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Blade58 said:
Apologies if posted elswhere, but Freeman's apparent signing for Portsmouth is being held up by his "pay-off" negotiations over the remaining 12 months of his contract

http://www.portsmouth.co.uk/sport/football/pompey/pompey-target-in-talks-over-pay-off-1-7420106
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Squeezing us for every last dime, that's Freeman alright.
I remember him turning us down originally because we didn't offer him enough. Then he ended up at Mansfield on loan... chortle.

Good player, lets himself down though. Far too often. Get shut.
 
Freeman's agent is negotiating on behalf of his client, that's life.

Clough and his team agreed wages for the lad and there must be a significant drop in pay if Freeman signs for Pompey. The lad wants us to cushion that blow so that he doesn't have to sit on his contract with us.

We were daft enough to give him his contract in the first place, he's not daft enough to give it up for nothing.

The same scenario exists with Coutts, Hammond, Woolford, K.Wallace, Diego.

J.Wallace has nowhere to go and maybe the others above won't have either.

At the end of the day the settlement figure will reflect how desperate each player is to play regular football next season and not have to turn up at Shirecliffe every day, unwanted and unloved.
 
Won't we be asking for a fee if he's still in contract with us ?
Offer him £100,000 (nearly 2k a week)
Sell him to Portsmouth for £150,000 (which is nothing in today's transfer fee)
Everyone's a winner.
Freeman gets £100,000 + a new contract with Portsmouth.
Portsmouth get the player they rate for a nominal fee.
We get shut of a crap player and £50,000 to spend on painting the bogs in every part of the ground.
It's easy this football negotiation lark.
I'm wasted collecting trolleys at Aldi.
 
I don't think anyone expects Freeman to give it up for nothing Woody

We'll see how desperate he is to want to play first team football. However, as I say, if him/his agent won't compromise then the club have to pay his remaining 12 months either way, so may as well stick him in our reserves until such times that we might be desperate. After all, with the new the loan system rule changes, this might make it a better proposition for us
 
Usually a fee is involved if the buying club are buying a player who the club dont want to sell. I highly doubt were asking for a fee in Freemans case.
 
Good grief, reading the comments on there and the debate about Davies or Freeman for right back anyone would think it was our forum circa 12/18 months ago!

Someone even commented that Doyle and Davies should be first names on the team sheet. Don't think that was lifted from here though :D
 
Broomhall Blade said:
Won't we be asking for a fee if he's still in contract with us ?
Offer him £100,000 (nearly 2k a week)
Sell him to Portsmouth for £150,000 (which is nothing in today's transfer fee)
Everyone's a winner.
Freeman gets £100,000 + a new contract with Portsmouth.
Portsmouth get the player they rate for a nominal fee.
We get shut of a crap player and £50,000 to spend on painting the bogs in every part of the ground.
It's easy this football negotiation lark.
I'm wasted collecting trolleys at Aldi.
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To be fair, most of the trolley collectors I've seen have looked wasted at Aldi.
 
While Im not happy with the situation , freeman is probably going somewhere on lower wages . Just like I had to , to find
a job .
Make him an offer to go and treat the man with a bit of respect , we get rid of a player we dont need , or want .
Hammond is different and just looks a greedy twat
 
Fraggle Blade said:
Wasn't this exactly the same issue when he signed him from Derby and he had to negotiate his "pay off" before he'd sign for us?
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Was about to say the same thing, as that's how I remember it too. With that sort of record any buyer should be hesitant about offering him anything long term.
 
If they want a player in contract, they've got to pay a fee. That's how it works. If they're not prepared to do that then forget it.

Paying off a players contract for him to play for somebody else, as opposed to having him ready when called upon for us is extremely silly.
 



Barney said:
If they want a player in contract, they've got to pay a fee. That's how it works. If they're not prepared to do that then forget it.

Paying off a players contract for him to play for somebody else, as opposed to having him ready when called upon for us is extremely silly.
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Barney. If Freeman is worth £2.5k a week at the size of club interested in him and he is paid £4k a week with us then:

1. Why would Freeman take a £1.5k pay cut when he can draw £4k a week in S2.
2. If Portsmouth think he is worth no more than £2.5k a week then that's all they'll pay. His current wage rates are not their problem to inherit.
3. Why should Pompey pay a fee for the lad if they are the only club who hope to sign him and he's not worth a fee on the open market.
4. Paying Freeman £40k to leave and tear up his contract should make it possible for him to move and it saves us £200k, net £160k.

If Freeman isn't bothered about playing he might just sit on his contract with us. At his age surely not but Coutts just might do exactly that.
 
Woodwardfan said:
Barney. If Freeman is worth £2.5k a week at the size of club interested in him and he is paid £4k a week with us then:

1. Why would Freeman take a £1.5k pay cut when he can draw £4k a week in S2.
2. If Portsmouth think he is worth no more than £2.5k a week then that's all they'll pay. His current wage rates are not their problem to inherit.
3. Why should Pompey pay a fee for the lad if they are the only club who hope to sign him and he's not worth a fee on the open market.
4. Paying Freeman £40k to leave and tear up his contract should make it possible for him to move and it saves us £200k, net £160k.

If Freeman isn't bothered about playing he might just sit on his contract with us. At his age surely not but Coutts just might do exactly that.
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Hold on Woody, bloody hell.

Where are all these figures coming from?
 
Sum reit ballaks bin spouted on ere.

Freeman was our best player for the first heif of last season ... thought dat dunt se much. He's as good as 'back off' Brayford and a damn site cheaper. Freeman is versatile too and can play at left back plus he could slot in at RB if Nrayford has to cover at centre heif.

Freeman must have been on much bigger wages at Derby but he came to us for regular football. Adkins shipped our most consistent player out because some numpty had paid 1.5 mill for a right back and it was demanded by the BDTBL for him to start.

Yor two hats on ere wunt know a decent footballer if he smacked you in the gobb. Let's keep on worshipping back off Brayford (who has been gash sine we brought him back for silly money) whilst we slag off other players dat av dun fuck all wrong. Know nowts.


Stop messin abart .... Gerrit forrard!!!??
 
Barney said:
Hold on Woody, bloody hell.

Where are all these figures coming from?
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Guesses but whether the numbers are a few pounds a week different doesn't alter the financial mechanics of the situation. Also the guesses won't be that far out to worry you.

The bigger effect of encouraging Freeman to leave with a 'sweetener' to make it possible ( and no fee, much to your incredulity), is the leeway it creates in the wage budget for ~Wilder to fund a new signing. Players on contracts transferred out make savings of thousands of pounds a week not having to pay their wages.
 
If I have £500,000 to spend...

A - and I pay Player A £100,000 to leave that leaves me with ................
B - or we keep player on our books who I pay £8,500 a month & after twelve months he leaves... that will leave me with £...... in the biscuit tin?
C - you haven't a clue what i'm talking about.
 
Ollessendro said:
Sum reit ballaks bin spouted on ere.

Freeman was our best player for the first heif of last season ... thought dat dunt se much. He's as good as 'back off' Brayford and a damn site cheaper. Freeman is versatile too and can play at left back plus he could slot in at RB if Nrayford has to cover at centre heif.

Freeman must have been on much bigger wages at Derby but he came to us for regular football. Adkins shipped our most consistent player out because some numpty had paid 1.5 mill for a right back and it was demanded by the BDTBL for him to start.

Yor two hats on ere wunt know a decent footballer if he smacked you in the gobb. Let's keep on worshipping back off Brayford (who has been gash sine we brought him back for silly money) whilst we slag off other players dat av dun fuck all wrong. Know nowts.


Stop messin abart .... Gerrit forrard!!!??
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Pinchers will be sat reading this post like...

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Woodwardfan said:
Barney. If Freeman is worth £2.5k a week at the size of club interested in him and he is paid £4k a week with us then:

1. Why would Freeman take a £1.5k pay cut when he can draw £4k a week in S2.
2. If Portsmouth think he is worth no more than £2.5k a week then that's all they'll pay. His current wage rates are not their problem to inherit.
3. Why should Pompey pay a fee for the lad if they are the only club who hope to sign him and he's not worth a fee on the open market.
4. Paying Freeman £40k to leave and tear up his contract should make it possible for him to move and it saves us £200k, net £160k.

If Freeman isn't bothered about playing he might just sit on his contract with us. At his age surely not but Coutts just might do exactly that.
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Agreed. Freeman wont be happy with the wages that Pompy have offered and want us to top it up for him.
 
Wilder doesn't want him. The loan rules change for this season, so I think we need to negotiate a bit harder on contracts for incoming and outgoing.

I would actually do nothing until mid August.

It's up to him how much effort he puts into pre-season training but I don't see why we should be forking out on his existing contract if he wants to go to Portsmouth.

Wait till August and then see how much he wants money over playing football. It won't be Freeman directly saying this it will be his agent.

No discussion on existing contract with the agent until August. It's in the agent's hands to move him to Portsmouth earlier if he wishes.
 
UnitedBlade said:
Wilder doesn't want him. The loan rules change for this season, so I think we need to negotiate a bit harder on contracts for incoming and outgoing.

I would actually do nothing until mid August.

It's up to him how much effort he puts into pre-season training but I don't see why we should be forking out on his existing contract if he wants to go to Portsmouth.

Wait till August and then see how much he wants money over playing football. It won't be Freeman directly saying this it will be his agent.

No discussion on existing contract with the agent until August. It's in the agent's hands to move him to Portsmouth earlier if he wishes.
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Season long loans are still OK.

Trouble with holding out until August could well be the recruitment of his replacement is left too long.

I'm surprised Portsmouth want him by the way, is it true? He hardly played for them when he was there last season.
 
In my opinion Freeman would be a more than useful player to retain in our squad. He's the right sort of age and is an athletic, energetic sort of player, that appears to fit the bill as the type of player CW is looking to bring in. He can play in both full back positions and could probably do a good job, if pushed further forward into midfield. He never let the team down when he played and was probably our best defender at the start of last season. A player who can play in several positions is a real bonus, as CW states we will have a streamlined squad this season.

Freeman clearly fell out with Adkins when he was dropped, when Brayford returned. However Adkins could still have utilised him at left back and have brought him back at right back when Brayford got injured, if he had not shipped him out to Pompey on loan. It was another bizare Adkins decision to get rid and then end up with Basham and Done as full backs.

It can only be a perceived attitude problem surely, that is the reason for CW discarding him. Come on Wilder, use you undoubted man management skills and get this lad back involved and playing for you. He has real potential and there are others who need to be shown the door far more than him.
 
Barney said:
If they want a player in contract, they've got to pay a fee. That's how it works. If they're not prepared to do that then forget it.

Paying off a players contract for him to play for somebody else, as opposed to having him ready when called upon for us is extremely silly.
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By that reckoning, we wouldn’t be open to someone taking over Dean Hammond’s contract unless they also paid us a fee?


Think you’re living in cloud cuckoo land.


I don’t expect us to make money on the transfer listed players generally. Maybe a nominal fee here and there but pretty certain Hammond and Woolford for example will go for nothing with us also paying up a percentage of their contract.
 
Woodwardfan said:
Season long loans are still OK.

Trouble with holding out until August could well be the recruitment of his replacement is left too long.

I'm surprised Portsmouth want him by the way, is it true? He hardly played for them when he was there last season.
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Yes, season long loans are still available but receiving clubs try to negotiate a reduction in wages and/or the loaning club sometimes tries to get a fee.

Again we should drive as hard a bargain we can get, I don't see why we should subsidise his move to Portsmouth.

Force their hand, does he want to play football or just draw wages from us and play in the U21s on the odd occasion.

Worst case is we are stuck with him until the January window but we should be making agents/players make first moves.

I'm not sure he needs a direct replacement, Wilder will know who his utility players are. Freeman can't be considered as a specialist right back, so we just sacrifice a utility / bench man.

I know this is playing hard ball and I quite like Freeman when he puts a shift in but we have to start pushing the 7 transfer listed players out the door whilst not shoveling money we don't have down their throats..

I'm not sure we'll be able to pull it off for all players but I want us to retain as much money as we can for the players Wilder wants.

UTB
 



UnitedBlade said:
Yes, season long loans are still available but receiving clubs try to negotiate a reduction in wages and/or the loaning club sometimes tries to get a fee.

Again we should drive a hard as bargain we can get, I don't see why we should subsidise his move to Portsmouth.

Force their hand, does he want to play football or just draw wages from us and play in the U21s on the odd occasion.

Worst case is we are stuck with him until the January window but we should be making agents/players make first moves.

I'm not sure he needs a direct replacement, Wilder will know who his utility players are. Freeman can't be considered as a specialist right back, so we just sacrifice a utility / bench man.

I know this is playing hard ball and I quite like Freeman when he puts a shift in but we have to start pushing the 7 transfer listed players out the door whilst not shoveling money we don't have down their throats..

I'm not sure we'll be able to pull it off for all players but I want us to retain as much money as we can for the players Wilder wants.

UTB
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How on earth can Pompey be expected to fork out £4/£5k a week for a full back in League 2.

Will freeman accept a pay drop of £2k a week just to play in L2?

Don't think so. Play hardball all we want.
 
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