Ched Evans: How many goals for ANOTHER chance here?

[Rob86]

Depends on what the squad looks like on 1 September as to whether he comes back. If he’s match fit and we only have the 3 strikers, then for me he’s got to come back, irrespective of goals scored. Certainly more of a striker than Lavery.

 

[I should coco]

Let’s be clear, Ched hasn’t been ‘suspected’ of doing what he did. He did it. And I judge him for that in a very negative way.

I wasn't talking about Ched, whose story has been played out in the tabloids for the last 6 years.

You'd already got carried away with your moral cavalry charge to include 'racists' and 'homophobes' with not even the slightest definition of how these wrong uns might be identified.

I find it astonishing people can see past what Evans did to be honest, and will just make any excuse to justify him being here. The guy is a c***, I will never support him and I know there are thousands of blades who feel the same.

Your view to which you are entitled.

Serious question; do you not feel that 2 years inside for a crime which he has been proven NOT to commit, is suitable punishment for some pretty shitty morals?

 

[BladeInIreland]

Ah fuck it, let’s just play scumbags then. Ched is an abhorrent human, but your point makes sense. Let’s get every c*** off the street and pick them seen as you obviously place no value in the players as humans.

I find it astonishing people can see past what Evans did to be honest, and will just make any excuse to justify him being here. The guy is a c***, I will never support him and I know there are thousands of blades who feel the same.

If you want to, that’s your choice, but I refuse to want him to succeed. This case has brought out the worst in football fans to me, blind support for the club clouding their moral judgement.

To respond to you directly, yes, I would not want us to sign any player that has previously made any racist or offensive comments.i want good footballers but not at the expense of having to support people I dislike.

Let’s be clear, Ched hasn’t been ‘suspected’ of doing what he did. He did it. And I judge him for that in a very negative way.

It's not about blind support is it? The man was cleared. He cheated on his girlfriend, not the first nor the last to do it.

 

[blader]

I wasn't talking about Ched, whose story has been played out in the tabloids for the last 6 years.

You'd already got carried away with your moral cavalry charge to include 'racists' and 'homophobes' with not even the slightest definition of how these wrong uns might be identified.



Your view to which you are entitled.

Serious question; do you not feel that 2 years inside for a crime which he has been proven NOT to commit, is suitable punishment for some pretty shitty morals?

I have no interest in the punishment he received. My point is simply I cannot support a person that did such things. End of argument really, it’s just how I, and many blades feel.

My question would probably be, wouldn’t you rather we let him go, as no fan (as far as I’m aware) have any moral issues with any of the rest of the current squad? Wouldn’t you prefer all blades to be behind every single player, rather than the division? Surely that will create more harmony and, dare I say, more ‘United’

It's not about blind support is it? The man was cleared. He cheated on his girlfriend, not the first nor the last to do it.

Worst argument ever. Oh well, others have done it, so it’s ok.

 

[I should coco]

I have no interest in the punishment he received. My point is simply I cannot support a person that did such things. End of argument really, it’s just how I, and many blades feel.

So no redemption at all or any opportunity for a second chance?

My question would probably be, wouldn’t you rather we let him go, as no fan (as far as I’m aware) have any moral issues with any of the rest of the current squad? Wouldn’t you prefer all blades to be behind every single player, rather than the division? Surely that will create more harmony and, dare I say, more ‘United’

Ideally yes, but I'm really struggling to see why the moral views of some should preclude us playing a man who has patently paid for his 'crime' (he was not guilty in the eye of the law).

FWIW I had a problem with Marlon King and had a meeting with Julian Winter when we signed Marlon King. Here was a serial woman abuser who was awaiting a court appearance on another matter and had other petty convinctions too. I saw him as a serial wrong doer who I did not want at my club.

Ched made one very big mistake and has paid for it in spades, so I'm happy to see him given another chance. Were he to develop a record like King, then of course I'd drop my support of him.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Ripped us a new one?

Here's the highlights of said game. Can you tell me which bit involves him 'ripping us a new one'?

Two minutes? He had our defence all over the place for twenty minutes and looked good.

 

[Revolution]

Two minutes? He had our defence all over the place for twenty minutes and looked good.

And limped off after 60 minutes and hasn't played well since (well, he might be playing well this season, but I am not inclined to check).

 

[Sean Thornton]

And limped off after 60 minutes and hasn't played well since (well, he might be playing well this season, but I am not inclined to check).

Did you think he played well earlier in the game, you know, the actual point I was answering?

 

[blader]

So no redemption at all or any opportunity for a second chance?



Ideally yes, but I'm really struggling to see why the moral views of some should preclude us playing a man who has patently paid for his 'crime' (he was not guilty in the eye of the law).

FWIW I had a problem with Marlon King and had a meeting with Julian Winter when we signed Marlon King. Here was a serial woman abuser who was awaiting a court appearance on another matter and had other petty convinctions too. I saw him as a serial wrong doer who I did not want at my club.

Ched made one very big mistake and has paid for it in spades, so I'm happy to see him given another chance. Were he to develop a record like King, then of course I'd drop my support of him.

Second chance to have the privileges of being a professional footballer? Personally no, I don’t think he deserves it after that.

Again, my point is, you might be able to forgive him for it, I can’t. Many others can’t. So the choice is: take YET ANOTHER gamble on Evans again, or just stick with (and add to) the current squad that the whole fan base is behind? Even as a Ched supporter there’s an obvious choice there. Do you honestly believe there is a chance Evans will all of a sudden become a 15+ goal scorer at this level at 30 years old? If so, I would argue you’re delusional as there’s no evidence for this, if not, then get rid and stick by the project we’re currently undergoing.

 

[I should coco]

Do you honestly believe there is a chance Evans will all of a sudden become a 15+ goal scorer at this level at 30 years old? If so, I would argue you’re delusional as there’s no evidence for this, if not, then get rid and stick by the project we’re currently undergoing.

Probably not, hence the sensible opportunity to see what happens at Fleetwood. If he stays fit (plays more than 12 games) and gets say at least 6 goals, then I'd have him back to go on the bench. These are not hard and fast targets, so if his general play is good but he scores fewer goals, then maybe he'd still have a place.

Sadly I think two years completely out of the game is too much and I don't think we'll see the old Ched again. I'd love to be proved wrong on this as I think he deserves another chance.

or just stick with (and add to) the current squad that the whole fan base is behind?

Funny joke!

Have you seen the anti-Leon shit from some on here after Saturday? Lunny, Stevens and Basham cop for it too on a regular basis, so I wouldn't be too sure about the 'whole fan base' being behind anyone.

 

[LenTednTony]

Ah fuck it, let’s just play scumbags then. Ched is an abhorrent human, but your point makes sense. Let’s get every c*** off the street and pick them seen as you obviously place no value in the players as humans.

I find it astonishing people can see past what Evans did to be honest, and will just make any excuse to justify him being here. The guy is a c***, I will never support him and I know there are thousands of blades who feel the same.

If you want to, that’s your choice, but I refuse to want him to succeed. This case has brought out the worst in football fans to me, blind support for the club clouding their moral judgement.

To respond to you directly, yes, I would not want us to sign any player that has previously made any racist or offensive comments.i want good footballers but not at the expense of having to support people I dislike.

Let’s be clear, Ched hasn’t been ‘suspected’ of doing what he did. He did it. And I judge him for that in a very negative way.[/QUOT

Abhorrent human? The man had a broken moral compass and his actions were unsavoury however, would he do the same again, irrespective of the reason why? I think not and even if a little reformation has been auctioned within his mind then he deserves a career in which ever form that takes and we should not be so judgemental.

 

[blader]

Probably not, hence the sensible opportunity to see what happens at Fleetwood. If he stays fit (plays more than 12 games) and gets say at least 6 goals, then I'd have him back to go on the bench. These are not hard and fast targets, so if his general play is good but he scores fewer goals, then maybe he'd still have a place.

Sadly I think two years completely out of the game is too much and I don't think we'll see the old Ched again. I'd love to be proved wrong on this as I think he deserves another chance.



Funny joke!

Have you seen the anti-Leon shit from some on here after Saturday? Lunny, Stevens and Basham cop for it too on a regular basis, so I wouldn't be too sure about the 'whole fan base' being behind anyone.

Sorry yes, however no one would begrudge Leon, Stevens and Bashak any success is my point. Many would begrudge Evans success.

 

[nopigfansintown]

But it does. For instance for resale value, if he now returns to his one good season form and is available to transfer I bet the list of clubs still not wanting to sign him is significantly longer than those that do, and those that do won’t include clubs anywhere near the top of the Championship.

Whatever your view, his history will affect other clubs judgement, not to mention his record since returning, and I doubt scoring a few goals for Fleetwood will alter that.

If he returns to his previous form it's extremely unlikely he'd be available for transfer.If it doesn't work out for him. I'd be inclined to agree with you, although Chesterfield, Fleetwood and Sheffield United have been willing to sign him.

 

[super_pig]

if he bangs in 20 goals by Christmas then we won't be his only option..

 

[BladeInIreland]

Worst argument ever. Oh well, others have done it, so it’s ok.

No, it's ok because it's not a huge deal. Certainly doesn't deserve prison, losing your job and being verbally attacked across a nation.
Everybody in the club seems to love him, Great guy.
Good luck Ched if anybody deserves it, you do.

 

[Gavlar]

Two minutes? He had our defence all over the place for twenty minutes and looked good.

I have no doubt he played well for a short period. My objection was to the wording of us being 'ripped a new one', which I would reserve for strikers who have scored or assisted several goals, but each to their own.

 

[JJ Sefton]

Ched.

 

[Sean Thornton]

I have no doubt he played well for a short period. My objection was to the wording of us being 'ripped a new one', which I would reserve for strikers who have scored or assisted several goals, but each to their own.

I di say, or think, he ripped us a new one but l was at the game and thought two minutes of highlights was unlikely to show his contribution, good or bad.

 

[Gavlar]

I di say, or think, he ripped us a new one but l was at the game and thought two minutes of highlights was unlikely to show his contribution, good or bad.

I think we can agree that if he had scored or assisted a couple of goals, we would have seen them in the 2 minutes highlights.

But of course that doesn't tell the whole story of the game or other things he did.

 

[Houston_Blade]

A lot will depend on whether we bring anyone else in this month/Jan and let's face it, not many players have survived being sent out on loan under Tufty.

With the surprising exception being Lavery, someone who has done literally nothing in the last 2 years. Don’t get why he wasn’t moved on assuming there must have been interest from somewhere at some point.

 

[blade too long]

Cheds been hit by one injury leading to another, Theres no doubt theres a talent in him , but he needs a long run to get in his stride.
Unfortunately he was at his prime when he was wrongly convicted, and the 5 year gap has been a hard gulf to bridge , but theres still a glimmer of hope he can find his mojo again .
Fleetwood could see him return to full fitness and a return to his predatory instincts which were glowing up to that fateful friday in April

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

With the surprising exception being Lavery, someone who has done literally nothing in the last 2 years. Don’t get why he wasn’t moved on assuming there must have been interest from somewhere at some point.

It's now 7 years since THAT season, and remember, he'd had 2 less than impressive seasons with us prior to that so it's no wonder they're not queuing up for him. 30 this year and still only scored 60 odd career goals, 2/3rds of those in one amazing 8 month spell.

 

[Houston_Blade]

It's now 7 years since THAT season, and remember, he'd had 2 less than impressive seasons with us prior to that so it's no wonder they're not queuing up for him. 30 this year and still only scored 60 odd career goals, 2/3rds of those in one amazing 8 month spell.

I was talking about Lavery but similar applies to Ched as well.

 

[blader]

No, it's ok because it's not a huge deal. Certainly doesn't deserve prison, losing your job and being verbally attacked across a nation.
Everybody in the club seems to love him, Great guy.
Good luck Ched if anybody deserves it, you do.

Haha yes ye deserves good luck over all the other footballers that have behaved appropriately all their career. Oh dear.

 

[8lade]

Always makes me laugh when people say 'after what he's done', 'low standards' etc
I'm not going to judge anybody's standards in something like this, my mother thinks I'm morally reprehensible for having sex out of wedlock (bleeding hell if she only knew ) maybe she's right but who draws the line? And for those of you who think it's you, think again.

 

[blade too long]

It's now 7 years since THAT season, and remember, he'd had 2 less than impressive seasons with us prior to that so it's no wonder they're not queuing up for him. 30 this year and still only scored 60 odd career goals, 2/3rds of those in one amazing 8 month spell.

but players thats been out years with injury have come back
and other ex jail birds have returned and flourished

yes hes had his injuries , but so have others
hes too young to write off yet

as for moral judgements they make laugh
hes been found innocent
and the christian mantra of forgiveness , well thats a laugh
some refuse to forgive an innocent man

 

[BladeInIreland]

Haha yes ye deserves good luck over all the other footballers that have behaved appropriately all their career. Oh dear.

You think most other footballers are saints, oh dear

Scratch that, you think most human beings are saints, oh dear

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

but players thats been out years with injury have come back
and other ex jail birds have returned and flourished

yes hes had his injuries , but so have others
hes too young to write off yet

as for moral judgements they make laugh
hes been found innocent
and the christian mantra of forgiveness , well thats a laugh
some refuse to forgive an innocent man

My point is that he's 30 in a few months and has had about 8 months of decent form in his career and that was 7 years ago. Morality, injuries etc aside, would we be interested in any other striker with that footballing track record?

 

[blader]

You think most other footballers are saints, oh dear

Scratch that, you think most human beings are saints, oh dear

But again. Think of the argument you’re putting forward. ‘Other players have done bad stuff so we should be able to forgive Ched for doing what he did.’

Bored of having this conversation with the odd fan that’s able to ignore all moral grounding on the basis of ‘but sir, he did a bad thing too, so it’s ok’

 

[JJ Sefton]

You can call it faux morality, I’ll call it morality. Ok?

Is there anyone here who can honestly, hand on heart, say that they themselves haven't done exactly what Ched did?