Merry Christmas Pinchy

[georgebernardshaw]

ive reverent john motson and the only timepiece been in the commentators box was during an open day at the lane

Hats off to you though

Could you put that in English?

 

[Barney]

ive never met john motson and the only time I've been in the commentators box was during an open day at the lane

Hats off to you though

Judge III by any chance?

 

[Bert]

When motty said something nice about Currie ? No ,were you ?
Did he have his sheepskin on ?

This can only mean one thing. Blades Mad is playing up again.

 

[Sirius]

This can only mean one thing. Blades Mad is playing up again.

One thing's for sure. There are some good posters, I nearly said posers from B M but a small minority seem hell bent on fucking this forum up

 

[Bert]

There's a difference between being booted all over the park and marked/played out of the game and having the ball taken off you on your second, fleeting touch. If Bert thinks Currie would be able to play in the same game as Matic or Toure then pommpey disagrees.

pommpey

Currie is well over 65 now. He'd struggle these days.
However, if he was 25 and as fit as the rest of the Premier League players are now, he'd be just as exceptional as he was then.

 

[Pinchy]

I know you have two rules in your years of posting in here which are
1. Blade Too Long is always right
2. When wrong, look at rule number 1

The rules of grammar and punctuation, on the other hand, are scattered to the four corners, probably by long aimless punts. If ever a literary style were forged in one's preferred style of football, here we have it....

 

[Pinchy]

Currie is well over 65 now. He'd struggle these days.
However, if he was 25 and as fit as the rest of the Premier League players are now, he'd be just as exceptional as he was then.

Of course he would. It's ludicrous to contemplate that the footballers of yesteryear would not attain the same fitness levels as the present day. That has to be assumed in order to make any comparison a worthwhile exercise. The thought of Vinny Jones or Wally Downes, Wally Fucking Downes, getting anywhere near TC....

 

[georgebernardshaw]

The rules of grammar and punctuation, on the other hand, are scattered to the four corners, probably by long aimless punts. If ever a literary style were forged in one's preferred style of football, here we have it....

.....if you use your pass word, clue H--F

 

[Fanny magnet]

Of course he would. It's ludicrous to contemplate that the footballers of yesteryear would not attain the same fitness levels as the present day. That has to be assumed in order to make any comparison a worthwhile exercise. The thought of Vinny Jones or Wally Downes, Wally Fucking Downes, getting anywhere near TC....

at least wally Downes did hotfoot it off to Leeds for a few extra quid

 

[United Aren't Back.]

Of course he would. It's ludicrous to contemplate that the footballers of yesteryear would not attain the same fitness levels as the present day. That has to be assumed in order to make any comparison a worthwhile exercise. The thought of Vinny Jones or Wally Downes, Wally Fucking Downes, getting anywhere near TC....

Why do you need to write fucking in Downes' name?

 

[georgebernardshaw]

Why do you need to write fucking in Downes' name?

It's a gift of his

 

[pommpey]

Currie is well over 65 now. He'd struggle these days.
However, if he was 25 and as fit as the rest of the Premier League players are now, he'd be just as exceptional as he was then.

Bert is funny. To Pinchy, anyway.

If Currie was indeed born in 1992 and underwent the journey into PL football which today's stars have, he'd be under a completely different training and tactics regime, subject to vast competition for his place within the squad, and playing more like Riyad Mahrez than Rodney Marsh.

As pommpey remembers, Currie would be knackered come 80-85 minutes past 1972. He'd covered a lot of pitch, but today's players' dietary, conditioning and fitness regimes and more importantly, the shape of the game would have Currie not doing much of the game we remember him of.

pommpey

 

[Pinchy]

Fair point. Neither of them had the stamina that today's players have though. They might have gone in hard a couple of times a match, today's player - a Nick Montgomery - would be up his arse all 90.

Defensive players like Badger could, I think, adjust to today by getting fitter. I don't know that making a languid ball player fitter would help much. For what it's worth I don't think Le Tissier - the last of that breed of player- would hack it in the top flight now and he only packed it in 10 years or so ago.

Montgomery would be chasing shadows one minute; acting as a training cone the next. He would be embarrassed week-in; week-out. The likes of Le Tissier, Currie, Badger et al would not permit him a touch. He'd be so bewildered he'd not know which planet he was on, let alone which pitch.

Embarrassing, deeply embarrassing analysis and lacking any appreciation of comparative talent and ignoring the essence of the beautiful game that is football, reducing it to an imagination of true artists of football against a shabby artless ragamuffin.

Dear, oh dear, oh dear. Only in S2, the land football forgot. I thank Pele that I don't inhabit the same soulless, dismal football world as you Hoofers. I truly do.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

Regards Tony Currie, Lane legend without doubt but didn't he go to Leeds and when we got relegated to Division 4 was asked his opinion and said something along the lines of "I said the day I left that club I wanted nothing to do with it"

But then came back for a job in the mid 80s when he was down on his luck?

Forgive me if this didn't happen but as a younger man it was what I was told.

 

[TBW57]

Let's not forget that in the 1970s every team had a hatchet man whose main job was to foul and, if possible, hurt the other team's most important player, so as well as taking all the free kicks, throw ins and being available for every pass TC had to be adept at riding the "tackles" that would come at him from the likes of Storey, Harris, Smith and Giles. He was closely marked, in more ways than one, and yet still always made an impact.

One of the marks of a great player is the ability to find time and space on a crowded pitch, and to suddenly appear in a hole with the ball as if there were nobody else around, and then to do something special with it. TC, like Cantona and Zidane, had this ability. I reckon he'd be just as good if he were around now as he was in 1972.

 

[Fanny magnet]

Regards Tony Currie, Lane legend without doubt but didn't he go to Leeds and when we got relegated to Division 4 was asked his opinion and said something along the lines of "I said the day I left that club I wanted nothing to do with it"

But then came back for a job in the mid 80s when he was down on his luck?

Forgive me if this didn't happen but as a younger man it was what I was told.

Before Bassett came to the lane the stands were full of sad men reminiscing about Currie and Woodward like led zepelin fans at at a jason Donovan gig

 

[JJ Sefton]

Montgomery would be chasing shadows one minute; acting as a training cone the next. He would be embarrassed week-in; week-out. The likes of Le Tissier, Currie, Badger et al would not permit him a touch. He'd be so bewildered he'd not know which planet he was on, let alone which pitch.

Embarrassing, deeply embarrassing analysis and lacking any appreciation of comparative talent and ignoring the essence of the beautiful game that is football, reducing it to an imagination of true artists of football against a shabby artless ragamuffin.

Dear, oh dear, oh dear. Only in S2, the land football forgot. I thank Pele that I don't inhabit the same soulless, dismal football world as you Hoofers. I truly do.

Yadda yadda yadda, the same dreary old routine from you.

Monty was a severely limited player, I'd agree, but as a man marker in a five man midfield he often kept far better players, like Steven Gerrard, quiet.

So nuance, light and shade. Actual analysis rather than a boring old 'Look, hoofball!' act. Have the courage to be yourself not this tiresome character you play.

 

[finlaytheblade]

I'd suggest the John Harris years were split into three eras. His initial spell after succeeding Joe Mercer saw him build the '61 promotion team, inheriting some and adding others.
He broke that team up gradually and built a team based on youth which eventually got us relegated.
After the strange interlude of Rowley, he combined the best of the now mature youth products, some of Rowleys signings and some astute additions which culminated in the '71 promotion team and beyond.
Along the way there were ups and downs, it wasn't all sweetness and light a la Pinchy, but the style was always distinguishable if not always effective.
Come the Dave Bassett era, the style was also distinguishable in its own way, but effective nonetheless and after the barren years we'd suffered, the success was both welcome and invigorating.
I've enjoyed both managers in their own different styles, to disrespect either one of these managers is an act treachery or just a fuckin huge wind up....
Best not to bite imho...

Thats how I see it too LSF ,having witnessed All that I now am enjoying what Mr Wilder is building and it gets me just as excited to see it taking shape.
The last 60 years have bee. A roller coaster with fleeting periods of success ,enjoy the latest one which I think is just beginning ,how long will it last ?
history suggests not very long.Maybe this time we might buck the trend and even establish our selves in the premiership,there are a few teams no bigger than us who have done this.
Going back to pinches argument ! its not possible to compare different era's as fitness and sports science has taken sport to a different level,but to say players of the calibre of T C ,Woody ,Le -Tisier , Best and lots more wouldn't cut it takes some be leaving as great footballers would acheave the levels required.
Most of the excitement generated by football takes place in and around the penalty boxes so really it's academic how you acheave that ,I prefer a cultured way of playing but I sure enjoyed the Bassett successfull years,they were so exciting

 

[Snowman]

Before Bassett came to the lane the stands were full of sad men reminiscing about Currie and Woodward like led zepelin fans at at a jason Donovan gig

Let me assure you that there would be NO Led Zeppelin fans at a Jason Donovan show. I wouldn't dignify it with the use of the word "gig", which I reserve for musicians.

Further, some of us sad men were 34 years of age and desperate for success and were very pleased with the aggressive and abrasive style he brought to wake the club up. There are many different ways of playing the game depending on the result you desire or need. Some of us understand that.

 

[seanbeenstattoo]

Before Bassett came to the lane the stands were full of sad men reminiscing about Currie and Woodward like led zepelin fans at at a jason Donovan gig

Oh dear.

 

[HillmortonBlade]

Let me assure you that there would be NO Led Zeppelin fans at a Jason Donovan show. I wouldn't dignify it with the use of the word "gig", which I reserve for musicians.

I saw Jason play Frank N Furter in Sheffield and he was really good. If that adds anything to the debate?

 

[Snowman]

I saw Jason play Frank N Furter in Sheffield and he was really good. If that adds anything to the debate?

I understand he is a very good actor and singist. I apologise for being flippant and confrontational in this post Boxing Day age.

 

[JJ Sefton]

Before Bassett came to the lane the stands were full of sad men reminiscing about Currie and Woodward like led zepelin fans at at a jason Donovan gig

In fairness, I once was at a Jason Donovan gig (Jumpin Jacks in Swansea) and I wish I had seen Led Zep instead.

 

[Pinchy]

Yadda yadda yadda, the same dreary old routine from you.

Monty was a severely limited player, I'd agree, but as a man marker in a five man midfield he often kept far better players, like Steven Gerrard, quiet.

So nuance, light and shade. Actual analysis rather than a boring old 'Look, hoofball!' act. Have the courage to be yourself not this tiresome character you play.

I play a character captivated by the beautiful game of football. It's a vibrant world of colour and drama, punctuated by the awesome skills of artists who paint the grassy canvas with their sublime talent.

You Hoofers inhabit an old episode of Coranation Street: Drab and dreary. It's all you know, because you haven't the true spirit of the game in your hearts. So you refuse to look out of the window upstairs; the one that affords a view of a place beyond the end of your yard. A place where they do magic...and you people never see it.

 

[HillmortonBlade]

I understand he is a very good actor and singist. I apologise for being flippant and confrontational in this post Boxing Day age.

No need to apologise, it was a theatre production, rather than a gig..

But in the post-truth era.. I might have made the whole thing up..

Or not.

 

[Snowman]

I play a character captivated by the beautiful game of football. It's a vibrant world of colour and drama, punctuated by the awesome skills of artists who paint the grassy canvas with their sublime talent.

You Hoofers inhabit an old episode of Coranation Street: Drab and dreary. It's all you know, because you haven't the true spirit of the game in your hearts. So you refuse to look out of the window upstairs; the one that affords a view of a place beyond the end of your yard. A place where they do magic...and you people never see it.

Eh?

 

[pommpey]

Of course he would. It's ludicrous to contemplate that the footballers of yesteryear would not attain the same fitness levels as the present day. That has to be assumed in order to make any comparison a worthwhile exercise. The thought of Vinny Jones or Wally Downes, Wally Fucking Downes, getting anywhere near TC....

But isn't your argument 'they were better than the shit today/ten years ago/twenty years ago'?

In any case, the argument is invalid. Even during the 80s, the game had moved on so much that the likes of the 70s squad would be in deep shit week in week out. If you're arguing 'would TC have been compatible with today's techniques?' Bit of an empty statement, isn't it? Would Joe Shaw? Billy Foulke?

pommpey

 

[Ted Hemsleys chads]

Saw Johnny Wakelin and the Kinshasa band at Tiffanys, Great Yarmouth in 1977 and they mimed to "In Zaire" 8 times before taking a break. Saw Judge Dread at the Top Rank in Sheffield miming his way through Big 6, Big 7 and Big 8. Fucking terrible, but I'd rather go through that again than watch Led Zeppelin.

 

[pommpey]

I saw Jason play Frank N Furter in Sheffield and he was really good. If that adds anything to the debate?

I bumped into him and Marti Pellew in Pinstone Street. Saw him later on that night at the Arena in War of the Worlds.

Great midfielder.

pommpey

 

[JJ Sefton]

I play a character captivated by the beautiful game of football. It's a vibrant world of colour and drama, punctuated by the awesome skills of artists who paint the grassy canvas with their sublime talent.

You Hoofers inhabit an old episode of Coranation Street: Drab and dreary. It's all you know, because you haven't the true spirit of the game in your hearts. So you refuse to look out of the window upstairs; the one that affords a view of a place beyond the end of your yard. A place where they do magic...and you people never see it.

Nope, nowt new there.