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jt64 said:
We don't have the budget NOT to take risks next season. Sure fire things at the level we are competing at are incredibly inefficient and expensive
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Getting lost in semantics here.
McB isn't a risk.
We know from experience he's going to be unavailable half the time.
And a lot of the rest he's coming back from injury.
So you can't rely on him + build a team round him.
Likeable lad but not worth a contract.
We've already got Brewster who's not worth his contract due to being unavailable through injury
And no fucker is gonna take him off our hands.
So it's crazy to re-sign another crock in McB when we can let him go.
 

McB is a proven top champ / lower Prem striker, his goal record is average but he brings a lot more than that. Realistically he only starts fully fit somewhere between 1/3 and 1/4 of games a season, but if I was Luton / Forest / Leicester / Soton and starting next season and had Prem money I would gamble on that. 5-10 Prem goals can literally be worth millions.

For a champ side like us that probably doesn’t make sense though. Wages will be precious for us and we can’t carry a 3rd / 4th choice striker on his kind of money, even if reduced.

I really like McBurnie but it’s time for us to shake hands and move on. I wish him the best and - been part of a couple of the best seasons in recent years and I would never blame a player for being injured, they will hate it more than anyone. But sometimes it’s just time.
 
Wilder is saying he wants to keep him if he can sort a deal and is currently talking to his agent
"There’s a lot of talking to be done with Oli and his agent, we have to make sure first and foremost we get him back medically healthy and fit.
“He’s someone who I’d like to have around the place – one of those culture-carriers, good in the changing room and a good example to the younger players.
"Hopefully we come to an agreement and he has a really good pre-season because pre-seasons can be massive for everybody, to set the standard from an attitude point of view and be physically really set up.
"There’s a lot of talking to be done before that.”
 
Do we reckon he will go the full season without getting arrested for something? I had a dream we was down by six at halftime and he windmilled into crowd.
 
bertieblade said:
Wilder is saying he wants to keep him if he can sort a deal and is currently talking to his agent
"There’s a lot of talking to be done with Oli and his agent, we have to make sure first and foremost we get him back medically healthy and fit.
“He’s someone who I’d like to have around the place – one of those culture-carriers, good in the changing room and a good example to the younger players.
"Hopefully we come to an agreement and he has a really good pre-season because pre-seasons can be massive for everybody, to set the standard from an attitude point of view and be physically really set up.
"There’s a lot of talking to be done before that.”
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Oh dear.
Can we afford a "culture-carrier" with his injury record ?
One minute Wilder is saying we need players who are 100% available ...
Next minute he's wanting McB for cultural reasons.
Sounds muddled to me.
 
Mojo said:
Guess this screws any chance he had of going to the Euros. Wonder if it also scuppers getting a move elsewhere
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Not really, as a free agent he can sign for anyone anytime next season, including after the transfer window has closed.
 
Getting rid of McBurnie is the same challenge of getting rid of Wilder.

With the budget we have who are you replacing him with that will be equally or more effective?

If you have a solution then great. But if your solution is Gallagher, one of the higher rated alternatives, then he has scored 3 goals in 22 league games.

So, with no money incoming at end of contract, we have to make sure we have a plan.

It didn't seem the case this previous summer!
 
Champagneblade said:
Getting rid of McBurnie is the same challenge of getting rid of Wilder.

With the budget we have who are you replacing him with that will be equally or more effective?

If you have a solution then great. But if your solution is Gallagher, one of the higher rated alternatives, then he has scored 3 goals in 22 league games.

So, with no money incoming at end of contract, we have to make sure we have a plan.

It didn't seem the case this previous summer!
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There’s this continent called Europe with loads of players who are of the standard we need. Many of them will be free agents. We could look there.

(I know, I know, we have no clue about European scouting)
 
Champagneblade said:
Getting rid of McBurnie is the same challenge of getting rid of Wilder.

With the budget we have who are you replacing him with that will be equally or more effective?

If you have a solution then great. But if your solution is Gallagher, one of the higher rated alternatives, then he has scored 3 goals in 22 league games.

So, with no money incoming at end of contract, we have to make sure we have a plan.

It didn't seem the case this previous summer!
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Gallagher is the next Ashley Ward. Absolute Blades signing. Gerrimin
 
Revolution said:
There’s this continent called Europe with loads of players who are of the standard we need. Many of them will be free agents. We could look there.

(I know, I know, we have no clue about European scouting)
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After this seasons debacle I'd have no faith in our club scouting anyone from outside England.

European market is full of players that would improve us but sadly we'd end up with more like:

  • Souza
  • Traore
  • Slimane
  • Laruoci
  • Grbic

We'd actually have been better of this season if we just let fans pick our signings. We'd have still ended up with Hamer and probably improved on the above.
 
Revolution said:
There’s this continent called Europe with loads of players who are of the standard we need. Many of them will be free agents. We could look there.

(I know, I know, we have no clue about European scouting)
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Our last 5 signings from Europe

Souza £10m Traore £5m Slimane £2m Grbic £2m Larrouci Loan.

When I look at those I would happily not buy from Europe. Brighton are the masters at it but they sign a lot of unknown players for big money that don’t do it and they end up selling for a sizeable loss. But they get more right than not. But there whole club is designed around it. We don’t have the same vision of tools to do so.
 
You'd think with United World we would have some idea about Europe by now but all the evidence suggests not.
 

Sharp as a blade said:
After this seasons debacle I'd have no faith in our club scouting anyone from outside England.

European market is full of players that would improve us but sadly we'd end up with more like:

  • Souza
  • Traore
  • Slimane
  • Laruoci
  • Grbic

We'd actually have been better of this season if we just let fans pick our signings. We'd have still ended up with Hamer and probably improved on the above.
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Even at his inflated fee; that lot or Tommy Doyle?
 
Revolution said:
There’s this continent called Europe with loads of players who are of the standard we need. Many of them will be free agents. We could look there.

(I know, I know, we have no clue about European scouting)
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Good point, but with our European scouting we’d be better off looking at the Rotherham Premier League……
 
Revolution said:
There’s this continent called Europe with loads of players who are of the standard we need. Many of them will be free agents. We could look there.

(I know, I know, we have no clue about European scouting)
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We scouted Grbic from Athletico Madrid

When there’s a goalkeeper 5 miles away in Rotherham that’s better.
 
Champagneblade said:
Getting rid of McBurnie is the same challenge of getting rid of Wilder.

With the budget we have who are you replacing him with that will be equally or more effective?

If you have a solution then great. But if your solution is Gallagher, one of the higher rated alternatives, then he has scored 3 goals in 22 league games.

So, with no money incoming at end of contract, we have to make sure we have a plan.

It didn't seem the case this previous summer!
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Too right champs ! Whoever sanctioned the signings of Larouchi,Slimane and Traore cus expecting them to rip it up in the prem is just ridiculous. all 3 were nieve at best coming from nowhere! These 3 were just not up to prem standards in anyway,good footballers just not ready for the demands both physically technic wise.All three could be handy in the championship! expecting them to do it in the prem was just nieve at best.
Slimani showed he has strengths we can work on.souza and Grbic just not good enough! These two are experienced pro's !
Not really showed anything .
Hopefully with a new scouting net work we can do better this season,with the weaknesses we have a lot is resting on Jamie Hoyland etc.
 
50/50 with McBurnie. I think we need a change up top and he's been hit and miss, but I'm not sure we'll find anyone better. Players like Liam Delap (only 21) and Sam Gallagher get mentioned, but are they any better? Probably not.
 
Keen Blade said:
Getting lost in semantics here.
McB isn't a risk.
We know from experience he's going to be unavailable half the time.
And a lot of the rest he's coming back from injury.
So you can't rely on him + build a team round him.
Likeable lad but not worth a contract.
We've already got Brewster who's not worth his contract due to being unavailable through injury
And no fucker is gonna take him off our hands.
So it's crazy to re-sign another crock in McB when we can let him go.
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Surely it depends on the terms of the contract as to whether McB is worth keeping. We know he will score goals at Championship level when playing so the contract should reflect his availability. Whether he would sign a contract that protects us is a different matter.
Any signing is a risk, so signing someone where we know the full background is a sensible business decision.
 
Ran his contract down again to ensure a signing on fee. Cannot blame him to a certain extent but shows his commitment to the club that pays his wages
 
bertieblade said:
Ran his contract down again to ensure a signing on fee. Cannot blame him to a certain extent but shows his commitment to the club that pays his wages
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Should there be any commitment once the contract has expired? Would clubs show commitment to a player if theyre out of contract and injured for example, and pay them for another year?
It’s all for the birds!
 

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