Paddy Kenny

[Sean Thornton]

Kenny was the third (and the 3rd best) of 3 great keepers I was privileged to see in a 20 year span. We really were spoiled.

The club did stand by Kenny. On the other hand, they also lowballed him on wages and set a low trigger figure for a transfer in his contract. That was one of the things that contributed to our relegation.

They learned nothing from this situation, of course, as it was repeated when McDonald left for Wolves.

Kenny is a complex character. Some of the stories about him do not reflect well on him. I met him once and found him an nice guy, affable and approachable to fans, and I've heard others say the same.

He gave us some terrific years. That's what I choose to remember most about him.

He is a nice bloke, but he ended up a liability to the club because he carried on knocking around with the same Sheffield people he was when he was taking that cough syrup. And that's not pretending to be itk about the clubs contract dealings it's knowing some of them and seeing him in their company.

Colin has said - while I was there - part of the deal on his transfer was that he repaid United all monies paid to him whilst banned, and I've heard that from someone else.

How do you know the club set the clause low and it wasn't an agreement between them and his agent? The club might have accepted it as we were cost cutting but your suggestion it was the clubs and only the clubs decisionis highley unlikely.

McDonald wouldn't sign a new contract without a low clause. I thought this was an accepted fact?

 

[Revolution]

What's your POV on the 'twice left SUFC' Brian Deane?

I mean, he scored 'some' goals and stuff ...

pommpey

I always wonder how many of the thousands of Blades who sang "Deano is a wanker" after he scored at the Lane for Leeds in 1994 would admit to it now.

 

[Brother-Leech]

No one noticed I put John Cofie in there . I think he left to stack shelves at Asda, with Bomber Graham. Lol

He's at Chorley on loan from Bradford Park Avenue apparently.

 

[Hodgesleftpeg]

The mistake against Everton wasn't showboating. He just dropped the ball. It was an error, which could happen to any player on the pitch. A bit like the error that you made in stating that it was a free-kick (it was a penalty).

Ok, it was a penalty, my mistake..
Hold my hands up!!

He tried catching it with one hand, it was an error, trying to be a clever twat.. which he certainly isn't..
And when keepers are trying to be clever twats(sorry make a mistake in your eyes), it can cost ... which it did ... a lot

 

[I should coco]

What's your POV on the 'twice left SUFC' Brian Deane?

I'll get mine in first so I'm not accused of copying new bezzie mate Tyler Durden .

First time he was sold for the money. I'm sure he wanted to progress his own career, but I think most fans wished him well and just hated Brearly that bit more for not allowing DB to spend all the cash.

Second time he was sold by Charles Green, again for money reasons. He'd never pushed for a move and had dropped a league to help us back up.

Difference is Deano never got a drugs ban, never made a big thing of it and kept his head down. He was welcomed on his third return and I'd happily buy him a pint for the great times he gave me. Kenny lost all of that by pissing off to join Warnock for more money having lied about how much he 'owed' the club for standing by him.

Chalk and cheese in my book.

 

[Geordie Blade]

Ok, it was a penalty, my mistake..
Hold my hands up!!

He tried catching it with one hand, it was an error, trying to be a clever twat.. which he certainly isn't..
And when keepers are trying to be clever twats(sorry make a mistake in your eyes), it can cost ... which it did ... a lot

Would you like to clarify which player(s) did not make any errors that season? Or any season, for that matter.

 

[Revolution]

He is a nice bloke, but he ended up a liability to the club because he carried on knocking around with the same Sheffield people he was when he was taking that cough syrup. And that's not pretending to be itk about the clubs contract dealings it's knowing some of them and seeing him in their company.

Colin has said - while I was there - part of the deal on his transfer was that he repaid United all monies paid to him whilst banned, and I've heard that from someone else.

How do you know the club set the clause low and it wasn't an agreement between them and his agent? The club might have accepted it as we were cost cutting but your suggestion it was the clubs and only the clubs decisionis highley unlikely.

McDonald wouldn't sign a new contract without a low clause. I thought this was an accepted fact?

The money was irrelevant. As usual around that time, we replaced him with inferior players.

The clause was indeed an agreement between the club and his agent. And the club got fleeced: someone was quoted at the time as being surprised by what QPR did.

And McDonald's agent asked for the same because he knew he could fleece the club too.

 

[Woodthorpe blade]

He's at Chorley on loan from Bradford Park Avenue apparently.

Yeah I was joking about Cofie going to Asda. But Bomber was working at Asda in Enfield , north London .

 

[FinchleyBlade]

Man changes jobs for more money at a higher level shocker.

Football is no different to other jobs, all of you would leave if you were offered 5x what you're currently on.

 

[Hodgesleftpeg]

Would you like to clarify which player(s) did not make any errors that season? Or any season, for that matter.

Not really... it's a thread about Paddy Kenny.. I'm putting in my thoughts on Paddy Kenny..

Why don't you start another thread

"Players whose showboating cost us"
(But Paddy Kenny doesn't count as that was a "mistake")

 

[I should coco]

Football is no different to other jobs, all of you would leave if you were offered 5x what you're currently on.

As I've said previously, that's fine and he is free to do that. He just shouldn't expect the red carpet to be rolled out when the prodigal fat twat drug user comes back home.

 

[Sean Thornton]

The money was irrelevant. As usual around that time, we replaced him with inferior players.

The clause was indeed an agreement between the club and his agent. And the club got fleeced: someone was quoted at the time as being surprised by what QPR did.

And McDonald's agent asked for the same because he knew he could fleece the club too.

My points were, Paddy was a liability to the club because of his lifestyle and that you posted the club had set the low but out clause. We're now agreed it was negotiated.

McDonald wouldn't sign without the clause. Full stop. That's the relevant point. He had us over a barrel.

 

[Scooter_mcgavin]

I know a mate that was done for drink driving, stupid as he was.

He worked as a driver, but they offered him a new role on much less wages in the office, which he took.

Once his driving ban was over and he was allowed to drive again, they let him....but his wages stayed the same.

He was then offered a job at a rival truck company on 50% more. He took this.

Did he shit on his employers.... yes. Did he do what 100% of people on this forum would do....Yes.

No difference between the pair IMO.

 

[Revolution]

My points were, Paddy was a liability to the club because of his lifestyle and that you posted the club had set the low but out clause. We're now agreed it was negotiated.

McDonald wouldn't sign without the clause. Full stop. That's the relevant point. He had us over a barrel.

Paddy proved not to be much of a liability to QPR, as it turned out. Maybe that was the effect of moving away from Sheffield.

 

[Geordie Blade]

Not really... it's a thread about Paddy Kenny.. I'm putting in my thoughts on Paddy Kenny..

Why don't you start another thread

"Players whose showboating cost us"
(But Paddy Kenny doesn't count as that was a "mistake")

Right, OK. We'll have to agree to disagree about whether it was a mistake or showboating. It's at 1:16:00 here, if you're interested:

).

Either way, I agree that it was bad and it cost us two points. However, as I said, I'm sure that you could find mistakes (or showboating gone wrong) by any player, including Currie, Deane, etc. The further up the field you play, the more fans tend to forget the errors, which is why strikers and attacking midfielders are invariably the fans' favourites.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Paddy proved not to be much of a liability to QPR, as it turned out. Maybe that was the effect of moving away from Sheffield.

Warmock did him a great favour keeping him away from here as much as he could. As you say, he played well for QPR. He was a very good keeper.

 

[pommpey]

I'll get mine in first so I'm not accused of copying new bezzie mate Tyler Durden .

First time he was sold for the money. I'm sure he wanted to progress his own career, but I think most fans wished him well and just hated Brearly that bit more for not allowing DB to spend all the cash.

Second time he was sold by Charles Green, again for money reasons. He'd never pushed for a move and had dropped a league to help us back up.

Difference is Deano never got a drugs ban, never made a big thing of it and kept his head down. He was welcomed on his third return and I'd happily buy him a pint for the great times he gave me. Kenny lost all of that by pissing off to join Warnock for more money having lied about how much he 'owed' the club for standing by him.

Chalk and cheese in my book.

Drugs ban aside (which I think was irresponsible and stupid of him and in a way, cost us) the citation that 'he made some saves' is directly correspondent that Deano 'scored some goals'.

As you say, Deano moved on to forward his career. Whilst on about 'loyalty', let's not forget he also left us for Leeds, when at the peak of his capabilities as one of the best attackers in the league and a feared component in our front line. He also came back and then left again in the same year almost, again for brighter lights and bigger money., and came back third time for two games and a retirement.

Paddy made some saves, many of them fucking outstanding. As a goalkeeper he was a tremendous insurance policy and with Morgs and an array of back four players made us a fairly good team. I don't deny his ban and his migration was damaging. But its his time on the pitch that matters to me as much as it does Deano, whose (I believe) departure caused us far more grief than Paddy's did. Both are Blades Legends in my book.

pommpey

 

[I should coco]

But its his time on the pitch that matters to me as much as it does Deano, whose (I believe) departure caused us far more grief than Paddy's did

A good point that losing Deano cost us, but don't forget that Kenny was replaced by Simmo for 2010. I think in the longer run that cost us far more!

Both are Blades Legends in my book.

One is and the other wouldn't even make my shitrag-Sun football annual.

 

[elgoog44]

I always liked Paddy, and to be fair QPR met the release clause after that it was pretty much done deal that he would leave regardless of the faith Sheffield United put in him, Warnock probably had a bunch of cakes delivered to his house as literally a sweetener..

A picture that is a little unfair on Paddy but Hay Ho....

 

[pommpey]

A good point that losing Deano cost us, but don't forget that Kenny was replaced by Simmo for 2010. I think in the longer run that cost us far more!

I'd like to think that Paddy would have put that penalty away.

One is and the other wouldn't even make my shitrag-Sun football annual.

There was a time when I was fiercley anti-Deano on here and I'll admit, it was possibly misguided and wrong. The fucking goals he scored for us made a period of my time supporting the Blades a very happy one, and he was a great servant to the club and its fans. Similarly, Paddy was one of a squad of players who made every game I managed to watch a memorable one and the feeling of team ethos and spirit since those pretty good days hasn't been there until the Wilder period. And, like Fatty Pressman who was another underrated keeper IMHO, for a tubster he couldn't half put ninety minutes in and keep out the opposition.

pommpey

 

[Robby Blade]

It's in the paper today

Found it if anyone's interested. It's under breaking news. ☺

 

[I should coco]

There was a time when I was fiercley anti-Deano on here and I'll admit, it was possibly misguided and wrong

I've been on here a couple of years and that's the first time I've seen you admit to being wrong.

There is hope for you yet, my son!

 

[Revolution]

A good point that losing Deano cost us, but don't forget that Kenny was replaced by Simmo for 2010. I think in the longer run that cost us far more!.

I disagree. We were relegated the season after selling Deano by the narrowest of margins, and he was the main reason we hadn't gone down in the previous season (and in 1991, not so much 1992 which was more of a team effort). That relegation resulted in a 12 year spell in the league below.

Simonsen came in towards the end of the first season without Kenny (when he was suspended), and he was one of a number of factors contributing to relegation the season after, not the main one. Plus that resulted in a 6 year exile from the league above, not 12.

 

[Dkc]

"Say what you like about OJ Simpson but I prefer to remember him as a competent half-back for the Buffalo Bills in the early/mid 1970's who later found moderate success as an actor"......

Say what you like about Adolf Hitler, but I prefer to remember him as an astute politician who was also a decent amateur painter

 

[Revolution]

And, like Fatty Pressman who was another underrated keeper IMHO, for a tubster he couldn't half put ninety minutes in and keep out the opposition.

pommpey

I always said that one of the reasons why we were able to hang on to Kenny so long was that he didn't look like what people thought a good keeper should look like, even though he was, and that put teams off trying to sign him. Warnock, to give him credit, knew better.

Gabor Kiraly of Hungary, who looks like someone's Dad playing a game in an emergency 10 years after he last played, is another example of a keeper underrated due to his appearance.

 

[Grappler]

I'm 54 later this month but I don't suppose I'll be growing up anytmey soon.

Actually I find that the some of the wankier Blades on here do tend to make an impression on me too, although somewhat less positive.

Youngster........

 

[Grappler]

He is a nice bloke, but he ended up a liability to the club because he carried on knocking around with the same Sheffield people he was when he was taking that cough syrup. And that's not pretending to be itk about the clubs contract dealings it's knowing some of them and seeing him in their company.

Colin has said - while I was there - part of the deal on his transfer was that he repaid United all monies paid to him whilst banned, and I've heard that from someone else.

How do you know the club set the clause low and it wasn't an agreement between them and his agent? The club might have accepted it as we were cost cutting but your suggestion it was the clubs and only the clubs decisionis highley unlikely.

McDonald wouldn't sign a new contract without a low clause. I thought this was an accepted fact?

It's this, highlighted in bold.

I have said it a few times on other threads, in a more polite way. I usually just say, "Paddy had to leave Sheffield", and leave it at that.

I always thought Paddy was a character and part of a team of characters who took us up to the Premier League. The season we went up, we never went below second place from memory, and some of that is due to Paddy Kenny.

 

[mancunianblade]

It's in the paper today

Then I retract it.

 

[I should coco]

I disagree. We were relegated the season after selling Deano by the narrowest of margins, and he was the main reason we hadn't gone down in the previous season (and in 1991, not so much 1992 which was more of a team effort). That relegation resulted in a 12 year spell in the league below.

Simonsen came in towards the end of the first season without Kenny (when he was suspended), and he was one of a number of factors contributing to relegation the season after, not the main one. Plus that resulted in a 6 year exile from the league above, not 12.

In terms of numbers of years from the higher division we'd been in, then you are correct.

In terms of financial loss, I suspect with today's much higher wages, the 6 years in L1 cost us more in annual losses than the 12 in the Championship.

In terms of sheer pain, our history has been one of moving between the top and second levels. We'd previously only had 6 years out of these so the 'Simonsen inspired' spell doubled this. It also indirectly led to Adkins and some of the worst performances in living memory.

 

[Revolution]

In terms of numbers of years from the higher division we'd been in, then you are correct.

In terms of financial loss, I suspect with today's much higher wages, the 6 years in L1 cost us more in annual losses than the 12 in the Championship.

In terms of sheer pain, our history has been one of moving between the top and second levels. We'd previously only had 6 years out of these so the 'Simonsen inspired' spell doubled this. It also indirectly led to Adkins and some of the worst performances in living memory.

Well, speaking personally, out of everything we've had to put up with I've never felt worse as a Blade than I did at Chelsea in 1994. That was due to the sale of Deano, no question.