So all deals off.

[TonyAgana]

any chance of some evidence to back this up TA ?

Sorry TH, just the old "very reliable source" and I know this is often used to try and substantiate rubbish claims but it's most certainly true in this instance.

 

[beightonblade]

Is sumat up at BDTBL?

 

[gregblade]

Whether Camara was offered £500 a match or £5,000 a week, it doesn't matter. He was offered what the club can, and are willing to, offer a player who is without a club, and has been for sometime. Has not got deals with the dozen other clubs hes had trials with, isn't has good as current players, and is only needed on a temporary basis!

Henri Camara is not Lionel Messi! Hes an average player, who at 32 is without a club after having 2 unsuccessful loan spells, and who couldn't get a contract with HULL! HULL! FFS! They have been desperate to sign players all summer! and he couldn't even agree a deal with them!

He's lucky he got offered anything at all! Its probably only through our desperation that he did!

Im sure I read Glen Little is on a pay as you play deal, which he was only happy to accept, probably because his agents advised him that at 33 and without a club the best he can hope for is an average deal with a top 6 championship club. In my opinion Henri Camara cant hope for much more!

 

[NN6]

yes Beighton...its clear there is no more money in the kitty for signings.

Now you can argue that we spent £3m on Ched, £500k on Williamson plus the wages on France, Bunn, Traceay, Reid, Little, Harper so its not surprising there's nothing left.

However, we've cleared plenty off the wage bill plus brought in £8m for the 2 Kyles and we have a threadbare squad. So its more than a little alarming to see a side thats averaging not far short of 10,000 less per game than us signing someone we were apparently after!!!

 

[SwissBlade]

So its more than a little alarming to see a side thats averaging not far short of 10,000 less per game than us signing someone we were apparently after!!!

Not as straight forward as that though is it?

I'm all for competing with teams around us, but I'd say that we're a decent yard stick for this division. Were one of the more affluent clubs on paper, but does that mean that we should chuck the baby out with the bath water just to get a Costa Rican or lads that are out of contract, had no preseason therefore no match fitness?

Look at Jonathan Fortune, we didn't consider signing him until he was match fit.

As for Camara, listening to Blackie's interview, we made him an offer, put it to his agent(s) and then they wanted more... even though its seems that he agreed in principle.

If Blackie's to be believed (and theres no reason not to) then the goal posts were moved. We wanted the player and he wanted to come to us

 

[lenners]

Comical way to run a football club allegedly aiming for promotion, absolutely comical.
No planning, no internal organisation just a complete balls-up.
Guess whose first win of the season is coming up tonight.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Meanwhile, in Endcliffe Park......

 

[Trevor Hockey]

Tony Agana

come on you can do better than that old excuse - surely you can give a bit more of an insight to info without compromising your 'source' !.

 

[alcoblade]

Guess whose first win of the season is coming up tonight.

either that, or you'll have computer problems in the morning.

UTB

 

[TonyAgana]

Tony Agana

come on you can do better than that old excuse - surely you can give a bit more of an insight to info without compromising your 'source' !.

Haha! I don't really know what I could say that wouldn't compromise it, TBH . Foxy?

 

[gregblade]

Comical way to run a football club allegedly aiming for promotion, absolutely comical.
No planning, no internal organisation just a complete balls-up.
Guess whose first win of the season is coming up tonight.

What a well thought out and intelligent post!

Why is there no planning? Why is there no internal organisation?

Comical way to run a football club? Thats strange?? Considering nearly every club in this division is trying to emulate our set up and strategies!

I think the clubs that are run comically are those such as Leeds, Bradford, Sheffield Wednesday, Portsmouth etc....all those who paid out higher wages and fees than they could afford and seemingly all nearly went bust!

If this post is meant in response to us not signing Henri Camara....can you please explain why not letting agents hold the club to ransom is a commical method? rather than perfect sense?

 

[lenners]

What a well thought out and intelligent post!

Why is there no planning? Why is there no internal organisation?

Comical way to run a football club? Thats strange?? Considering nearly every club in this division is trying to emulate our set up and strategies!

I think the clubs that are run comically are those such as Leeds, Bradford, Sheffield Wednesday, Portsmouth etc....all those who paid out higher wages and fees than they could afford and seemingly all nearly went bust!

If this post is meant in response to us not signing Henri Camara....can you please explain why not letting agents hold the club to ransom is a commical method? rather than perfect sense?

Jeez, the comical is the complete lack of squad strength which was known and not dealt with.
To top it off with bringing four players in on trial when it's now obvious the manager wasn't going to be given the funds to acquire any of them makes us look really, really amateurish.
Never thought I'd say it, but the other lot over in S6 are showing us how it's done at the moment.
And by the way, I'd hazard a guess there are no other clubs at all in our league that don't have enough players to put a full 17 out.
I can't see any of them desperate to emulate us either.

 

[raul]

Or, he could be making sure there's something to give to Blackie in the JTW when there are more players to choose from?

 

[Stockholm syndrom]

[QUOTE=lenners;
Never thought I'd say it, but the other lot over in S6 are showing us how it's done at the moment.


And how/what way are they doing that Len?

 

[TonyAgana]

Or, he could be making sure there's something to give to Blackie in the JTW when there are more players to choose from?

Surely it would be the Manager's choice where and when to spend the budget. Especially if the scouting team* and the manager have already spent time sourcing a player they want who is available now.






*less than subtle hint for Trevor Hockey

 

[lenners]

Or, he could be making sure there's something to give to Blackie in the JTW when there are more players to choose from?

Our season will be over long before January unless the team is strengthened in the meantime.
And if things go badly tonight and in the coming weeks, Blackwell's reign may well be over before January.
Unless that's McCabe's thinking and he's keeping dosh aside for a new boss.

 

[lenners]

Kept a strong squad, added to it, have enough players to fill 17 places, open communication with fans (bizarre though some of it is) and all that's aside from playing far more progressive football.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

To top it off with bringing four players in on trial when it's now obvious the manager wasn't going to be given the funds to acquire any of them makes us look really, really amateurish.

SUFC offer player terms, player agrees, agent pulls the plug....hardly SUFC's fault.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

yes Beighton...its clear there is no more money in the kitty for signings.

Now you can argue that we spent £3m on Ched, £500k on Williamson plus the wages on France, Bunn, Traceay, Reid, Little, Harper so its not surprising there's nothing left.

However, we've cleared plenty off the wage bill plus brought in £8m for the 2 Kyles and we have a threadbare squad. So its more than a little alarming to see a side thats averaging not far short of 10,000 less per game than us signing someone we were apparently after!!!

Personally, I think it's very surprising if there's nothing left. Can we just rewind to a time in the Summer when it was first announced that Everton had made a bid for Naughton? At the same time it was widely reported that we were chasing Evans £2.5M, Smith £1.8M and McIndoe £1M, with the implication being that if Naughton were sold, the funds raised would be used to strengthen the squad overall. What has happened since then?

We received an increased bid from Spurs for Naughton and sold him for £5M, possibly rising to £6M
We also received a bid from Spurs for Walker and sold him for £3M, possibly rising to £4M.
We sold Bromby to Leeds and Howard to Reading for around £500K each.
We also managed to off-load the high earners Hendrie, Carney, Sun and Sharp and replaced them with a number of lower-earning loan players and free transfers.
We pulled out of the £2.8M Smith and McIndoe deals and the funds we were willing to spend on Lita also remained untouched.
The only money we've spent on transfers is £300K for Taylor, £500K for Williamson and £1.5M for Evans. (The £3M figure is repeatedly trotted out by United but that's subject to appearances etc in the same way the £2M extra from Spurs is).

It would be more understandable if United had simply sold players without making bids for players who never arrived. But either the bids weren't genuine or we were willing to spend the money back then but we aren't now. Why? What has changed?

 

[lenners]

SUFC offer player terms, player agrees, agent pulls the plug....hardly SUFC's fault.

Give over, we should never have been in that position and do you really believe all this agent stuff?
Haven't we been outbid by Bristol City for one of them?
Even then, why on earth were we in that situation in the first place?

 

[TonyAgana]

Give over, we should never have been in that position and do you really believe all this agent stuff?
Haven't we been outbid by Bristol City for one of them?
Even then, why on earth were we in that situation in the first place?

I'm not sure we were "outbid" by Bristol in the traditional sense, more that the board wouldn't sanction the amount that the management wanted to spend on him.

And how can we not be in a situation where we're at the mercy of agents in this day and age?

 

[lenners]

I'm not sure we were "outbid" by Bristol in the traditional sense, more that the board wouldn't sanction the amount that the management wanted to spend on him.

And how can we not be in a situation where we're at the mercy of agents in this day and age?

Everyone's playing the same game. For Blackwell to make out we're the victims is a bit sad.
But it isn't really about agents. It's about a massive failure of planning, a hope to get by on a wing and a player and then coming the obvious cropper.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Give over, we should never have been in that position and do you really believe all this agent stuff?
Haven't we been outbid by Bristol City for one of them?
Even then, why on earth were we in that situation in the first place?

We shouldn't have let the squad size get to this state I'll grant you but why shouldn't I believe the agent stuff ? As always, you jump on anything bordering on negative and shout from the rooftops that either SUFC have c*cked up or the management are covering something up, that's up to you.

 

[Woodwaaard]

[QUOTE=lenners;
Never thought I'd say it, but the other lot over in S6 are showing us how it's done at the moment.


"Never thought I'd say it,..........................................

You've been saying it for the best part of the last four years!!!

Don't be a prat all your life

 

[TonyAgana]

Everyone's playing the same game. For Blackwell to make out we're the victims is a bit sad.
But it isn't really about agents. It's about a massive failure of planning, a hope to get by on a wing and a player and then coming the obvious cropper.

Cue the "you make your own luck" standard response, but we've been very unlucky with injuries to key players. If we were to have planned ahead we'd have had to start the season with a pretty massive squad of players - many of which wouldn't have been happy to be seen as old fashioned "reserves". For a club that has lost its parachute payments in the middle of the biggest recession in a lifetime, I reckon things aren't too bad considering - especially when you look at the league table (which is a comeback that often pisses me off but it is pretty much the bottom line).

 

[davidpinder]

Sorry it always makes me laugh lets just wait and see where these players end up we don't want to pay the wages simple as that every player has an agent. The players aren't demanding a fee so whats the problem???

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

Sorry it always makes me laugh lets just wait and see where these players end up we don't want to pay the wages simple as that every player has an agent. The players aren't demanding a fee so whats the problem???

As a free agent, I think a signing on fee is the norm which, presumably is what the agent gets a cut of. It may well be this that was the sticking point and not wages.

 

[NN6]

where the bad planning comes in is letting the likes of Sharp go out on loan when we only had 3 recognised strikers one of whom is now injured. that should have been a one in one out deal.

in theory we shouldn't really be too badly off even though Ward and Tracey are out. We have Cotts, Reid and Little out wide...and if the latter 2 aren't good enough to go into the first 11 they shouldn't have been bought. We're ok in the centre with Monty, Harper and Quinny, with Williamson to come back. Defence has been strenghtened with Davies and Fortune...

BUT...and its a big BUT...we are desperately short at centre forward. It seems Hendo and Evans aren't going to be compatible (given Blackwell didn't think any 2 from BT, Hulse and Hendo would work why did he think Hendo and Evans would??!!) and thats why missing out on Camara is so disappointing, he would have given us what we are missing down the middle.

 

[davidpinder]

As a free agent, I think a signing on fee is the norm which, presumably is what the agent gets a cut of. It may well be this that was the sticking point and not wages.

Maybe thats the case am guessing these players have there mouths sown shut anyway because neither can talk for themselves by the sounds of it.

 

[Trevor Hockey]

Tony Agana

Thanks for your earlier helpful hint / reply mate.

Just had a quick shufty on t'interweb and note the player in question is listed as 'on loan' at Bristol. Was tha 300k a loan fee / loan and wages / signing on fee / purchase price.

UTB