You are the ref.. a quiz question

[Harry's Game]

.. if you are the ref which player do you think commits the fouls here and who gets the yellow card?

 

[KeyffSmyff]

Bonus round, you are the VAR, what do you do.

 

[Inter_blade83]

Red for the wolves player. Easy

 

[Corkblade]

Red,red, red what is the point of VAR

 

[bakeblade]

.. if you are the ref which player do you think commits the fouls here and who gets the yellow card?


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I thought VAR was supposed to help refs, obvious decision is to overturn the yellow and red card the wolves player.

 

[JJBlade]

It's easy, that player for that team in pink gets a yellow card,

 

[Grey Blade]

Another shocking VAR decision. What's the point of it if not to get things right?

 

[Russ]

Referees club don't want to upset their mates telling them they cocked up.

They'd much rather upset thousands of football fans.

 

[ForgeBlade]

Given the introduction of VAR to supposedly stop this sort of thing happening, that has to be among the very worst decisions I have ever seen. Truly disgraceful.

 

[Geordie Blade]

Irrespective of the modern rules, I think it’s never a red in any case. Definitely a foul by the Wolves player, but it wasn’t malicious and should not be a red. The problem is that neither should Lundstram’s at Brighton, which was almost identical, but did get a straight red. It’s the inconsistency that stinks.

 

[SW12 to S12 to S18]

Bonus round, you are the VAR, what do you do.

Go on holiday.

 

[SW12 to S12 to S18]

Bonus round, you are the VAR, what do you do.

Or annexe The Sudetenland.

 

[Rufus Smalls]

Irrespective of the modern rules, I think it’s never a red in any case. Definitely a foul by the Wolves player, but it wasn’t malicious and should not be a red. The problem is that neither should Lundstram’s at Brighton, which was almost identical, but did get a straight red. It’s the inconsistency that stinks.

Got to disagree with you there Geordie mate. That sort of challenge can ruin a players career and rightly should be a straight red as that is the only deterrent available. The Wolves player was miles off the ball and went straight through Brewsters ankle. Disgraceful tackle.

 

[Bugboyblade]

The only reason the wolves player was rolling about was because he thought he was going.

 

[SWB]

Irrespective of the modern rules, I think it’s never a red in any case. Definitely a foul by the Wolves player, but it wasn’t malicious and should not be a red. The problem is that neither should Lundstram’s at Brighton, which was almost identical, but did get a straight red. It’s the inconsistency that stinks.

not the same as Lundstram's red at all

 

[Trigger Blade]

Got to disagree with you there Geordie mate. That sort of challenge can ruin a players career and rightly should be a straight red as that is the only deterrent available. The Wolves player was miles off the ball and went straight through Brewsters ankle. Disgraceful tackle.

I’ve just watched it again and the commentary team are clearly baffled by the fact that VAR looked at it and decided no action was necessary “clearly Chris Kavanagh and the VAR see it as an accident, I guess”. That apparently is good enough to go along with an incorrect yellow card for Brewster and take no action on a potential leg breaker.

 

[ChrisBlade]

By pure coincidence, both Brownie and Don Goodman are probably two of THE most qualified pundits to comment on the incident as both made a living out of this exact "step robustly over the ball to protect the run of the ball" tackle.

Both knew clearly that even they had been sent of at least a combined five times in their careers for this type of mis-timed shin raker. And both retired yonks ago...

I agree that this was one of the single most unbelievable VAR decisions in two years. Because this is the kind of tackle that wave after wave of shit-soft rule changes have proclaimed to weed out...

 

[essyoueffsee]

Absolutely no mention of this on ssn. If it what a "big" club it'd be top story.

 

[Geordie Blade]

I’ve just watched it again and the commentary team are clearly baffled by the fact that VAR looked at it and decided no action was necessary “clearly Chris Kavanagh and the VAR see it as an accident, I guess”. That apparently is good enough to go along with an incorrect yellow card for Brewster and take no action on a potential leg breaker.

My point is that the modern game is daft in what it sees as a red card.

The challenge last night could clearly have caused serious injury to Brewster. However, I don’t think it was intentional at all - he stepped over the ball to let it run and protect it. I don’t think in a million years that there was any malice. It wasn’t forceful either - it just happened to catch Brewster awkwardly.

That said, by the book of the modern laws (and compared with other reds this season), it was baffling how VAR let it go.

 

[Eric_Brooks]

Good job Brewster’s foot was not planted

 

[mattbianco1]

.. if you are the ref which player do you think commits the fouls here and who gets the yellow card?


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Before I answer, could you tell me if any of the players play for Sheffield United? This may or may not affect my decision making

 

[Yewsman]

Surely just another example of shit VAR application. But there have been dozens so hardly surprising or exceptional really. We seem to have had more than our fair share but perhaps that's just my perception being a supporter. Some of the worst are the "goal" against Villa last season, Egan sending off v Villa this season, Basham no penalty v Villa, Burke pulled back by shirt v Arsenal not even free kick awarded never mind player sent off. I am sure other teams have a list too though I dont think anyone has anything like the Villa "goal".

 

[Ralph Blade]

clearly Chris Kavanagh

Explains everything

 

[Grey Blade]

Before I answer, could you tell me if any of the players play for Sheffield United? This may or may not affect my decision making

I think the MOTD pundits may have had something to say if Brewster had been Rashford playing for the other United

 

[Rufus Smalls]

In the 85th minute, a player who’s team are winning 1-0 get a throw in. The player taking the throw dawdles and drops the ball for another player to take the throw in. It takes around 30 seconds and the player about to take the throw in is booked for time wasting. Play continues.

A couple of minutes later the team who are losing 1-0 get a throw in adjacent to the edge of the opposition box. The player is just about to take the throw in then gets a shout from his team mate to put the ball down and let the long throw specialist take it. The second thrower runs from the defence to where the throw in is, picks the ball up and puts a long throw into the box but it comes to nothing. The time taken for that throw in is also around 30 seconds.Does the second thrower get booked for time wasting ?

If not, then why not ?

 

[Eels]

No, cos it's his own team's time he's wasting. You could argue that he's wasting time paid for by the fans but by the 87th minute they've probably already had enough of keepers throwing themselves to the floor every time they make an easy catch and linesmen not flagging til two minutes after blatant offsides and are making their way down the front to get their nipper to beg a shirt.

 

[Rufus Smalls]

But surely the rule applies for ‘time wasting’ irrespective of the score ? Incidentally the bookings should be given even at 0-0, 1-1 etc. but they never are.

 

[Trigger Blade]

No, cos it's his own team's time he's wasting. You could argue that he's wasting time paid for by the fans but by the 87th minute they've probably already had enough of keepers throwing themselves to the floor every time they make an easy catch and linesmen not flagging til two minutes after blatant offsides and are making their way down the front to get their nipper to beg a shirt.

There was a game in the 2016/17 at Bramall Lane, can’t remember who against and we went 1-0, possibly 2-0 up early on and the opposition really upped the time wasting, in an attempt to keep the score down, technically it was still time wasting.

I’ve certainly played in lower league games where we were losing, the ref would say “it’s your own time you’re wasting” if he felt we could be taking set pieces quicker, but never felt we were in danger of a yellow card for it.

 

[Scarebus]

In the 85th minute, a player who’s team are winning 1-0 get a throw in. The player taking the throw dawdles and drops the ball for another player to take the throw in. It takes around 30 seconds and the player about to take the throw in is booked for time wasting. Play continues.

A couple of minutes later the team who are losing 1-0 get a throw in adjacent to the edge of the opposition box. The player is just about to take the throw in then gets a shout from his team mate to put the ball down and let the long throw specialist take it. The second thrower runs from the defence to where the throw in is, picks the ball up and puts a long throw into the box but it comes to nothing. The time taken for that throw in is also around 30 seconds.Does the second thrower get booked for time wasting ?

If not, then why not ?

Delaying the restart of play if a bookable offence, and the rule book doesn't really specify the circumstances although it does give examples.

But, referees are allowed to use their own judgement to make a decision, and any sane official isn't going to book the team trailing for time wasting, because in reality they aren't.

It's not about the amount of time to take the throw, it's about the motives to slow down the restart.

 

[Teddy]

Delaying the restart of play if a bookable offence, and the rule book doesn't really specify the circumstances although it does give examples.

But, referees are allowed to use their own judgement to make a decision, and any sane official isn't going to book the team trailing for time wasting, because in reality they aren't.

It's not about the amount of time to take the throw, it's about the motives to slow down the restart.

It would be an interesting experiment though - to trial a completely rigid approach with no referee judgement.

For example an off-pitch official that gives you 15 seconds from the ball being made available to restart play - failure to do so equals a yellow regardless of other circumstances. Would throw up some mental decisions while people got used to it but end result would be all matches played at a real pace with far less pissing about.