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SouthportBlade said:
Imagine you worked in an office where redundancy was on the horizon and you knew workforce was getting cut by 50% and if you were ‘lucky’ enough to stay you’d get 50% wage reduction. You wouldn’t give a fuck.
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I agree there's a lack of fight and the mentality of a lot of players is poor but there's a big part missing from this analogy, imagine that same situation but all potential future employers were watching you. Even for completely selfish reasons you would have a go and try to showcase yourself a bit.

I think a lot of players attitudes reflect very poorly on them as professionals, yes we're wank and out classed every week but that isn't an excuse for players to give up. Anel being a prime example, last season I thought he was fantastic and was worried about us being able to keep hold of him. If I were another club looking for a right back last seasons Anel would be a prime target, after seeing his attitude this season I wouldn't go near him.

If I were one of those players who likely won't be here next season I would be beyond caring about results at this point but I would be busting a gut to make sure it wasn't my inept tracking, lazy challenge/running or woeful pass that lead to a goal conceded or failed counter attack.
 

Makes me wonder why 'the management' busted a gut to get promoted, but never had any intention of making a fist of it when they got there....Might as well as stayed in the championship, built a team over say three seasons, that could complete in the top league, then try to get into the Premier League and give it a go. Not surrender from minute one and turn the club into a laughing stock.
 
Guesty said:
That glorious pass out of play in the lead up to their third was another cracking highlight from The Bright Spot.
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That lazy jog after havertz for the 4th another one for The Bright Spot show reel.

Could have done much better on the sixth too.
 
Hull Blade said:
Makes me wonder why 'the management' busted a gut to get promoted, but never had any intention of making a fist of it when they got there....Might as well as stayed in the championship, built a team over say three seasons, that could complete in the top league, then try to get into the Premier League and give it a go. Not surrender from minute one and turn the club into a laughing stock.
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It's well documented elsewhere on this forum that we needed the prem money to 'survive' as a club going forward. Absolutely agree with what you have said though..
 
Jan Age said:
i don’t think we’ve moved on with the rest of the top flight teams and are now something of a football dinosaur.

We have the appearance of a Prem Team but scratch the surface and we are anything but.

An F2 car looks similar to an F1 car but put it in a race with some and you will soon see it’s not.

We have nothing to show that directly impacts what we see on the pitch for spending 3/5 seasons on the prem.

And it’s caught up with us in the most shocking way.

There has been no recruitment plan to keep the rosta fresh and able to compete.

The fitness team have got to be unfit for purpose.

The specialist tacticians are obviously not getting it right. Just look at our shape without the ball … it’s woeful. Defending … non existent… Attack disjointed and one dimensional.

Managerial team not up to the job … cheap option.

I will get some pelters for this but out of all the managers … Slav … yes Slav was trying to bring the club in line with what is now the required standard at the top level … he was bringing top level specialist coaches to his team… he was trying to change the system we are now so weeded to and he was trying to recruit different styles of players.

I don’t think it’s any surprise that the prince severely clamped down when he sacked Slav. I think either Slav told him or he realised just how far off we were and just how much it would cost just to give us a chance to compete and he thought “balls to that”

Once again we take the instant gratification easy option over long term success and we miss the boat putting us way way way behind in the long term.
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Absolutely spot on that mate, I couldn't have put it better myself 👍
 
Like Hecky said recently the rot set in after that gutwrenching defeat at Spurs in September. What confidence we had has been shot since then and Wilder really doesn't know how to change things.
 
Hull Blade said:
Makes me wonder why 'the management' busted a gut to get promoted, but never had any intention of making a fist of it when they got there....Might as well as stayed in the championship, built a team over say three seasons, that could complete in the top league, then try to get into the Premier League and give it a go. Not surrender from minute one and turn the club into a laughing stock.
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Unfortunately that strategy is impossible, the financial inequality between the Championship and the PL means that anyone who looks half decent in the Championship, particularly youngsters will be hoovered up by PL clubs.
 
Chazzer said:
Like Hecky said recently the rot set in after that gutwrenching defeat at Spurs in September. What confidence we had has been shot since then and Wilder really doesn't know how to change things.
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And of course that is partly on Heckingbottom himself.
 
Hull Blade said:
Makes me wonder why 'the management' busted a gut to get promoted, but never had any intention of making a fist of it when they got there....Might as well as stayed in the championship, built a team over say three seasons, that could complete in the top league, then try to get into the Premier League and give it a go. Not surrender from minute one and turn the club into a laughing stock.
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Because we couldn’t afford to go up but couldn’t afford not to go up,if you know what I mean
 
Chazzer said:
Like Hecky said recently the rot set in after that gutwrenching defeat at Spurs in September. What confidence we had has been shot since then and Wilder really doesn't know how to change things.
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Its been said before but you could put Guadiola in charge of our current squad and the result would still be the same, we are by a distance the worst team in the league and the blame for all of this sits squarely at the door of the useless twat who owns us.
 
Paulus said:
Its been said before but you could put Guadiola in charge of our current squad and the result would still be the same, we are by a distance the worst team in the league and the blame for all of this sits squarely at the door of the useless twat who owns us.
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No they wouldn't, because he'd drill them better and not make team selections by pulling names out of a hat whilst pissed.
 
Maurice Maurice said:
Not just tonight but let's break that starting eleven down.

 Grbic. Too early to form an opinion. Looked nervous early on after he signed, looks shell shocked now and who can blame him. Comes into the Premier League and has to play behind the worst defence to ever play at this level. Would Wes be better? He wouldn't be worse.
 Bogle. One of the worst right backs we've ever had. He's slow, he can't read the game, he's soft and he doesn't try to tackle. Runs up and down on occasion but offers nothing. A liability.
Anel. thought he'd make the transition but hasn't, look at Premier League centre halves, they're big and they use that bulk. Anel's like a skinny kid getting bullied by the fast lads. So slow of mind and foot, I thought he'd be one for the future, probably wrong after this season.
Robbo. Very limited player, gives 100%, likes a tackle but strangely enough, not a leader. He sulks (see the Souza incident), doesn't get the players around him at it and looks a bit of a one man wrecking ball.
Trusty. Oh dear, I really wanted to like him. Thought he'd be decent after reading the Brum fans reviews but he's been abysmal. Centre half he's not smart or big enough, left back he's a disaster. I think we bought a lemon here.
McAtee. Not ours, plays for himself when he's in the mood and not what we need when we're struggling.
Norwood. He's done.
Souza. Sorry this doesn't fit the narrative but this lad's been the only bright spot. He cares, he tries and is one of the few with the right attitude. Looks a bit raw but single handedly trying to carry that midfield he doesn't stand a chance.
Davies. A poor Everton let him go for a reason, he's not Premier League standard. He'll run about a but without really doing much. Can't tackle, can't do much really.
Hamer. Think we were all happy to see this lad sign......he's been atrocious. Has bundles of skill but does fuck all. Runs as slow as me, doesn't show for the ball and disappears.
McBurnie. Constantly injured, coming back from an injury, carrying an injury, about to get injured again. Likes a feight but even he's got fuck all to feight about any more.

Bottom line with that lot, compared to limited teams we've had before is attitude. No real leaders in that team, no fight, no heart and losing by 5 or 6 goals doesn't hurt them enough. Wilder said in his interview that 'there's some fragile players in that dressing room' well boo fucking hoo. Winners don't get fragile, they get motivated and they don't hide, this lot hides. Winners use adversity to get stronger, this lot get weaker and on and on it goes.

This season has been a shambles, we don't have many games left and I dread to think what'll happen with this fucking mob of losers. I'd hope one or two have an ounce of pride but I don't think they do. Wouldn't be surprised to see an 8 or 9 nowt before the season's over, how bad's that?
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You've hit the nail on the head there, and I can't disagree with a word of what you have written.

Bogle has been here for 4 seasons now, and I'm still yet to see what the fuss is about. He is average going forward but his defensive work is dross. He is a liability. Last season when we hit a run of dodgy form, we turned it around when Hecky hooked him and Baldock came back in.

The other big problem is half the team don't seem to care. They'll still get paid at the end of the month, and it won't matter to them. I can handle getting beaten by a better side, but watching them go through the motions, getting beaten up every week. Its embarrasing and shameful,
 

Paulus said:
Unfortunately that strategy is impossible, the financial inequality between the Championship and the PL means that anyone who looks half decent in the Championship, particularly youngsters will be hoovered up by PL clubs.
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Very fair comment and persuasive argument. However, telling anyone who looks decent the long term plan might persuade them to hang about to see if it comes off. Unlikely, maybe, but perhaps a model to take on board for future use...I'm amazed that some clubs can hold onto their good young'uns longer than you might think.
 
Booker4 said:
Can I just mention that Burnley spent 98 million this season and are in the same points. Now that is a reason to be dispondent. We are crap, but only by PL standards. Which is crap when you're in the premier but back in the champ, I keep saying this, it's a very different animal. We've got some very good championship players who excelled there before like Trusty and Hamer. We've also got Brooks, Osula, Arblaster, Curtis etc all coming through.

When we got relegated under Hecky before Ndiaye came through but none thought everything will be ok, we've got Ndiaye. Arblaster and Brooks will be quality next season and maybe Peck will be playing a lot, who knows. Some on here need to realise the difference between the leagues is literally like the difference between GCSEs and a taking a PHD, not GCSEs and A level! The PL is set up as the most expensive league in the world.
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Bottom 8 next season we will need to recruit around 10 or more players with 50p and you expect the kids to stand up to the slog of the Championship
 
Maurice Maurice said:
Not just tonight but let's break that starting eleven down.

 Grbic. Too early to form an opinion. Looked nervous early on after he signed, looks shell shocked now and who can blame him. Comes into the Premier League and has to play behind the worst defence to ever play at this level. Would Wes be better? He wouldn't be worse.
 Bogle. One of the worst right backs we've ever had. He's slow, he can't read the game, he's soft and he doesn't try to tackle. Runs up and down on occasion but offers nothing. A liability.
Anel. thought he'd make the transition but hasn't, look at Premier League centre halves, they're big and they use that bulk. Anel's like a skinny kid getting bullied by the fast lads. So slow of mind and foot, I thought he'd be one for the future, probably wrong after this season.
Robbo. Very limited player, gives 100%, likes a tackle but strangely enough, not a leader. He sulks (see the Souza incident), doesn't get the players around him at it and looks a bit of a one man wrecking ball.
Trusty. Oh dear, I really wanted to like him. Thought he'd be decent after reading the Brum fans reviews but he's been abysmal. Centre half he's not smart or big enough, left back he's a disaster. I think we bought a lemon here.
McAtee. Not ours, plays for himself when he's in the mood and not what we need when we're struggling.
Norwood. He's done.
Souza. Sorry this doesn't fit the narrative but this lad's been the only bright spot. He cares, he tries and is one of the few with the right attitude. Looks a bit raw but single handedly trying to carry that midfield he doesn't stand a chance.
Davies. A poor Everton let him go for a reason, he's not Premier League standard. He'll run about a but without really doing much. Can't tackle, can't do much really.
Hamer. Think we were all happy to see this lad sign......he's been atrocious. Has bundles of skill but does fuck all. Runs as slow as me, doesn't show for the ball and disappears.
McBurnie. Constantly injured, coming back from an injury, carrying an injury, about to get injured again. Likes a feight but even he's got fuck all to feight about any more.

Bottom line with that lot, compared to limited teams we've had before is attitude. No real leaders in that team, no fight, no heart and losing by 5 or 6 goals doesn't hurt them enough. Wilder said in his interview that 'there's some fragile players in that dressing room' well boo fucking hoo. Winners don't get fragile, they get motivated and they don't hide, this lot hides. Winners use adversity to get stronger, this lot get weaker and on and on it goes.

This season has been a shambles, we don't have many games left and I dread to think what'll happen with this fucking mob of losers. I'd hope one or two have an ounce of pride but I don't think they do. Wouldn't be surprised to see an 8 or 9 nowt before the season's over, how bad's that?
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A very fair and accurate analysis.
Souza for me could be a future captain. He's often the one trying to rally the troops.Albeit dead ones🙄
 
Maurice Maurice said:
Not just tonight but let's break that starting eleven down.

 Grbic. Too early to form an opinion. Looked nervous early on after he signed, looks shell shocked now and who can blame him. Comes into the Premier League and has to play behind the worst defence to ever play at this level. Would Wes be better? He wouldn't be worse.
 Bogle. One of the worst right backs we've ever had. He's slow, he can't read the game, he's soft and he doesn't try to tackle. Runs up and down on occasion but offers nothing. A liability.
Anel. thought he'd make the transition but hasn't, look at Premier League centre halves, they're big and they use that bulk. Anel's like a skinny kid getting bullied by the fast lads. So slow of mind and foot, I thought he'd be one for the future, probably wrong after this season.
Robbo. Very limited player, gives 100%, likes a tackle but strangely enough, not a leader. He sulks (see the Souza incident), doesn't get the players around him at it and looks a bit of a one man wrecking ball.
Trusty. Oh dear, I really wanted to like him. Thought he'd be decent after reading the Brum fans reviews but he's been abysmal. Centre half he's not smart or big enough, left back he's a disaster. I think we bought a lemon here.
McAtee. Not ours, plays for himself when he's in the mood and not what we need when we're struggling.
Norwood. He's done.
Souza. Sorry this doesn't fit the narrative but this lad's been the only bright spot. He cares, he tries and is one of the few with the right attitude. Looks a bit raw but single handedly trying to carry that midfield he doesn't stand a chance.
Davies. A poor Everton let him go for a reason, he's not Premier League standard. He'll run about a but without really doing much. Can't tackle, can't do much really.
Hamer. Think we were all happy to see this lad sign......he's been atrocious. Has bundles of skill but does fuck all. Runs as slow as me, doesn't show for the ball and disappears.
McBurnie. Constantly injured, coming back from an injury, carrying an injury, about to get injured again. Likes a feight but even he's got fuck all to feight about any more.

Bottom line with that lot, compared to limited teams we've had before is attitude. No real leaders in that team, no fight, no heart and losing by 5 or 6 goals doesn't hurt them enough. Wilder said in his interview that 'there's some fragile players in that dressing room' well boo fucking hoo. Winners don't get fragile, they get motivated and they don't hide, this lot hides. Winners use adversity to get stronger, this lot get weaker and on and on it goes.

This season has been a shambles, we don't have many games left and I dread to think what'll happen with this fucking mob of losers. I'd hope one or two have an ounce of pride but I don't think they do. Wouldn't be surprised to see an 8 or 9 nowt before the season's over, how bad's that?
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Nailed it, 100%.
 
Hamandcheese said:
Regarding the lack of character and leadership, this especially makes a mockery of our decision to sign the bunch of empty foreign non entities that we did. We just disregarded character. They're all wrong, they don't fit in, and none should have been signed, including Souza, maybe especially Souza given the fee and his prominence in the team. Not for a moment has anything looked like working around him in that midfield. This aspect of recruitment was just thoughtless. Piss poor from owner, scouting team and a deferring, passive, clueless manager who just stood by, shrugged his shoulders and let it all happen. It would have been so easy to be so much more competitive. Instead we've plumped for unprecedented humiliation. Hats off to all involved
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Great post.
 
Jan Age said:
i don’t think we’ve moved on with the rest of the top flight teams and are now something of a football dinosaur.

We have the appearance of a Prem Team but scratch the surface and we are anything but.

An F2 car looks similar to an F1 car but put it in a race with some and you will soon see it’s not.

We have nothing to show that directly impacts what we see on the pitch for spending 3/5 seasons on the prem.

And it’s caught up with us in the most shocking way.

There has been no recruitment plan to keep the rosta fresh and able to compete.

The fitness team have got to be unfit for purpose.

The specialist tacticians are obviously not getting it right. Just look at our shape without the ball … it’s woeful. Defending … non existent… Attack disjointed and one dimensional.

Managerial team not up to the job … cheap option.

I will get some pelters for this but out of all the managers … Slav … yes Slav was trying to bring the club in line with what is now the required standard at the top level … he was bringing top level specialist coaches to his team… he was trying to change the system we are now so weeded to and he was trying to recruit different styles of players.

I don’t think it’s any surprise that the prince severely clamped down when he sacked Slav. I think either Slav told him or he realised just how far off we were and just how much it would cost just to give us a chance to compete and he thought “balls to that”

Once again we take the instant gratification easy option over long term success and we miss the boat putting us way way way behind in the long term.
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In hindsight I agree with what you’re saying about Slav. I was a bit conflicted when he left, but that’s largely because I thought Hecky was a backwards step.

Short term, I was wrong there, but I think in the medium to long term, sticking it out with someone like Slav is probably needed to modernise the footballing side of things a bit.
 
Booker4 said:
Can I just mention that Burnley spent 98 million this season and are in the same points. Now that is a reason to be dispondent. We are crap, but only by PL standards. Which is crap when you're in the premier but back in the champ, I keep saying this, it's a very different animal. We've got some very good championship players who excelled there before like Trusty and Hamer. We've also got Brooks, Osula, Arblaster, Curtis etc all coming through.
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Agree with this.
Was arguing with pig mates by text last night (I know, i know :rolleyes: ).

I said that if we played the pigs TOMORROW, we'd hammer them. The gulf is huge etc...
(i'm not sure if we will next season though as we stand to lose 15 players + whoever we sell)

They said "on current form, not a chance".
1 also questioned if the PL was a step too far for Gus Hamer.

👆That is EXACTLY my point.
Hamer was one of the best midfielders in the Championship last season and he's miles away from being good enough for the PL. This is the part they don't grasp.

A 1-legged Gus Hamer would wipe the floor with Bannan, Vaulks etc.

I honestly believe that the current squad we have would finish top 6 in the CH.
We'd probably be sitting 5th behind the current Top 4 (3 of which are PL squads in fairness).

I asked how they think they could beat us tomorrow when they've not been outside the bottom 3 in the Championship all season. Then directed them to Burnley's record breaking season last year and how "good" they are this season.

Arsenal's Right Back doesn't even like football. He cost them £50m to buy and pinged one in the top corner with his weak foot.
Odegaard and Saka are 2 of the best players in the World

Arsenal's last 5 games:
Blades 6-0
Newcastle 4-1
Burnley 5-0
West Ham 6-0
Liverpool 3-1

As hard as it was to take last night, it's actually not that shameful is it. Conceding 5 to Burnley and Brighton was
 
Jan Age said:
i don’t think we’ve moved on with the rest of the top flight teams and are now something of a football dinosaur.

We have the appearance of a Prem Team but scratch the surface and we are anything but.

An F2 car looks similar to an F1 car but put it in a race with some and you will soon see it’s not.

We have nothing to show that directly impacts what we see on the pitch for spending 3/5 seasons on the prem.

And it’s caught up with us in the most shocking way.

There has been no recruitment plan to keep the rosta fresh and able to compete.

The fitness team have got to be unfit for purpose.

The specialist tacticians are obviously not getting it right. Just look at our shape without the ball … it’s woeful. Defending … non existent… Attack disjointed and one dimensional.

Managerial team not up to the job … cheap option.

I will get some pelters for this but out of all the managers … Slav … yes Slav was trying to bring the club in line with what is now the required standard at the top level … he was bringing top level specialist coaches to his team… he was trying to change the system we are now so weeded to and he was trying to recruit different styles of players.

I don’t think it’s any surprise that the prince severely clamped down when he sacked Slav. I think either Slav told him or he realised just how far off we were and just how much it would cost just to give us a chance to compete and he thought “balls to that”

Once again we take the instant gratification easy option over long term success and we miss the boat putting us way way way behind in the long term.
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100% agree. We will go for cheap options again in the summer, I think our team will look a bit like the Wilder team that was first promoted to the championship with a lack of quality but hard working. As you said a dated approach nowadays.

Boro haven’t been up to it this season but I’d quite like someone like Carrick to take us over & rebuild, at least there’s an identity in how they play & a young manager trying to prove himself. The chances of getting Ipswich’s manager etc are farfetched.

Bizarrely despite looking & acting like the worst team the Premiership has ever seen if somehow our team is visited by 3 ghosts in the night & we get something from Bournemouth we’ll be 2nd bottom.

I’ve absolutely no idea how this is still possible 😂
 
Its going to take a whole sale clear out, money pumped into a re-build and managing to stay in the championship for 2 seasons while it happens.
 
Obviously all their confidence has gone, but I wonder if most of these who played under Wilder the first time have thought what's going on?, bringing him back when he couldn't have cared less about us last time and walked, f..k him!
 
Revolution said:
Are you actually watching the shit we are serving up?
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Booker4 is right though Revolution. Bad as we are, and we are absolutely awful at this level, we remain on the same points as Burnley. That's the Burnley that walked the Championship last season, and then strengthened with a £90m net spend.
Whilst I agree it's difficult to see how we might compete next year, those facts above indicate we would likely be in with a decent chance of competing for top 2 or at least top 6.
 
Hull Blade said:
Makes me wonder why 'the management' busted a gut to get promoted, but never had any intention of making a fist of it when they got there....Might as well as stayed in the championship, built a team over say three seasons, that could complete in the top league, then try to get into the Premier League and give it a go. Not surrender from minute one and turn the club into a laughing stock.
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There would have been no money to build a team in the Championship. We weren't able to pay our bills. There would have been a fire sale. We'd have been below the pigs looking at league 1.
 

Booker4 said:
Which is crap when you're in the premier but back in the champ, I keep saying this, it's a very different animal. We've got some very good championship players who excelled there before like Trusty and Hamer. We've also got Brooks, Osula, Arblaster, Curtis etc all coming through.
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This remains to be seen. We had a togetherness coupled with some very able players last season.

We will have a different squad next season and the togetherness disappeared a while ago.
 
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