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Gordon quite impressed me, didn't get caught out, pushed high up, looked confident. I like him, but he needs to put some timber on.
 
LewishamBlade said:
Gordon quite impressed me, didn't get caught out, pushed high up, looked confident. I like him, but he needs to put some timber on.
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He was poor, so was baldock. That Burey they had and Wallace had a field day down our right hand side
 
Positive news but a loose application of 'academy graduate' to be honest.

RND and Ndiaye were 18 and 19 when they signed for us and neither played a great deal of age group football before their Blades debuts.
 
Hardly a ringing endorsement both games we have had 4 academy graduates in we have lost.
We had better go up this season otherwise its going to a long long time until we see the Premiership again.
 
Hecky summed his performance up, 'steady'
One great pass early, but sloppy in other moments
Kept it simple, but apart from one run just before he was subbed, offered nothing going forward
Not bad for a full league debut, deserves a home game on Friday.
 
Broomhall Blade said:
Hardly a ringing endorsement both games we have had 4 academy graduates in we have lost.
We had better go up this season otherwise its going to a long long time until we see the Premiership again.
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I don’t think it would be good to get back in the Prem any time soon. Let’s get rid of the expensive players that are not good enough and bring in the youth to get some experience.
 
BobblesBlade said:
I don’t think it would be good to get back in the Prem any time soon. Let’s get rid of the expensive players that are not good enough and bring in the youth to get some experience.
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So roughly how long 2, 3 5, 10 years ?
How many seasons do I have pay for my season ticket without any hope of Promotion, just so we can give youth some experience.
 
Panini said:
Positive news but a loose application of 'academy graduate' to be honest.

RND and Ndiaye were 18 and 19 when they signed for us and neither played a great deal of age group football before their Blades debuts.
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Calling players that graduated from our academy "Academy graduate" is not that "loose".
 
Bringing the young players on sounds alright on paper, but it's not the way it usually happens is it, in the past, we've sold the best promising young one's for money to buy "experienced"( older) players
 



BobblesBlade said:
I don’t think it would be good to get back in the Prem any time soon. Let’s get rid of the expensive players that are not good enough and bring in the youth to get some experience.
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Getting £100,000,000 plus which could help upgrade our academy wouldn't be good?
 
Berkshire Blade said:
17 for RND.
https://www.kinetic-foundation.org.uk/kinetic-u18-skipper-signs-pro-contract/

Ndiaye spent two years with no men's football learning about the pro game. I'd count that as academy graduation.
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I don't necessarily disagree, it's simply an ambiguous thing to claim.

A player is classed as 'produced by club' if they spend 3 years registered to a club before their 21st birthday.

He signed a month before his 18th birthday, but RND joined us and was registered 4 months later. I'm not sure whether he meets the 3 year requirement, and whether it matters is open to opinion.

Both are classed as 'homegrown' anyway, which means registered to any club(s) for 4 years prior to the 21st birthday, regardless of place of birth or nationality.
 
EddieColquhoun said:
Calling players that graduated from our academy "Academy graduate" is not that "loose".
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If we're counting anyone who could be regarded an academy graduate (and why shouldn't we, right?) then Brewster will make 5 when he's back from injury.

Ndiaye signed his first professional contract at another club, played in the FA Youth Cup for another club and didn't for us, made his professional debut at another club (I think) and joined us on a professional contract (not youth).

All these things are also true of Brewster, and Ndiaye was also older than Brewster was when he made his first-team debut for us and is older than Brewster in general.
 
EddieColquhoun said:
Getting £100,000,000 plus which could help upgrade our academy wouldn't be good?
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The problem is that we need to spend the £100m on additional players (plus wages) to have a chance of staying in the Prem, unless we take the Norwich approach of taking the money and going down without a fight.
 
Bath Blade said:
The problem is that we need to spend the £100m on additional players (plus wages) to have a chance of staying in the Prem, unless we take the Norwich approach of taking the money and going down without a fight.
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I would be quite happy to "do a Norwich" if we did get promoted this season. Invest the £100 mill in the club infrastructure - academy, scouting team, first team training facilities, may be one or two young players from lower leagues with potential. Then Have another year for possibly more U23s to come through then go back to Champ with parachute payments and hopefully be well placed to get promoted back up (as per Norwich) with a more sustainable club structure.
 
I personally thought it was a very strange decision from the Manager to play Gordon just because he is right footed when we have an experienced left footed centre back on loan from Liverpool who scored in the previous match.
Particularly odd when the opposition is known to play for set pieces and it was Gordon's full league debut away at Millwall - not the easiest place to play. I think this was the game for Goode to play in but his stupid red card cost us more in this game.
When asked about it on RS after the match Hecky said it was to give "balance", surely with defending experience has as much a role to play as "balance."
Widler was the same - obsessed with playing defenders on their strong footed side, to my mind a better defender is preferable on his wrong footed side than a lesser defender playing off his strong foot - ie Baldock at left back is better than RND it would seem...
Chalk this one off as a mangerial brain-fart.
I honestly think Lopata has more of the raw materials to make a better centre back and would have been a better choice. I can't really see why we need another lightweight centre back when we already have 2 or 3 of those.
 
Rudders said:
I personally thought it was a very strange decision from the Manager to play Gordon just because he is right footed when we have an experienced left footed centre back on loan from Liverpool who scored in the previous match.
Particularly odd when the opposition is known to play for set pieces and it was Gordon's full league debut away at Millwall - not the easiest place to play. I think this was the game for Goode to play in but his stupid red card cost us more in this game.
When asked about it on RS after the match Hecky said it was to give "balance", surely with defending experience has as much a role to play as "balance."
Widler was the same - obsessed with playing defenders on their strong footed side, to my mind a better defender is preferable on his wrong footed side than a lesser defender playing off his strong foot - ie Baldock at left back is better than RND it would seem...
Chalk this one off as a mangerial brain-fart.
I honestly think Lopata has more of the raw materials to make a better centre back and would have been a better choice. I can't really see why we need another lightweight centre back when we already have 2 or 3 of those.
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'Steady' the right word for Gordon - made one excellent tackle in particular on the left hand side, and was OK defensively (one naive foul aside). Offensively, played one good ball to Billy, but tossed it away at least 2 or 3 times under no pressure. Can't really remember him getting forward. He wasn't the reason we lost on Saturday. Would Davies have been better on the ball? Probably, but he hardly gets forward when he's LCB so would be even more hesitant at RCB.

Not sure who I'd play on Friday night.
 
LewishamBlade said:
It would seem to who exactly? He was crap in that role bar the tackle at home to WBA
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I thought he did well. He assisted. Got 7.67/10 on the match ratings for that game on here. Better than RND did in the next game he played at left back, but its all about opinions.
billyblademan said:
'Steady' the right word for Gordon - made one excellent tackle in particular on the left hand side, and was OK defensively (one naive foul aside). Offensively, played one good ball to Billy, but tossed it away at least 2 or 3 times under no pressure. Can't really remember him getting forward. He wasn't the reason we lost on Saturday. Would Davies have been better on the ball? Probably, but he hardly gets forward when he's LCB so would be even more hesitant at RCB.

Not sure who I'd play on Friday night.
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I don't think the scabs will offer the same aerial bombardment and well orchestrated set piece gamesmanship as Millwall.
So probably alright to play the smaller centre backs. If Basham is injured I really don't see the point of 5 at the back as he is the only one we have left who overlaps or drives us forward.
We should probably go to a back 4 - the extra bodies in midfield might help us going forward as we have looked shot shy in the last couple of games.
 
Rudders said:
I personally thought it was a very strange decision from the Manager to play Gordon just because he is right footed when we have an experienced left footed centre back on loan from Liverpool who scored in the previous match.
Particularly odd when the opposition is known to play for set pieces and it was Gordon's full league debut away at Millwall - not the easiest place to play. I think this was the game for Goode to play in but his stupid red card cost us more in this game.
When asked about it on RS after the match Hecky said it was to give "balance", surely with defending experience has as much a role to play as "balance."
Widler was the same - obsessed with playing defenders on their strong footed side, to my mind a better defender is preferable on his wrong footed side than a lesser defender playing off his strong foot - ie Baldock at left back is better than RND it would seem...
Chalk this one off as a mangerial brain-fart.
I honestly think Lopata has more of the raw materials to make a better centre back and would have been a better choice. I can't really see why we need another lightweight centre back when we already have 2 or 3 of those.
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Florist destroyed Leicester with their ability from set pieces in the cup. In Garner they have one of the best dead ball specialists in the league and three giant centre backs in Worrall, Mckenna and Cook. Whilst we are unlikely to face an aerial bombardment on Friday I fear for us defending set pieces if we start with the same back 3. As Wall showed just isolate Egan and you get a free header in the box.

I too would have preferred us to recall Lopata who has had half a season playing mens football and is starring by all accounts than young Gordon who until Saturday was an U23 regular. Davies has to come into the back 3 for the next 2 games. We will have enough problems dealing with Spence and Johnson down the left without having to nurse a youngster down the right.
 
billyblademan said:
'Steady' the right word for Gordon - made one excellent tackle in particular on the left hand side, and was OK defensively (one naive foul aside). Offensively, played one good ball to Billy, but tossed it away at least 2 or 3 times under no pressure. Can't really remember him getting forward. He wasn't the reason we lost on Saturday. Would Davies have been better on the ball? Probably, but he hardly gets forward when he's LCB so would be even more hesitant at RCB.

Not sure who I'd play on Friday night.
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I thought he did well and can forgive his low attacking output, it wasn't a game for bombing on as we weren't moving the ball quick enough.

The sloppy passing, if I remember, was early in the first half and I put it down to debut nerves at the time. I did have a few beers so my memory won't be perfect but I think his all round game improved after that good block in the LCB slot. He was beaten too often in the air for my liking but as a wide centre back that isn't critical.

I can see him keeping the shirt in Friday's game.
 
Panini said:
Positive news but a loose application of 'academy graduate' to be honest.

RND and Ndiaye were 18 and 19 when they signed for us and neither played a great deal of age group football before their Blades debuts.
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Billy Sharp is a bit of a stretch as well.

Didn't we sign him from Leeds United?
 



Rudders said:
I personally thought it was a very strange decision from the Manager to play Gordon just because he is right footed when we have an experienced left footed centre back on loan from Liverpool who scored in the previous match.
Particularly odd when the opposition is known to play for set pieces and it was Gordon's full league debut away at Millwall - not the easiest place to play. I think this was the game for Goode to play in but his stupid red card cost us more in this game.
When asked about it on RS after the match Hecky said it was to give "balance", surely with defending experience has as much a role to play as "balance."
Widler was the same - obsessed with playing defenders on their strong footed side, to my mind a better defender is preferable on his wrong footed side than a lesser defender playing off his strong foot - ie Baldock at left back is better than RND it would seem...
Chalk this one off as a mangerial brain-fart.
I honestly think Lopata has more of the raw materials to make a better centre back and would have been a better choice. I can't really see why we need another lightweight centre back when we already have 2 or 3 of those.
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Agreed , can't see why Lopata is behind Gordon
 
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