He’s already beat him with games to spare.Need to do this after 14 games really. Or at least based on same amout of games
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He’s already beat him with games to spare.Need to do this after 14 games really. Or at least based on same amout of games
Could have added points per game as WildersSheffield Untied appointed Chris Wilder on 6th December after replacing Paul Heckingbottom. Let’s take a look at how he has done in comparison to Hecky.
Heckingbottom Stats (Premier League)
Played: 14
Won: 1 (2-1 vs Wolves)
Drawn: 2 (2-2 vs Everton & Brighton 1-1)
Lost: 11 (Including 0-8 loss against Newcastle and 5-0 against relegation rivals Burnley)
Win rate: 7.1%
Goals scored at home: 7
Goals scored away: 4
Total goals scored: 11
Average goals scored per game: 0.79
Goals conceded at home: 19
Goals conceded away: 20
Total goals conceded: 39
Average goals conceded per game: 2.8
Wilder Stats After Making His Return
Played: 10
Won: 2 (1-0 vs Brentford & Luton 1-3)
Drawn: 2 (1-1 vs Villa & West Ham 2-2)
Lost: 6 (0-5 vs Villa & 2-3 against relegation rivals Luton)
Win rate: 20%
Goals scored at home: 5
Goals scored away: 6
Total goals scored: 11
Average goals scored per game: 1.1
Goals conceded at home: 12
Goals conceded away: 9
Average goals conceded per game: 2.1
Total goals conceded: 21
Took some time to get all these stats together, but hope it gives you an insight into how Wilder has done since replacing Hecky. What are your thoughts?
Check out the person who has no idea how to validly compare and contrast stats.He’s already beat him with games to spare.
More points in less games. It’s fairly straight forward.Check out the person who has no idea how to validly compare and contrast stats.
Ahh, but quantitative data isn't worth much without qualitative data to add perspective. What needs to be taken into account is the shit sandwich hecky had to bite into by losing his two best players without having the time to recruit and bed in replacements before the season started. Would a team led by wilder have performed better under those circumstances? Stats mean diddly squat without perspective so for me comparing hecky's first 14 games with wilder's first ten, based purely on stats, is misleading.More points in less games. It’s fairly straight forward.
But I do await your response.
Would Wilder been put in that situation is the real questionAhh, but quantitative data isn't worth much without qualitative data to add perspective. What needs to be taken into account is the shit sandwich hecky had to bite into by losing his two best players without having the time to recruit and bed in replacements before the season started. Would a team led by wilder have performed better under those circumstances? Stats mean diddly squat without perspective so for me comparing hecky's first 14 games with wilder's first ten, based purely on stats, is misleading.
And one we will never know the answer to. I dont thi k its healthy wallowing on the past anyway, onwards and upwards for me. Lets hope wilder sorts us out.Would Wilder been put in that situation is the real question
I mean he was in the trenches in our second season in the Prem and he left out the back door so maybe notWilder would be the one you want in the trenches
Ahh, but quantitative data isn't worth much without qualitative data to add perspective. What needs to be taken into account is the shit sandwich hecky had to bite into by losing his two best players without having the time to recruit and bed in replacements before the season started. Would a team led by wilder have performed better under those circumstances? Stats mean diddly squat without perspective so for me comparing hecky's first 14 games with wilder's first ten, based purely on stats, is misleading.
Did Wilder have either of those players for his stats? He took over a team that Burley had just dicked 5-0.
It probably is misleading, I think we've been worthy of even more points in that 10 game span.
I’ve seen bias in my time but wow I am more impressed than anything. I don’t even want to mention he was the recruitment / injuries / fitness levels / players like McAtee saying how they now have a defensive structure when Wilder was there. I could go into detail but I feel with what you’ve said it would be wasted.Ahh, but quantitative data isn't worth much without qualitative data to add perspective. What needs to be taken into account is the shit sandwich hecky had to bite into by losing his two best players without having the time to recruit and bed in replacements before the season started. Would a team led by wilder have performed better under those circumstances? Stats mean diddly squat without perspective so for me comparing hecky's first 14 games with wilder's first ten, based purely on stats, is misleading.
Who said I wasnt happy? You're just on here for an argument. I was merely stating facts that should be considered when evaluating those stats that were presented. Talking of bias though, the only one showing it, when comparing me and you in this thread, is you. Grow up and focus on the future, there's a good lad/lass/thing (delete as appropriate).I’ve seen bias in my time but wow I am more impressed than anything. I don’t even want to mention he was the recruitment / injuries / fitness levels / players like McAtee saying how they now have a defensive structure when Wilder was there. I could go into detail but I feel with what you’ve said it would be wasted.
Unfo rtunately for you Wilder is far superior and has proven it comfortably already. You should be happy that results and performances have improved vastly?
Who was to say the team wouldn't have bounced back after the Burnley game? We'll never know. Anyway shall we all move forwards now instead of people griping about the past?Did Wilder have either of those players for his stats? He took over a team that Burley had just dicked 5-0.
It probably is misleading, I think we've been worthy of even more points in that 10 game span.
Spot on pal. Comparing in this instance is pointless and can't be done accurately.To be honest you cant compare, even if you were to replay the same league games again under different managers, there would be variances like player form, ref decisions, weather etc
The only thing I think you can measure it on is what we see, and I didnt want CW back, but for me the main differences are
Vini been played in the right place has shown him to be a poor mans Rodri, but thats good enough for us
Archer, McB, Brewster, Osula seem to be rotated on fitness and the opposition
Macca has been released and is putting in MOM performances
BBD has outdone any expectation
Crowd are back onside
The apathy that accompanied every goal has gone, I see us able to rebound
We are capable of attacking, and scoring goals
Theres a fighting spirit that reflects us Blades fans, thats the minimum we expect
One of the strangest replies I’ve seen on here. I read it a few times and laughed a few times.Who said I wasnt happy? You're just on here for an argument. I was merely stating facts that should be considered when evaluating those stats that were presented. Talking of bias though, the only one showing it, when comparing me and you in this thread, is you. Grow up and focus on the future, there's a good lad/lass/thing (delete as appropriate).
He won’t listenDid Wilder have either of those players for his stats? He took over a team that Burley had just dicked 5-0.
It probably is misleading, I think we've been worthy of even more points in that 10 game span.
Where have I stated we haven't improved since Wilder took over you imbecile? You're either unbelievably stupid or just being deliberately obtuse. I'm going with the former.One of the strangest replies I’ve seen on here. I read it a few times and laughed a few times.
You ignored all the things that would go against Hecky. There no Bias every single Sheffield United supporter who goes to games can see the huge improvement.
Hecky was absolutely dreadful that’s all it is.
If you want to make up subjective “stats” then go ahead but everyone with eyes can see how much better we are.
In reality, you struggle to comprehend the meaning of sentences. Not my fault. Toodle pip.He won’t listen
We’ve only just beat Derby’s record and you’ve gone through and looked at what games we need to win to stay upWilder hasn't faced Brighton in the league yet. But broken down, that is a tough run of fixtures:
- Liverpool
- Brentford
- Chelsea
- Villa
- Luton
- Man City
- West Ham
- Palace
- Villa
- Luton
Hecky = 0.36ppg
Wilder = 0.8ppg
If Wilder maintains 0.8ppg for the final 14 games, we finish on 24points, which won't be enough. Luton are already on 20points.
Remaining games are:
Win the ones in bold and we stay up. Simples
- Brighton (h)
- Wolves (a)
- Arsenal (h)
- Bournemouth (a)
- Man Utd (a)
- Fulham (h)
- Liverpool (a)
- Chelsea (h)
- Brentford (a)
- Burnley (h)
- Newcastle (a)
- Forest (h)
- Everton (a)
- Spurs (h)
Yep... over halfWe’ve only just beat Derby’s record and you’ve gone through and looked at what games we need to win to stay up
Great. Sentence. Structure.In reality, you struggle to comprehend the meaning of sentences. Not my fault. Toodle pip.
He won't be here next year. He'll chuck the towel in again.If my memory is correct then when Wilder walked out the back door, last time, Hecky came in and had a better ppg. It’s pointless comparing these things to prove a point. Wilder has come in and done an ok job. If he keeps us up, he has done an amazing job but it’s next year that he will be properly judged on
I think that is in his mentality but last time he was of the opinion that he was a v special manager and would go on to manage one of the top clubs. We now know that is definitely not the case and I can see him hanging by his finger tips to his job at Bdtbl as it is the best offer on the tableHe won't be here next year. He'll chuck the towel in again.
Why would you even think that we would have a cat in hells chance of getting anything from Brighton or Wolves? Pure Fantasy.Wilder hasn't faced Brighton in the league yet. But broken down, that is a tough run of fixtures:
- Liverpool
- Brentford
- Chelsea
- Villa
- Luton
- Man City
- West Ham
- Palace
- Villa
- Luton
Hecky = 0.36ppg
Wilder = 0.8ppg
If Wilder maintains 0.8ppg for the final 14 games, we finish on 24points, which won't be enough. Luton are already on 20points.
Remaining games are:
Win the ones in bold and we stay up. Simples
- Brighton (h)
- Wolves (a)
- Arsenal (h)
- Bournemouth (a)
- Man Utd (a)
- Fulham (h)
- Liverpool (a)
- Chelsea (h)
- Brentford (a)
- Burnley (h)
- Newcastle (a)
- Forest (h)
- Everton (a)
- Spurs (h)
Why would you even think that we would have a cat in hells chance of getting anything from Brighton or Wolves? Pure Fantasy.
I was not happy to see him re-appointed and would be happy to say cheerio. I reckon he is 2 divisions out of his depth.I think that is in his mentality but last time he was of the opinion that he was a v special manager and would go on to manage one of the top clubs. We now know that is definitely not the case and I can see him hanging by his finger tips to his job at Bdtbl as it is the best offer on the table
But do we want him?
I for one would like him and his ego to leave
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