Is FFP ever going to be applied

[munksyb]

FFP has been touted now since 2011/12 season
And only
Man City charged in February 2023
Everton charged in March 2023

Which in itself is rediculous

When are the sanctions ever going to apply ?

 

[bladesmanluke]

When are the sanctions ever going to apply ?

When we break the rules

 

[Moan? Nope-I saw Longhorn]

When Everton actually get relegated & Citeh can’t mathematically with the league ?

 

[JayGreen17]

It’s really frustrating, it’s about time the cheating was proper;y brought to justice, there is no level plying foeld whilst other teams cheat there way to success.

 

[CPB]

Thing is whilst our survival chances are still low, this mini league we currently have with the bottom 4 does present us with a chance.

However if they did indeed end up deducting Everton 12 points that would bring them very much right back into the frame.

Like many have said though, they will probably end up being deducted points but it will end up being delayed a season or 2 and reduced to like 6 points.

 

[Blademan18891889]

Clubs are just using the covid excuse to great great effect currently, everton should already have a huge deduction. I don't think man city have broke any rules in recent years have they? Aren't all there charges from ages ago which sums it up tbh. Aston villa have been up for 4 seasons now. They 100% must have broken ffp by a fucking fortune. Pretty pointless having it as its not getting enforced.

 

[Pittsburg Blade]

It won’t be enforced because it is making a lot of people wealthy.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Thing is whilst our survival chances are still low, this mini league we currently have with the bottom 4 does present us with a chance.

However if they did indeed end up deducting Everton 12 points that would bring them very much right back into the frame.

Like many have said though, they will probably end up being deducted points but it will end up being delayed a season or 2 and reduced to like 6 points.

The punishment is generally negotiated. I reckon the PL will punish Everton by 6 or 8 points, they are under real pressure to do this due to the government wanting to introduce an independent regulator, so the PL will be keen to show they have teeth and can self govern

But I reckon they’ll ask Everton if they want to points deduction now or next season and I reckon they’ll want to do the punishment asap so it gives Everton a chance.

If Everton are offered a choice you suspect that with 4 really poor teams this season, they would choose to be punished this season.

 

[Sheffsteel]

It won’t be enforced because it is making a lot of people wealthy.

I’m pretty confident it will be enforced otherwise the government will take the power away from them and enforce an independent regulator.

Everton will be the sacrificial lamb to show that the PL take FFP really seriously and they will be made an example of however of course the intention is to be seen to punish Everton, not send them down.

As there appears to be 4 really weak teams this season. Everton might well be agreeable to take their punishment this season.

 

[Tezza1889]

FFP has been touted now since 2011/12 season
And only
Man City charged in February 2023
Everton charged in March 2023

Which in itself is rediculous

When are the sanctions ever going to apply ?

When we breach it?

 

[Nagima]

FIFA and UEFA have not been without scandals or corruption. Based on that it looks like FFP is just a box ticking exercise. There are so many clubs using ploys to appear to be in compliance, to those who aren't really interested in looking.

 

[raul]

The Govt have got a fair bit on atm too....this'll be bottom of their priorities.

 

[derbysufc]

Couldn't give a swizzle myself . Get enough points on the table then we don't have to worry .
As my Mrs always says, those that worry about others issues have no life's of there own !
Football is dominated and corrupt run by numpties in suits and bent.
The very reason Brian clough never got the england managers job , he was the best by a mile but outspoken and bumlickers with far less qualifications were given the job.

 

[Chimpan-A]

I saw on an Everton chat room saying it has been leaked, something like 6 point deduction suspended for 2 seasons, £2m fine, “work with” PL during period of suspended sentence.

Not sure if any truth to that, by the way.

 

[ancientblade]

the powers that be will make sure everton stay in the premier league make no mistake about that as for ffp its a complete joke it was brought in to make things more of a level playing field which is complete b******s hoddle going on tonight about newcastles horrendous injury list ah diddums if their still out in january their saudi owners will just release another 100m to replace em and we wonder why were bottom

 

[WF10BLADE]

More nonsense about the EPL wanting to protect Everton sighs

 

[Tom Bott]

It won’t be enforced because it is making a lot of people wealthy.

The joy that is capitalism, though the 'joy' that is communism is infinitely worse IMO.

We need some form of middleism.

 

[Cyprus Blade]

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[Cyprus Blade]

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

Teams will continually find ways to exploit FFP and the footballing authorities need to start clamping down on these loopholes.

Teams are signing players on 6-8 year contracts so that their astronomical transfer fees can be paid over the length of a contract. So a £100mil player only goes down as a pay out of £12.5mil per year over an 8 year contract. As FFP applies to 3 years this means teams are showing a pay out of £37.5mil instead of £100mil. It's not cheating even though it is.

If the authorities really want to clamp down on FFP then they should say that all clubs must pay transfer fees by the end of three years, regardless of the length of contract of the player. This would see more accurate accounts being provided to FFP, as well as a significant drop in big money transfers and wages. It would also mean that the gaps between small fry like us would close a bit on the so called big boys.

The problem is that the authorities won't dare to do this as they know clubs would kick up a stick.

The Premier League is broken and with every takeover that occurs it becomes worse and worse and soon promotion from the Championship will become pointless and irrelevant unless you get yourself a takeover too.

Sheffield United is run on the money that it generates itself through numerous football related means. We spend what we can afford to spend, as should every club in the country. Despite being among the top 20 most well supported clubs in the country, even in the Championship. Sadly, it's not enough even though we run our club honestly, responsibly and how every club in the country should be run.

 

[Bladesman]

I saw on an Everton chat room saying it has been leaked, something like 6 point deduction suspended for 2 seasons, £2m fine, “work with” PL during period of suspended sentence.

Not sure if any truth to that, by the way.

Believable though.

 

[Tony_Kaufman]

Believable though.

The fines are the thing that piss me off. A club has breached FFP by spending money that they hadn't got and overspending as a result. How is fining them going to change anything? Point deductions hurt more. Unless Everton enter an embargo £2mil is nothing to them.

It's like the West Ham scenario. The winnings for staying in the Premier League doubled the season after we went down. Even after they paid us the £35mil they still walked away with more money as a result.

If it's the Football League then points deduction are never an issue. As soon as it's the Premier League no one gets docked points. It's a joke. The FA have no power over this broken, irresponsible, arrogant corrupt league.

 

[Jon B]

FFP will be applied against the weak.

The likes of Man City's owners can afford the very best lawyers and run litigation on and on until the football authorities go bust.

They would probably accept any fines and pay them out of their petty cash. But deduction of points? No way infidel.

 

[scouseblade]

The PL doesnt enforce the penalty. The independent panel does. The club and the PL can then appeal - usually to CAS but in this case it will stay in the English courts. So even if Everton were docked 6 points suspended fine etc, the FA PL could appeal it. Equally, the PL must be concerned because Leicester, Leeds, Burnley and a couple of others are still not happy from the previous season with Everton and have said they will sue.

Man City is totally different. They should be all means be absolutely totally and utterly f**ked but they have the money and resources to outlast anything or anyone. Therefore I highly doubt they will get anything other than a fine.

 

[MobileBlade]

Teams will continually find ways to exploit FFP and the footballing authorities need to start clamping down on these loopholes.

Teams are signing players on 6-8 year contracts so that their astronomical transfer fees can be paid over the length of a contract. So a £100mil player only goes down as a pay out of £12.5mil per year over an 8 year contract. As FFP applies to 3 years this means teams are showing a pay out of £37.5mil instead of £100mil. It's not cheating even though it is.

If the authorities really want to clamp down on FFP then they should say that all clubs must pay transfer fees by the end of three years, regardless of the length of contract of the player. This would see more accurate accounts being provided to FFP, as well as a significant drop in big money transfers and wages. It would also mean that the gaps between small fry like us would close a bit on the so called big boys.

The rule was changed this year meaning automisation of contracts are now to the length of the contract or a maximum five years which ever is the shortest.

 

[Pegster]

Teams will continually find ways to exploit FFP and the footballing authorities need to start clamping down on these loopholes.

Teams are signing players on 6-8 year contracts so that their astronomical transfer fees can be paid over the length of a contract. So a £100mil player only goes down as a pay out of £12.5mil per year over an 8 year contract. As FFP applies to 3 years this means teams are showing a pay out of £37.5mil instead of £100mil. It's not cheating even though it is.

If the authorities really want to clamp down on FFP then they should say that all clubs must pay transfer fees by the end of three years, regardless of the length of contract of the player. This would see more accurate accounts being provided to FFP, as well as a significant drop in big money transfers and wages. It would also mean that the gaps between small fry like us would close a bit on the so called big boys.

The problem is that the authorities won't dare to do this as they know clubs would kick up a stick.

The Premier League is broken and with every takeover that occurs it becomes worse and worse and soon promotion from the Championship will become pointless and irrelevant unless you get yourself a takeover too.

Sheffield United is run on the money that it generates itself through numerous football related means. We spend what we can afford to spend, as should every club in the country. Despite being among the top 20 most well supported clubs in the country, even in the Championship. Sadly, it's not enough even though we run our club honestly, responsibly and how every club in the country should be run.

Not sure fans of other Championship clubs would agree with the final paragraph .

 

[Ridgeway Blade]

Is there the will of the football authorities to really stop this, either here or throughout Europe? No is the answer. EUFA is only interested in the expansion of European competitions and an eventual Super League. The FA have neither the will or resources to contest many of these things and it takes so long if they do. Legal fees will be colossal.. Clubs like Man City etc can just pack their squad with full internationals and that impacts even more now with the 5 substitutes allowed. We are lucky if we have a full of subs and half of those are probably not match fit.

 

[Selly]

Sheffield United is run on the money that it generates itself through numerous football related means. We spend what we can afford to spend, as should every club in the country.

That's a very rose tinted view - had we not gone up we were in the deep do-do, precisely because we had been spending money we didn't have

 

[bladeinspaceandtime]

The joy that is capitalism, though the 'joy' that is communism is infinitely worse IMO.

We need some form of middleism.

The issue is we don’t have capitalism, we have corporatism with business and government working hand in hand to screw the public.

 

[BLADES1988]

FFP has been touted now since 2011/12 season
And only
Man City charged in February 2023
Everton charged in March 2023

Which in itself is rediculous

When are the sanctions ever going to apply ?

When they stop paying them off, which is never going to happen. Football is rotten from top to bottom, its becoming more obvious now corruption will rear its ugly head, they keep hushing the fact that refs get told what to give and not give by the powers that be, that's probably the tip of the very effing huge iceberg of whats going on.