Stadium and facilities redevelopment post KMC

[BiggerBladeThanThou]

I'm not saying we should do this at all but IF we had the money and the will to, could we flatten the whole of BL and build a new 40k-45k stadium on the same site? What with the houses around the ground and lack of ground sharing options.

 

[Tarqs]

If we can sell even 1 more ticket to a Utd fan we shouldn`t be considering giving the away fans more if we don`t have to. That extra 2K for away fans is 2k whether they sell out or not.

Probably didn't make my point clear enough.

There's people saying we wouldn't sell out if we went to 40k...and they may be right, my point was that we could increase the away allocation if necessary in order to sell out.
Either way, there's plenty of games I reckon we could get high 30s for....and that's however many million a season extra.

 

[Snake]

True, but the SS extension also offers more of those pricey corporate packages - that's where the ROI is.

The Kop redevelopment probably doesn't have a reasonable ROI - even less so if we tear the whole thing down and start again - as much as we, the fans, may want to do so.

As much as I'd love the kop to be extended and significantly improved, I agree that in the short term the SS would be the most viable option. If we put a 5k second tier, with lots of corporate hospitality etc, I'm sure that we would achieve the ROI. Of course that all depends on staying in the prem, but let's face it, we are a team pushing for top 6. Let's think positive!

Just imagine the pigs I'm creaming myself at the thought of how they would react - some of them would literally not be able to take it! Also a SS extension would give us room for growth with potential new fans and a place to put kop season ticket holders when/if we decide to completely re-do the kop.

 

[blade too long]

We need to keep moving forward, All businesses know you modernise or you die
Look at the dire state of the neglected theatre of rust across the city

We need to up our capacity, to around 40k or 42k
why , well Arsenal got regular crowds of 36000 during the eighties, now they get 60k
its like it says in Field of dreams ,build it and they will come
We would definitely fill it for man utd arsenal etc but may get 35 36 k for some but the average would rise to 26k ish a 20 per cent increase in income
Plus with Wilder at the helm what about stuff we never considered before
European nights v atletico madrid or rb Leipzig
we have to prepare for the future

demolish the kop to floor level and maximise the space, earn money not sit on a mound of rubble

Villa totally removed the Holt End and rebuilt a 2 tier stand in 12 months

why cant we

 

[BladeInIreland]

Probably didn't make my point clear enough.

There's people saying we wouldn't sell out if we went to 40k...and they may be right, my point was that we could increase the away allocation if necessary in order to sell out.
Either way, there's plenty of games I reckon we could get high 30s for....and that's however many million a season extra.

We would sell out most games, certainly over time. Support can grow fast and we are in a city with the potential for much more. And like you say whilst we are growing we can Increase the away allocation for the clubs that can bring bugger numbers.

 

[Sean Thornton]

We would sell out most games, certainly over time. Support can grow fast and we are in a city with the potential for much more. And like you say whilst we are growing we can Increase the away allocation for the clubs that can bring






bugger numbers.

Bugger numbers?


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Not for me.......

 

[BladeInIreland]

Bugger numbers?


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Not for me.......

Be a completely different type of event, imagine the potential.

 

[Sean Thornton]

We need to keep moving forward, All businesses know you modernise or you die
Look at the dire state of the neglected theatre of rust across the city

We need to up our capacity, to around 40k or 42k
why , well Arsenal got regular crowds of 36000 during the eighties, now they get 60k
its like it says in Field of dreams ,build it and they will come
We would definitely fill it for man utd arsenal etc but may get 35 36 k for some but the average would rise to 26k ish a 20 per cent increase in income
Plus with Wilder at the helm what about stuff we never considered before
European nights v atletico madrid or rb Leipzig
we have to prepare for the future

demolish the kop to floor level and maximise the space, earn money not sit on a mound of rubble

Villa totally removed the Holt End and rebuilt a 2 tier stand in 12 months

why cant we

Our money tree isn't as big as Villa's.

 

[blade too long]

Our money tree isn't as big as Villa's.

wasnt up to getting in the prem , a second season plus shows lots of new growth on our tree

maybe with some european money shoots sprouting too

 

[Worksop II]

Our money tree isn't as big as Villa's.

It's a step forard that we have a money tree

 

[I should coco]

It's a step forard that we have a money tree

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Slightly gone off the idea of another tier whacked on top of the South Stand if I’m honest. It would give the stadium a weirdly unbalanced look, like a St James’s Park light. I don’t think we need to at this stage get to a capacity that we’re unlikely to fill. We aren’t selling out within a day of sales reaching general sale (or the equivalent we call it with the points minimum) – it’s a steady trickle that occasionally sees a sellout. I’d prefer we aim for the 36-38k.

 

[Worksop II]

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More this style

 

[TopBoy]

Premier League gate money accounts for between 4% (Bournemouth) and 19% (Liverpool I think) of total turnover. Liverpool have just 22-23,000 season ticket holders, the remainder of tickets for home games going into a ballot for members who are basically paying for the chance to win a ticket. A large number of these ballot winners are football tourists both from home and overseas that will spend money in the club shop on their visits. If we have any long-term success on the pitch this is the future we can look forward to.

 

[Booker4]

Slightly gone off the idea of another tier whacked on top of the South Stand if I’m honest. It would give the stadium a weirdly unbalanced look, like a St James’s Park light. I don’t think we need to at this stage get to a capacity that we’re unlikely to fill. We aren’t selling out within a day of sales reaching general sale (or the equivalent we call it with the points minimum) – it’s a steady trickle that occasionally sees a sellout. I’d prefer we aim for the 36-38k.

I agree. To start with I thinkl the Kop extension which would see our capacity raised by 3/4,000 I think would be about right and also remove the existing pillars from the Kop. No-one seems to know if and when we are due to extend the Kop. We've had planning permission for this for several years now but until now the demand was obviously not there.

 

[Sean Thornton]

It's a step forard that we have a money tree

It's been moved from Scarborough to Brussels, and back again. Now it's moving again. It's a wonder it hasnt perished.

 

[Booker4]

Premier League gate money accounts for between 4% (Bournemouth) and 19% (Liverpool I think) of total turnover. Liverpool have just 22-23,000 season ticket holders, the remainder of tickets for home games going into a ballot for members who are basically paying for the chance to win a ticket. A large number of these ballot winners are football tourists both from home and overseas that will spend money in the club shop on their visits. If we have any long-term success on the pitch this is the future we can look forward to.

I can't see us ever been in this situation TopBoy! Its supply and demand at Liverpool, there is not much more room for extension at Anfield whereas we can increase the Lane's capacity to 50,000 with the space we have and to be honest I think our ceiling of fan numbers is probably around the 40,000 mark unless we regularly compete in the Champions League and as lovely as that thought is, its something we've never done before.

 

[Balham]

Our money tree isn't as big as Villa's.

At least we'll own our ground come the summer though.

 

[Sharrow Snuff Mill]

I'm not saying we should do this at all but IF we had the money and the will to, could we flatten the whole of BL and build a new 40k-45k stadium on the same site? What with the houses around the ground and lack of ground sharing options.

Cost estimate ? Where would the money come from ?

 

[BiggerBladeThanThou]

Cost estimate ? Where would the money come from ?

As said, 'if we had the money to', ya'know hypothetically.

 

[BladeTillIDie]

An increase in capacity therefore more season tickets on offer would be beneficial. Alot of fans missed out on a ST this season and would rather pay £400 for every game guaranteed than pay £40 summat for a shite view sat alone.

 

[blade too long]

It's a step forard that we have a money tree

stay in the prem 5 seasons we can have an orchard

 

[YES Blade]

On the basis that I struggled this weekend to get two tickets together for a home game against Brighton, I'd suggest we do need to look at a way of achieving a 4-5k capacity increase.

This would allow:

1) us to be able to sell 2-3k more ST
2) us to have more tickets available for non-ST holders

SS 2nd tier looks like the sensible way to do this - although if you could put rail seating on the Kop at the same time as doing the extension backwards...

Rail seating is probably the best option as a short term capacity increase until we are in a position to finance a proper development.

I really hope that the Prince has thrown McCabe's World Cup Kop and South Stand extension plans in the bin. We need to stop with the short term make do attitude which we've had for decades when it comes to any work on the Lane.

 

[Sheffsteel]

The entire kop needs taking down and building again - but properly this time. It looks like a L1 kop.

‘Been said before.....there’s no way any business pays out money to lower their income.
A rebuilt steeper Kop with more leg room would mean a lower capacity......also think it’s essential we keep a cheap/affordable part of ground.
Fans have a choice...of they want better comfort then you need to pay slightly extra.

The priority for the Kop is to remove the pillars....so there’s no resorted view and put the concourse under cover enclosed with better/ bigger toilets and bars.
This can be done relatively cheaply and gives fans 90% if what they want....plus prices would remain lower on the Kop.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Rail seating is probably the best option as a short term capacity increase until we are in a position to finance a proper development.

I really hope that the Prince has thrown McCabe's World Cup Kop and South Stand extension plans in the bin. We need to stop with the short term make do attitude which we've had for decades when it comes to any work on the Lane.

Rail seating is not a short term solution to increase capacity.

In Germany they use a 1 to 1.8 ratio to increase capacity but in the UK everyone has made it clear it will only be a 1 to 1 ratio....so no capacity increase.
However if safe standing proves successful....then I can imagine in 5 years time clubs sugges we copy Germany and increase capacity.

It‘s not as easy as it sounds though because the councourse, areas and toilets must be capable of coping with a few 1000 extra.

 

[ShorehamRevolution]

Would anyone have a problem in increasing the kop capacity as planned but to fill it out you then allow the away fans the whole Bramall Lane end ?
Controversial I know as a bigger away backing would get behind the team but I’m all for creating atmosphere.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Slightly gone off the idea of another tier whacked on top of the South Stand if I’m honest. It would give the stadium a weirdly unbalanced look, like a St James’s Park light. I don’t think we need to at this stage get to a capacity that we’re unlikely to fill. We aren’t selling out within a day of sales reaching general sale (or the equivalent we call it with the points minimum) – it’s a steady trickle that occasionally sees a sellout. I’d prefer we aim for the 36-38k.

Theres an interview with the Chairman’s side kick who now lives in Shefield.
He was asked about ground improvements and his words were.

Wilder has made it clear the top priority is the training facilities and a Academy.
He then said if we stay up then once the training facilities are upgrades then they will looking at the stadium.
However he said the current thinking is a small increase from 32K to 36K.....he mentioned he loves the intimidating atmosphere of BL because the fans are close to the pitch so they are weary to build anything too big.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

However he said the current thinking is a small increase from 32K to 36K.....he mentioned he loves the intimidating atmosphere of BL because the fans are close to the pitch so they are weary to build anything too big.

Sounds good to me.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Would anyone have a problem in increasing the kop capacity as planned but to fill it out you then allow the away fans the whole Bramall Lane end ?
Controversial I know as a bigger away backing would get behind the team but I’m all for creating atmosphere.

That makes no sense.

We have limited availability for home fans and you‘re suggesting we increase the Kop by 3.500 as planned
but then give away fans an extra 3.500 in the away end end. That means there’s no increase for home fans.

To be honest the most important factor regards stadium expansion is whether there will be a temporary reduced capacify and the timescale.
The beauty of the McCabe plan was that there would hardly be any reduced capacity so everyone can still attend. Imagine the upset if someone who has been a season ticket holder for 30 years is told “sorry mate...there’s no room....your seat is no longer available but come back in 2 years when capacity has increased“

 

[yorkshirecoast]

‘Been said before.....there’s no way any business pays out money to lower their income.
A rebuilt steeper Kop with more leg room would mean a lower capacity......also think it’s essential we keep a cheap/affordable part of ground.
Fans have a choice...of they want better comfort then you need to pay slightly extra.

The priority for the Kop is to remove the pillars....so there’s no resorted view and put the concourse under cover enclosed with better/ bigger toilets and bars.
This can be done relatively cheaply and gives fans 90% if what they want....plus prices would remain lower on the Kop.

I’ve not sat on the kop for years - I’d rather pay more for better comfort and fortunately that’s not a problem for me. Appreciate we need to retain a cheaper area but the kop truly is awful. Pillars, dreadful amenities and from the outside it looks embarrassing.