Idiot's Guide to the 4-4-2 Diamond

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Presuming we will we basically be reverting to 4-4-2 next season. Pretty sure Adkins has said he prefers the diamond. Tried to find out what it is and came across the following (it looks like Hammond would fit right in).

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...balls-in-vogue-formation-the-midfield-diamond

What do Liverpool, Juventus, Swansea City, Lyon, Borussia Dortmund, Sampdoria and Internazionale all have in common this season? They've all played, at least for a small segment of the season, in a 4-4-2 diamond formation. Heck, even Tim Sherwood has tried it with Aston Villa.

It's the fashionable formation of 2015. Managers and coaches see others performing well in a certain shape and decide they'd like to see their team do it all the time—case in point: Brendan Rodgers' obsession with Basel's 3-4-3—and this year, the diamond has made huge strides forward thanks to several key and successful deployments.

The diamond, or 4-3-1-2, has been around for quite some time, but football is a cyclical beast and trends are revived from the wilderness; there are very few "new" elements to the game. Pep Guardiola is hailed as a tactical innovator, but he's been thumbing through the pages of history since he was installed as Barcelona boss, reviving certain approaches and systems from bygone eras to see if they will work.

Every strategy needs tweaking, but it just so happens the state of play—and in particular, the state of midfield and full-back play—lends itself rather graciously to the deployment of the diamond. Players in 2015 have the right tendencies to play it, so it has stuck where others have fallen away.

Juventus are perhaps the flagship case study this year when it comes to making it a success. Not only are they runaway leaders at the top of Serie A, they have one foot in the UEFA Champions League semi-finals, firmly announcing their return to prominence on the European stage.

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Credit: Sky Sports 5


The keys to the formation remain the same as most: even defensive zonal coverage across the pitch, the creation of width and the linking of the three (or four) lines. On paper, it's very simple. In practice, however, it takes a while to perfect.

The diamond essentially demands a front two, which is an immediate zone of discomfort for many teams in the modern era. One-striker formations (such as 4-2-3-1 and 4-3-3) have dominated the horizon for at least half a decade, and some managers are unwilling to play two up front due to the space it could conceivably leave in midfield.

But the diamond sacrifices natural width (no wingers) in favour of two strikers and four central midfielders. It tasks every player outside of the anchor midfielder and the two centre-backs to create width by darting wide.

This works both offensively and defensively, and it demands tactical intuition and smarts from the players. The full-backs sear forward in attack and play a near byline-to-byline role, holding the width up and down the pitch and providing crosses for the strikers. The outside central midfielders (shuttlers) must dart out to join them and create numerical overloads while also covering the gaps the full-backs leave if necessary.



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@stighefootball


The anchor midfielder will rarely, if ever, surge forward, often sitting in front of the centre-backs or slotting in between them to allow them to push out to a temporary back three. Balance, and even zonal coverage, is key.

The outside central midfielders have to be pure athletes; the amount of running (with and without the ball) and fanning wide they have to dooff the ball to protect their full-backs is remarkable. Juventus have Paul Pogba, Claudio Marchisio, Arturo Vidal, Roberto Pereyra and Kwadwo Asamoah. Massimiliano Allegri has merely accepted he has the players made for the system and put it into place at Juventus Stadium.

That protection of the full-backs is mightily important. When the diamond defends, the deeper three midfielders fan out into a flatter line and the wider CMs move all the way out to track opposing full-backs and stop two-on-one overloads against their own defenders. If they're able to intercept and grab it, they'll immediately dribble north and initiate a counter.


ffd1ca987da865e0e151fcb45d655942_original.jpg


@stighefootball


While the shuttlers' roles are almost always the same, there's some variation to be found in the others. Juventus play a defensive No. 10 in Pereyra, but Liverpool utilised a wonderful, creative type in Philippe Coutinho last year. Sherwood uses Jack Grealish, a player more akin to Coutinho, but Dortmund have sometimes used Henrikh Mkhitaryan, who will run, press and harass as well as create.

In the anchor role, Juve switch between Marchisio and Andrea Pirlo, with the difference in the two players speaking for itself. Swansea use a mediator in the form of Ki Sung-Yueng or Jack Cork, while Lyon use true anchor Maxime Gonalons or Corentin Tolisso, who does a bit of everything well.

The diamond is always at its best on the counter-attack, as, like an accordion, it shrinks during the defensive phase then expands outward going forward. It encourages high-quality transition football—something Liverpool perfected in 2013-14 under Brendan Rodgers—with players in the mould of Jordan Henderson dealing out great amounts of damage within it.

Therefore, it encourages quicker, niftier attackers. Juve have used Carlos Tevez and Alvaro Morata (one drops in to collect passes; one uses immense movement to hit the channels and stretch the opposition), while Liverpool's Daniel Sturridge-Luis Suarezcombination was fearsome to say the least.

Rodgers tried to marry Mario Balotelli with Sturridge early this season, but the experiment was forcibly ended by injury. There's a place for target man if used correctly—Fernando Llorente is serviceable in the system—but it's easier with two smaller men who are happy to flit about and play an inventive game.

The formation, on paper, looks entirely unbalanced due to the lack of wingers, and it also looks as though the full-backs will be ripe for exposure. But the system operates differently in every phase, and a good diamond will protect itself in every situation, pulling bodies around to cover gaps before intercepting and exploding forward.

There's rarely a dull game when one team is playing a diamond, and it's becoming more and more popular after several very successful executions of it. We could feasibly see two teams, Juventus and Lyon, win their respective domestic leagues with it in 2014-15, and Liverpool came oh so close last year.

Ligue 1 has opened its eyes to the diamond after sticking steadfastly to the 4-2-3-1 for a number of years, and it won't surprise to see more divisions follow suit. The knock-on effect will become an interesting study. Will it seal the true return of strike partnerships at the top level?
 

Another one - this time with videos if I've sorted out the links

http://www.eachgameasitcomes.com/coaching-4-4-2-diamond-formation/

“Players win football matches, not formations”…

I actually thought the above memorable quotation was from a top football manager, and not, with all due respect, to Scottish footballer David Weir when defending the under fire national boss Craig Levein for his striker-less system. But alas, it is only Weir I can find on a world famous internet search engine. I think the comment is absolutely correct; you can play any formation you want, but if you don’t have the players to execute the tactics, you’re not going to win football matches. Having said that, putting players into positions that make them most effective does, in my opinion, make a massive difference.

English football has had a long affinity with 4-4-2, and although at the top level clubs are becoming slightly more imaginative (at least most have moved on to 4-2-3-1, which is really 4-4-2 with a no.10 rather than two strikers), at the level I play and coach at, you move away from 4-4-2 and you’ve got a ready made excuse for why the team failed to win – “we know 4-4-2, it’s the most effective…etc…etc…”. Typically unimaginative footballer speak.

The problem with sticking to a formation no matter what, is the old adage of square pegs in round holes. Someone has to play wide when in reality it’s not their strongest position. Is the player a bit weak? Stick them at full back where they’re not going to cause a problem. The fact is, the game has moved on.

When the manager of the team I’m currently coaching and I sat down in pre-season, we looked at a team that had mostly played a version of 4-4-2 or 4-5-1 the previous season. The issue with this is that in reality, there were few genuine wide players in the squad, and the one player who we considered could play there had shown to be a more than capable striker. We had full backs that appeared keen to attack, and a large number of central midfielders, one of whom, probably the best ball player in the squad, had been marooned out on the left wing for most of the previous season.

This left us with two formations that we thought would suit the squad we had most effectively; 3-5-2, or 4-4-2 with a diamond in midfield. The squad we had in pre-season was a little light also for centre-backs, so we put the three at the back formation on the back burner, and decided to introduce the diamond formation.

THE 4-4-2 DIAMOND FORMATION:

The first time I remember seeing this formation in action was back in the early to mid 1990s, when Watford under the stewardship of Glenn Roeder employed the formation for similar reason to the team I’m coaching – a surplus of decent central midfielders in a squad lacking some real width. More recently, it was one of the tactics Liverpool used successfully last season, most memorably in a thoroughly dominant 3-0 win at their great rivals Manchester United. More recently, the formation was also used in the World Cup by various teams including The Netherlands, and their coach Louis Van Gaal has also used it this season in his new role at Old Trafford. Also of course, Roy Hodgson has seen it as the best solution for the current players at his disposal for England, although I for one am unconvinced that Jack Wilshere’s best position is in front of the back four.

The first time I remember seeing this formation in action was back in the early to mid 1990s, when Watford under the stewardship of Glenn Roeder employed the formation for similar reason to the team I’m coaching – a surplus of decent central midfielders in a squad lacking some real width. More recently, it was one of the tactics Liverpool used successfully last season, most memorably in a thoroughly dominant 3-0 win at their great rivals Manchester United. More recently, the formation was also used in the World Cup by various teams including The Netherlands, and their coach Louis Van Gaal has also used it this season in his new role at Old Trafford. Also of course, Roy Hodgson has seen it as the best solution for the current players at his disposal for England, although I for one am unconvinced that Jack Wilshere’s best position is in front of the back four.

However, I digress. Let’s firstly look at the potential strengths and weaknesses of the formation – I say potential as, of course, it all depends on the players you have available.

STRENGTHS OF THE 4-4-2 DIAMOND FORMATION:

A back four which a lot of defender feel comfortable in
A very strong spine of the team from goalkeeper, two centre backs, four central midfielders and two strikers
Extra protection in front of the back four in the shape of a defensive midfielder – this can often prevent the opposition no.10 from playing
In the centre of midfield you usually have an overload – 4 v 3 or even 4 v 2
The licence for attacking full backs to be able to push on from deep
Accommodation for two strikers and a no.10 (attacking midfielder or deep lying striker)
WEAKNESSES OF THE 4-4-2 DIAMOND FORMATION:

The most obvious is the lack of width – full backs can get overloaded against a team playing with full back and wingers
Similarly, you are relying on our full backs to be your attacking width
Space in behind attacking full backs can drag central players out of position
The two central midfielders have a lot of shuttling to do so need to be extremely fit
The full backs are effectively wing backs so again need to be extremely fit
INDIVIDUAL PLAYER ROLES IN THE 4-4-2 DIAMOND FORMATION:

As already discussed, to make a formation work, you need the players to perform the various roles both defensively and offensively. We take a look at the individual responsibilities for each player below.

GOALKEEPER:

Other than the standard requirements of a good goalkeeper, the goalkeeper needs to distribute the ball effectively. The team requires patience to switch the ball from side to side to find the right times to play, so a goalkeeper confident with the ball at their feet, who can receive a pass back from an outfield player under pressure and effectively switch it to someone else is a real asset.

FULL BACK:

As already discussed, the two full backs need to be extremely fit. They need to be able to get up and down, from forming a solid back line, to providing as much width as possible when the team is looking to penetrate the opposition defence. When there is the opportunity, they should also be looking to overlap and get crosses into the box. This can become extremely exhausting when the ball is being switched from side to side a lot, as when the ball is in the possession of the opponents on the opposite side of the pitch, the full back has to look to tuck in at the far post defensively.

CENTRE BACK:

The modern centre back should be confident in possession and be looking to receive the ball both from their goalkeeper and back from one of their midfielders looking to recycle the ball. They are also the insurance cover for full backs who have been caught further forward, needing to drop wide to cover while ensuring the defensive midfielder has dropped in to cover them.

DEFENSIVE MIDFIELDER:

This is a key player in the formation. Defensively, can provide extra cover in front of the back four and also drop in to the back four should either of the centre backs get dragged wide. Good positioning can also reduce the pockets of space that an opposition no.10 could find to cause problems. Offensively, this player is often the chief recycler – looking to receive the ball from one side of the pitch and switch it to the opposite side. With this in mind, a player who is an excellent reader of the game, positionally disciplined, and a good “talker” should play this role particularly well.

CENTRAL MIDFIELDERS:

These two players, similar to the full backs, have to be extremely fit. Defensively, they have a shuttling role from side to side which can offer extra protection to the full backs, which as already discussed, can be a potential area of weakness. With this covering role in mind, they also have to remain positionally disciplined so as not to be dragged into areas where they are not needed and therefore leaving gaps. Going forward, they can look to break into wide areas in front of their full backs where there may be space, particularly if the opposition decide to defend narrowly to counter the strength in central areas.

ATTACKING MIDFIELDER/NO.10:

Defensively, this player has to provide support to the other three midfielders, dropping in to create overloads in central areas. They should then look to find space between the opposition lines to create opportunities in the final third. Where the opposition try to squeeze the play high up the pitch, the no.10 should also look to make runs from deep to break beyond the two strikers. Overall the player should be an intelligent footballer – good at finding and creating space, patient in finding the right opportunities to play the correct ball, and also disciplined in their defensive responsibilities.

STRIKERS:

The best teams defend from the front, so the strikers are key to this. Depending on how aggressively you decide you want the team to press will define the positioning of the two strikers defensively, however either way they should be looking to deflect the opponents possession towards central areas. Key to this is stop the opposition playing to their full backs – this doesn’t necessarily mean they go and mark them, however their positioning should make passes out to the full backs as difficult as possible.

In possession, one or other of the strikers can offer an “out ball”, usually a longer pass hit over the opponent full back’s head into the wide channels. Similarly, another out ball is one played longer into the striker for them to hold up while facing their own goal, and then bringing others into play. Either way, they should be protecting possession of the ball otherwise the defence is immediately under pressure again. Positionally they should be looking to make the pitch as large as possible, stretching the opposition back line. In the final third, their movement should be positive and dynamic to create opportunities for combination play in and around the box.

TACTICS – KEY PRINCIPLES WHEN OUT OF POSSESSION:

See the enclosed video for some thoughts when out of possession or defending in the 4-4-2 diamond formation.



As with all tactics, when out of possession the key thing is to make the pitch as compact as possible. This is even more important with this formation where the biggest potential weakness is in wide areas. Right from the front, the team is trying to force play into the central congested areas. When this isn’t possible, the centre of the players shuttle across in a compact unit, and when the play is stretched (such as the ball over the top into wide channels), the key is to delay the play to enable recovery, and try and force play either sideways or backwards. Finally, when possession is regained, it is important to keep the ball – the first pass is therefore crucial. An opportunity to break quickly at a disorganised defence should also exploited.

TACTICS – KEY PRINCIPLES WHEN IN POSSESSION:

See another video here where we explore the 4-4-2 diamond formation when in possession, playing from the back.



Again, the key principle here is the same as with any formation, trying to make the pitch as big as possible. You can see the key roles of the full backs in providing the width in this example. The formation allows overloads to be created all over the pitch, and this is what the team should be trying to do to allow play to move up the pitch. When further forward, patience is important, finding the right opportunity for quick passing to break down the defence. This will involve moving the ball across the width of the pitch until the opposition defence leaves a gap to exploit.
 
William Henry you've become a bit of an expert on the old 'bullet point' method.

May I suggest you adopt this on a regular basis?
 
No, Dean Hammond apparently. He must be the only Blade I've ever heard to try and warrant playing both Sammon and Hammond, how can anyone take that seriously?

That's because we lack the remarkable insight needed to understand and appreciate those subtle, hidden talents that only they can provide, being the mere mortals that we are.....
 
You think that's bad - wait till my end of season review/school report hits the forum next week. A sure fire way to get you all to sleep

Fear not though i will lost in installments - like mini sleeping tablets

Just got to actually write it!
 
As games progress formations often disappears only to reappear at kick offs. Goals often change patterns and formations. Theres a fair bit between keeping formations in league one and serie A. You can take any game and freeze picture and players positions will more often be random than planned formation. Looking forward to Deadbats season orbituary.
 
Presuming we will we basically be reverting to 4-4-2 next season. Pretty sure Adkins has said he prefers the diamond. Tried to find out what it is and came across the following (it looks like Hammond would fit right in).

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...balls-in-vogue-formation-the-midfield-diamond

What do Liverpool, Juventus, Swansea City, Lyon, Borussia Dortmund, Sampdoria and Internazionale all have in common this season? They've all played, at least for a small segment of the season, in a 4-4-2 diamond formation. Heck, even Tim Sherwood has tried it with Aston Villa.

It's the fashionable formation of 2015. Managers and coaches see others performing well in a certain shape and decide they'd like to see their team do it all the time—case in point: Brendan Rodgers' obsession with Basel's 3-4-3—and this year, the diamond has made huge strides forward thanks to several key and successful deployments.

The diamond, or 4-3-1-2, has been around for quite some time, but football is a cyclical beast and trends are revived from the wilderness; there are very few "new" elements to the game. Pep Guardiola is hailed as a tactical innovator, but he's been thumbing through the pages of history since he was installed as Barcelona boss, reviving certain approaches and systems from bygone eras to see if they will work.

Every strategy needs tweaking, but it just so happens the state of play—and in particular, the state of midfield and full-back play—lends itself rather graciously to the deployment of the diamond. Players in 2015 have the right tendencies to play it, so it has stuck where others have fallen away.

Juventus are perhaps the flagship case study this year when it comes to making it a success. Not only are they runaway leaders at the top of Serie A, they have one foot in the UEFA Champions League semi-finals, firmly announcing their return to prominence on the European stage.

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Credit: Sky Sports 5


The keys to the formation remain the same as most: even defensive zonal coverage across the pitch, the creation of width and the linking of the three (or four) lines. On paper, it's very simple. In practice, however, it takes a while to perfect.

The diamond essentially demands a front two, which is an immediate zone of discomfort for many teams in the modern era. One-striker formations (such as 4-2-3-1 and 4-3-3) have dominated the horizon for at least half a decade, and some managers are unwilling to play two up front due to the space it could conceivably leave in midfield.

But the diamond sacrifices natural width (no wingers) in favour of two strikers and four central midfielders. It tasks every player outside of the anchor midfielder and the two centre-backs to create width by darting wide.

This works both offensively and defensively, and it demands tactical intuition and smarts from the players. The full-backs sear forward in attack and play a near byline-to-byline role, holding the width up and down the pitch and providing crosses for the strikers. The outside central midfielders (shuttlers) must dart out to join them and create numerical overloads while also covering the gaps the full-backs leave if necessary.



41ac1f05d8b9708360dad0840e5d779a_original.jpg


@stighefootball


The anchor midfielder will rarely, if ever, surge forward, often sitting in front of the centre-backs or slotting in between them to allow them to push out to a temporary back three. Balance, and even zonal coverage, is key.

The outside central midfielders have to be pure athletes; the amount of running (with and without the ball) and fanning wide they have to dooff the ball to protect their full-backs is remarkable. Juventus have Paul Pogba, Claudio Marchisio, Arturo Vidal, Roberto Pereyra and Kwadwo Asamoah. Massimiliano Allegri has merely accepted he has the players made for the system and put it into place at Juventus Stadium.

That protection of the full-backs is mightily important. When the diamond defends, the deeper three midfielders fan out into a flatter line and the wider CMs move all the way out to track opposing full-backs and stop two-on-one overloads against their own defenders. If they're able to intercept and grab it, they'll immediately dribble north and initiate a counter.


ffd1ca987da865e0e151fcb45d655942_original.jpg


@stighefootball


While the shuttlers' roles are almost always the same, there's some variation to be found in the others. Juventus play a defensive No. 10 in Pereyra, but Liverpool utilised a wonderful, creative type in Philippe Coutinho last year. Sherwood uses Jack Grealish, a player more akin to Coutinho, but Dortmund have sometimes used Henrikh Mkhitaryan, who will run, press and harass as well as create.

In the anchor role, Juve switch between Marchisio and Andrea Pirlo, with the difference in the two players speaking for itself. Swansea use a mediator in the form of Ki Sung-Yueng or Jack Cork, while Lyon use true anchor Maxime Gonalons or Corentin Tolisso, who does a bit of everything well.

The diamond is always at its best on the counter-attack, as, like an accordion, it shrinks during the defensive phase then expands outward going forward. It encourages high-quality transition football—something Liverpool perfected in 2013-14 under Brendan Rodgers—with players in the mould of Jordan Henderson dealing out great amounts of damage within it.

Therefore, it encourages quicker, niftier attackers. Juve have used Carlos Tevez and Alvaro Morata (one drops in to collect passes; one uses immense movement to hit the channels and stretch the opposition), while Liverpool's Daniel Sturridge-Luis Suarezcombination was fearsome to say the least.

Rodgers tried to marry Mario Balotelli with Sturridge early this season, but the experiment was forcibly ended by injury. There's a place for target man if used correctly—Fernando Llorente is serviceable in the system—but it's easier with two smaller men who are happy to flit about and play an inventive game.

The formation, on paper, looks entirely unbalanced due to the lack of wingers, and it also looks as though the full-backs will be ripe for exposure. But the system operates differently in every phase, and a good diamond will protect itself in every situation, pulling bodies around to cover gaps before intercepting and exploding forward.

There's rarely a dull game when one team is playing a diamond, and it's becoming more and more popular after several very successful executions of it. We could feasibly see two teams, Juventus and Lyon, win their respective domestic leagues with it in 2014-15, and Liverpool came oh so close last year.

Ligue 1 has opened its eyes to the diamond after sticking steadfastly to the 4-2-3-1 for a number of years, and it won't surprise to see more divisions follow suit. The knock-on effect will become an interesting study. Will it seal the true return of strike partnerships at the top level?

Perfect for the current England team to be fair, Rooney in the hole, Vardy and Kane up front and then athleticism and movement from Delph and Alli. Dier to anchor.
 
I thought there wasn't any point in over analysing everything Adkins says?
 

Perfect for the current England team to be fair, Rooney in the hole, Vardy and Kane up front and then athleticism and movement from Delph and Alli. Dier to anchor.

Those would form the basis for my team too, although not sure Hodgson would actually play 2 up top.

Personally I would and the "others" won't be expecting it.

50 years since our last triumph when Sir Alf played a different way with players a lot didn't expect.

It's written in the stars............

UTB & England
 
No, Dean Hammond apparently. He must be the only Blade I've ever heard to try and warrant playing both Sammon and Hammond, how can anyone take that seriously?
Mr Foulkes has got it dead right Wizardry,the anchor roll is Hammond
full stop that's why Adkins brought him in and why he will try to bring him back next season ( wages? ).
4 4. 2 is the way Adkins wants to go
so it's important he gets the specialists in to play these positions
supplemented with a vibrant set of
Young players coming from our academy. Sounds easy dunt it but the balance has got to be right.Adkins has had a year now to assess what we need, it's up to him now to bring the necessary talent
( within budget of course). We could be in for an exciting season if he gets it right.Put the negative to one side and support the club (Adkins).
 
Interesting enough. Think we'd struggle to fill the midfield shuttling 'wing half' roles, as Coutts not mobile enough and I'm not convinced Flynn will be here August.

It would also rely on us throwing money at a good enough left back, and finding a decent attacking mid (Jose and Scougall didn't work - I dream of Bradley Dack)
 
Perfect for the current England team to be fair, Rooney in the hole, Vardy and Kane up front and then athleticism and movement from Delph and Alli. Dier to anchor.
I would agree, however I prefer Milner (some dont but he works his socks off and you know you will get a consistent 7/10 from him). I feel he could control the midfield especially with two youngsters in the middle.

However Hodgson will probably play rooney at striker and leave Kane, Vardy and Alli on the bench :)
 
The diamond is a great formation if you have the players for it, just like 3-5-2, and these two formations provide the best chance for strike partnerships becoming commonplace again at the top level. Problem is getting the right players. It's a lot easier to assemble a squad to play 4-3-3/4-5-1.
 
Mr Foulkes has got it dead right Wizardry,the anchor roll is Hammond
full stop that's why Adkins brought him in and why he will try to bring him back next season ( wages? ).
4 4. 2 is the way Adkins wants to go
so it's important he gets the specialists in to play these positions
supplemented with a vibrant set of
Young players coming from our academy. Sounds easy dunt it but the balance has got to be right.Adkins has had a year now to assess what we need, it's up to him now to bring the necessary talent
( within budget of course). We could be in for an exciting season if he gets it right.Put the negative to one side and support the club (Adkins).
I'd love to put a positive on Hammond being here but I just don't think he's good enough for us, finners. Someone in his role who is more mobile and has the attributes necessary to play this role I don't argue about, it's the fact that someone who will be on big wages and isn't no where near mobile enough is playing the role which i don't agree with. I'd discuss this with WHF but he's ignorant to everyone who doesn't agree with him or just dismisses their post as wrong. Your first sentence makes me feel he's got into your head way too easily, don't let him do it, mate. :)
 
No, Dean Hammond apparently. He must be the only Blade I've ever heard to try and warrant playing both Sammon and Hammond, how can anyone take that seriously?



Saturday showed us again that we miss Hammond when he doesn’t play. It also showed our weakness down our left side with Done and McEveley culpable on 2 of the goals.


I think all the tinkering with formations also shows the hangover of constant managerial change with no strategy in place above the manager. Groups of players with no cohesion and no preferred way of playing throughout meaning there is always square pegs in round holes.
 
Perfect for the current England team to be fair, Rooney in the hole, Vardy and Kane up front and then athleticism and movement from Delph and Alli. Dier to anchor.


Agree. Not sure on Delph though. Rooney/Barkley to compete for the No10. Kane with one of Vardy/Sturridge/Wellbeck as the 2. Dier and Alli in there certainly and then maybe one of Delph/Henderson/Milner probably for the other role.
 
Drinkwater should start for England. He's the best genuine defensive midfielder we have, and the most on form.

Alli has to be played in the position he's most effective, which is probably number 10.

Rooney shouldn't be starting every game.

Lallana deserves to play ahead of Sterling.

Kane's an automatic pick and I'd still rather have Sturridge in there than Vardy.

So for me it's probably a front 6 of...

Henderson Drinkwater

Sturridge Alli Lallana

Kane

If Hodgson went with a diamond it would have to be Drinkwater at the base, flanked by Barkley and Henderson with Alli behind the strikers.
 
I would have to find a place for jack wilshire, arguably our best midfielder, if fit.
 
Drinkwater should start for England. He's the best genuine defensive midfielder we have, and the most on form.

Alli has to be played in the position he's most effective, which is probably number 10.

Rooney shouldn't be starting every game.

Lallana deserves to play ahead of Sterling.

Kane's an automatic pick and I'd still rather have Sturridge in there than Vardy.

So for me it's probably a front 6 of...

Henderson Drinkwater

Sturridge Alli Lallana

Kane

If Hodgson went with a diamond it would have to be Drinkwater at the base, flanked by Barkley and Henderson with Alli behind the strikers.


I'd swap Barkley and Alli round there. Alli has the better engine and is better at getting up and down the pitch. Barkley can also be a liability in his own half. I'd have Dier over Drinkwater but after the season he's had, I can see the argument for him.
 
I would have to find a place for jack wilshire, arguably our best midfielder, if fit.

I simply wouldn't take him, he's not played all season and even if he's fit again he's still a liability.


I'd swap Barkley and Alli round there. Alli has the better engine and is better at getting up and down the pitch. Barkley can also be a liability in his own half. I'd have Dier over Drinkwater but after the season he's had, I can see the argument for him.

You might be right there, Alli has a better awareness all around the pitch, but Barkley's an athlete as well, he's dynamic, although he may lack a bit of stamina. I'd just be tempted to keep Alli in the most advanced role, because he's been in the best form and seems the most likely to produce. If Barkley was alongside Henderson with Drinkwater behind them, the defensive responsibility wouldn't be so great, and you'd effectively have two capable defensive players and two ball carrying attacking players in the midfield, which could work nicely. Rose and Walker at full back are good at offering the width.
 
I simply wouldn't take him, he's not played all season and even if he's fit again he's still a liability.




You might be right there, Alli has a better awareness all around the pitch, but Barkley's an athlete as well, he's dynamic, although he may lack a bit of stamina. I'd just be tempted to keep Alli in the most advanced role, because he's been in the best form and seems the most likely to produce. If Barkley was alongside Henderson with Drinkwater behind them, the defensive responsibility wouldn't be so great, and you'd effectively have two capable defensive players and two ball carrying attacking players in the midfield, which could work nicely. Rose and Walker at full back are good at offering the width.


Yeah I can see the logic but I think the flanking midfielders need to be incredible athletes in that system and I'm not sure Barkley fits. He looks a better player to me when playing within about a 20 yard radius from the edge of the box.

Agree about Walker and Rose. Rose is prone to the odd daft mistake but plenty of pace and width there.
 
All this pseudo intellectualising about football is cobblers. Nothing has changed since I used to pay 6d to get into the Turnbull ground, as a very small nipper. I used to stand right behind the behind the goal, so I got a very good handle on things, even aged 6, so I know what I am talking about. These rules of football are thus well observed and have stood the test of time, and are listed below. They are also completely independent of whatever player structure, system or formation is used:

The team that has the best players should win, but often doesn't
The team that has players that run around a lot, wins more than it should
The team that has the best players, that also run around a lot usually wins
The team that scores the most goals always wins
 
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I don't think he'll be signing Hammond next season for that anchor role. Maybe someone from the top end of League Two with experience and over 6ft but I doubt he'll be signing him unless he can get him on a significant pay cut.
 

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