Lengthy absence for Monty?

[judge]

MYTH ?

 

[GoldCoast Blade]

I guess we will all find out whos right and whos wrong in the next few weeks. Why don't we start this thread again in lets say 6 weeks and see which side of the argument has been prooved correct.

 

[Bladesway]

Yes - Ward is one of the most exciting talents in the division and I really enjoy watching him play. Morgan is outstanding. Other than that I really am struggling. Treacy looks like a talented lad but isn't ours - same with Walker.

Management and Board - hard for me to say anything positive about them at present. We have a great ground and huge respect for legal victory in Tevez case.

More than happy watching mid-table CCC football in long-term if it is accompanied with a bit of spark, zest and skill. Not sure we have that but I have said on here that I think the games have been better to watch than last term.

Why do I bother - because it is in my blood and I like drinking. The good times are so sweet with SUFC and you have to endure to fully enjoy.

Bloody good answer and thank you for it. I do wonder with many why they bother if all they have to say are negative things. Your answer nails it for me. I understand why and what you say here. I actually don't care about promotion but I happen to think we will be there or there abouts. I don't expect oodles of skill or worldbeaters. I share peoples concerns about various aspects of the club but I happen to think that while we perhaps don't have the worlds best manager, we do have a team in management and the board who want the best for the club.

 

[Bladesway]

he cant play football

I'm guessing he does it better than you do Judge, hence he gets paid thousands of pounds every week for doing so. Do you?

 

[SBSP]

Is that what defending Monty has come to?

Saying that he is better than the fans - thats how to win a debate

Proves even more so that he is shit, as his fans don't even bother comparing him to other footballers as it would make them look silly.

 

[Darren]

Is that what defending Monty has come to?

Saying that he is better than the fans - thats how to win a debate

Proves even more so that he is shit, as his fans don't even bother comparing him to other footballers as it would make them look silly.

But isn't saying Monty "can't play football" equally stupid?

No-one would play 300+ games in the top 2 divisions over a period of close on 10 years if they couldn't play football.

 

[Trevor Hockey]

and also for several different managers Darren.

they can't all be wrong - can they ?.

 

[Revolution]

and also for several different managers Darren

3 managers. And they are Warnock, Robson and Blackwell.

they can't all be wrong - can they ?.

There is a reasonable chance all 3 of them could be wrong about something football related, yes. After all, they have signed the grand total of 1 really good midfielder (Brown) between them.

 

[SBSP]

But isn't saying Monty "can't play football" equally stupid?

No-one would play 300+ games in the top 2 divisions over a period of close on 10 years if they couldn't play football.

So in your opinion Monty is a good footballer?

In this case you must think the rest of our team is amazing and you must sit in awe when you watch a decent premier game.

And yes, all of the managers that picked him have been worng, he must have some other 'skills' that help him get picked

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

I guess we will all find out whos right and whos wrong in the next few weeks. Why don't we start this thread again in lets say 6 weeks and see which side of the argument has been prooved correct.

Not really, Williamson could come in, France or Harper my play there, whatever the results, it won't prove one way or the other whether Monty's a decent footballer.

We could play a more attacking game but lose, would that prove Monty's a decent footballer ?

 

[Darren]

So in your opinion Monty is a good footballer?

In this case you must think the rest of our team is amazing and you must sit in awe when you watch a decent premier game.

And yes, all of the managers that picked him have been worng, he must have some other 'skills' that help him get picked

Depends what you mean by a "good footballer". If by a "good footballer" you mean someone who can hack it in the top half of the 2nd tier, then I would say he is a good footballer, as he records proves that is precisely what he has done.

If by a "good footballer" you mean someone who can perform consistently in the first tier, then clearly he isn't, as he hasn't.

It's quite simple really.

 

[JJ Sefton]

Depends what you mean by a "good footballer". If by a "good footballer" you mean someone who can hack it in the top half of the 2nd tier, then I would say he is a good footballer, as he records proves that is precisely what he has done.

If by a "good footballer" you mean someone who can perform consistently in the first tier, then clearly he isn't, as he hasn't.

It's quite simple really.

Is that a dig at Monty?

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Depends what you mean by a "good footballer". If by a "good footballer" you mean someone who can hack it in the top half of the 2nd tier, then I would say he is a good footballer, as he records proves that is precisely what he has done.

If by a "good footballer" you mean someone who can perform consistently in the first tier, then clearly he isn't, as he hasn't.

It's quite simple really.

Most people agree he does a good job at this level and also had a few decent games in the Prem. Most people agree he gives 100% every game.

I appreciate what he does for the team, I appreciate he's crucial to the way KB wants to play and only today he's bemoaned losing 'the best ball winner in the division'. My argument is that we have a midfielder who scores 9/10 for certain parts of his game but 5/6 in others and for a promotion chasing club, we could do better. I also appreciate that part of Monty's problem, as it was to a certain extent with Tongy before him, is the players around him.

To me, the argument about whether he's a 'good footballer' is pointless, he wouldn't have played as many games at this level and above if he wasn't. Is, or should he be, key to us if we're serious about promotion, that's another story.

 

[NN6]

If Monty was for sale (and not injured of course) there's barely a side in the division who wouldn't have him in their first 11.

 

[SBSP]

If Monty was for sale (and not injured of course) there's barely a side in the division who wouldn't have him in their first 11.

I think thats bollocks to be honest. If this was the case where we all the bids?

It is simple really - he isn't good enough for a side pushing promotion.

I know your first response will be that we nearly got there last year, but with people like him in the team we will always be nearly men.

 

[Fiery Blade]

Most people agree he does a good job at this level and also had a few decent games in the Prem. Most people agree he gives 100% every game.

I appreciate what he does for the team, I appreciate he's crucial to the way KB wants to play and only today he's bemoaned losing 'the best ball winner in the division'. My argument is that we have a midfielder who scores 9/10 for certain parts of his game but 5/6 in others and for a promotion chasing club, we could do better. I also appreciate that part of Monty's problem, as it was to a certain extent with Tongy before him, is the players around him.

To me, the argument about whether he's a 'good footballer' is pointless, he wouldn't have played as many games at this level and above if he wasn't. Is, or should he be, key to us if we're serious about promotion, that's another story.

He may in Blackwells eyes be one of the best ball winners in the division but unfortunately for Monty his ball retention and distribution skills are at the bottom end of the market. Agreed if he could drag the skill levels up to his ball winning skills then perhaps he would be plying his trate in the Premier not the CCC

 

[Micalijo]

SBSP - believe me, I agree with you about Monty. His deplorable skill levels for a CCC midfielder in my opinion negates any advantage gained by his ball winning and running.

However, we did get promotion when Monty was a valuable member of the squad. Not sure how many times he played that term but he has been part of a very successful squad and team in CCC.

What is the difference between then and now? For me, better manager and better players around him.

 

[SBSP]

The players round him make a diffeence.

But i think the biggest thing is the expectation on the players and the team.

The last time we got promoted I didn't really expect it, I think we did it with a fairly average side.

The thing now is with us being there or thereabouts for a few years now we need more from our players, simply putting 100% in every week is not enough. You have to have more about you than that.

I know with our league and finiancial position we can't have Ronaldo & Messi playing for us, but surely we can haver better than him.

 

[Bladesway]

But isn't saying Monty "can't play football" equally stupid?

No-one would play 300+ games in the top 2 divisions over a period of close on 10 years if they couldn't play football.

Which was my point, fighting fire with fire. Saying he isn't a footballer is a ridiculous statement.

As for what level the debate has come to, how many games has he played for us? He was an integral part of a promotion winning side, part of various play off achieving sides and has played under three managers.

Football is a team game, he is an integral part of a team. As a player I don't actually rate him but as part of a Blades side all I can say is we win more games with him in than with him out. Isn't that what the entire game is supposed to be about, winning and losing?

 

[Robbie]

It is simple really - he isn't good enough for a side pushing promotion.
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Promotion season - Monty played 41 times.....

He has been part of 2 teams that have got to play off finals too, as well as other seasons where we were there or there abouts.

Monty is a proper team player who needs certain individuals beside him. We know his limitations, we know he is no world beater - but I wouldn't swap him for the majority of defensive midfielders in this league, if any at all.

For me, Monty is an integral part of the team as he does what it says on the tin. His long distribution could be improved, but that's not his job to be some creative force, also the football we play doesn't help ANY of our midfield to be a creative force.

Monty can/will be part of a promotion pushing team this season, next season and until Blackwell leaves.

 

[GoldCoast Blade]

Not really, Williamson could come in, France or Harper my play there, whatever the results, it won't prove one way or the other whether Monty's a decent footballer.

We could play a more attacking game but lose, would that prove Monty's a decent footballer ?

My point is wether we will miss Monty or not. Not if he is a fantastic footballer or not. If we win the next 10 games then no we didn't miss him. If we lose the next 10 then yes we did miss him.

 

[Revolution]

Monty is a proper team player who needs certain individuals beside him. We know his limitations, we know he is no world beater - but I wouldn't swap him for the majority of defensive midfielders in this league, if any at all.

I would swap him for any midfielder who, as well as being able to tackle, can pass and shoot and play creatively.

There must be some. No one else is playing a midfielder who hasn't scored in 97 games.

And we do not have the "certain individuals" ie someone who can do the attacking for 2 central midfielders. Hence we are always weak from an attacking point of view in central midfield unless we play 3 there, in which case we are weak up front.

 

[Robbie]

I would swap him for any midfielder who, as well as being able to tackle, can pass and shoot and play creatively..

Name some viable options then.....

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

My point is wether we will miss Monty or not. Not if he is a fantastic footballer or not. If we win the next 10 games then no we didn't miss him. If we lose the next 10 then yes we did miss him.

Yes, that's a different issue but your comment was in answer to whether Monty was any good or not.

Re the next couple of months, I would say its more of a test of Blackwell, who he picks, and how he adapts to losing a key member of his team.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Name some viable options then.....

Blackpool managed to pick up Charlie Adam from Rangers for less than 1/2 million and we'll probably see in a couple of weeks the kind of player we're missing.

 

[Chengdu_qwade09]

monty is one of our best players we will show how much we miss him now you just see his passion and work rate will be missed just like jamie ward

 

[Robbie]

Blackpool managed to pick up Charlie Adam from Rangers for less than 1/2 million and we'll probably see in a couple of weeks the kind of player we're missing.

Re-visit this when he shows us then yeah?

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Re-visit this when he shows us then yeah?

Of course but look at his influence on them so far this season together with the impact he had in the 2nd half of last season. Not that it's a glowing reference these days but he's back in the Scotland squad as well.

 

[Robbie]

Of course but look at his influence on them so far this season together with the impact he had in the 2nd half of last season. Not that it's a glowing reference these days but he's back in the Scotland squad as well.

Ok..... so lets say he is a viable option..... how much would it now cost us to buy from Blackpool?

Is that money available?

Will he go the same way as other midfielders seemingly go with us (mostly having stiff necks ) like howard, Tonge, and so far Harper....

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Ok..... so lets say he is a viable option..... how much would it now cost us to buy from Blackpool?

Is that money available?

Will he go the same way as other midfielders seemingly go with us (mostly having stiff necks ) like howard, Tonge, and so far Harper....

He's not viable now, I'm saying he was in the Summer but presumably KB was happy with Monty. Let's not forget Williamson in all this as well.