able to attract players with fans/size of club and surely can still afford better wages than likes of Crewe, Hartlepool, Tranmere, Stevenage etc. However, my worry is we are not doing enough to get this type of player and the players Wilson/his scouting team has brought in worries me.

Will be an interesting summer but I fear we missed our chance this year and it will be a long rebuidling process. Leeds and Forest were at this level for 3 years. It would not surprise me if we surpassed that. Once again I hope I am wrong.
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Agree with alot of that. Think you have to remember just how poor the opposition is at this level and how if we do get rid of some big earners (not that anyone will come in for Monty Cresswell etc on the wedge they are on) then we surely will be abe to compete at the top 6 level rather than bottom half. The relegated sides in theory should be in trouble and there are no clubs in the tier like Hudd, Charlton and Wendy. I think we will sign some young hungry players this time round and we will be an attractive proposition for many players. We are reliant on Danny making the right choices - I like the bloke but have to say like you I am worried about his ability to make the right signings.

As for McCabe's plan i hope it involves leaving our beloved club as soon as is physically possible.
 
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