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Seeing how much money Leeds United are set to make this Summer with the imminent sales of Raphinha and Kalvin Phillips, it clearly demonstrates just how bad we got it wrong with recruitment. With the exception of a small profit on Ramsdale and making money on Brooks, every big money signing we've made has more or less gone wrong;

  • Berge (be lucky to recoup what we paid)
  • Mousset (gone for free)
  • McBurnie (probably go for free next summer)
  • Brewster (may come good but unlikely to recoup full value)
  • Luke Freeman (gone for free)
  • Callum Robinson/Oli Burke Swap (basically gone for free to Werder Bremen)

Although we went in with the right intentions of buying youth that will go on to grow in value, this clearly didn't happen and we overpaid for players that didn't have or fulfil their potential.

The profits that Leeds United will make will be reinvested into their squad and help them have a fighting chance at sustaining a premier league place, similar to clubs like Southampton before them.

Has any club that has yoyo'd between Championship and Premier League had anywhere near as bad a net spend as us over last few years?!?
 

hardytm2004 said:
Seeing how much money Leeds United are set to make this Summer with the imminent sales of Raphinha and Kalvin Phillips, it clearly demonstrates just how bad we got it wrong with recruitment. With the exception of a small profit on Ramsdale and making money on Brooks, every big money signing we've made has more or less gone wrong;

  • Berge (be lucky to recoup what we paid)
  • Mousset (gone for free)
  • McBurnie (probably go for free next summer)
  • Brewster (may come good but unlikely to recoup full value)
  • Luke Freeman (gone for free)
  • Callum Robinson/Oli Burke Swap (basically gone for free to Werder Bremen)

Although we went in with the right intentions of buying youth that will go on to grow in value, this clearly didn't happen and we overpaid for players that didn't have or fulfil their potential.

The profits that Leeds United will make will be reinvested into their squad and help them have a fighting chance at sustaining a premier league place, similar to clubs like Southampton before them.

Has any club that has yoyo'd between Championship and Premier League had anywhere near as bad a net spend as us over last few years?!?
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If we could only sign a new recruitment dept
 
One word "WAGES"
Bearing in mind that a players sale value is largely determined by his "WAGES" and length of contract, even more so than his ability, it's hardly surprising that every player we pay a fee for moves on for a loss.

They will either fail miserably and move on for a loss
Or they will perform excellently, want a new contract, and move on for a loss

We should never pay a fee for anybody ever again, because the end result is almost always the same regardless of what the player does
 
JJBlade said:
One word "WAGES"
Bearing in mind that a players sale value is largely determined by his "WAGES" and length of contract, even more so than his ability, it's hardly surprising that every player we pay a fee for moves on for a loss.

They will either fail miserably and move on for a loss
Or they will perform excellently, want a new contract, and move on for a loss

We should never pay a fee for anybody ever again, because the end result is almost always the same regardless of what the player does
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Huh?!
 
Going over well trodden ground here.

But apart from wages which is totally valid-

Seems very much like Chris was taking punts on players like he did when in lower leagues.

OK if you take a punt on Chris Hussey and he costs nowt and fails.

But a punt on McBurnie at the money we paid- WOW- given we have had no money EVER to spend on players and we get that heap of dung- enough to make you weep.
 
hardytm2004 said:
Seeing how much money Leeds United are set to make this Summer with the imminent sales of Raphinha and Kalvin Phillips, it clearly demonstrates just how bad we got it wrong with recruitment. With the exception of a small profit on Ramsdale and making money on Brooks, every big money signing we've made has more or less gone wrong;

  • Berge (be lucky to recoup what we paid)
  • Mousset (gone for free)
  • McBurnie (probably go for free next summer)
  • Brewster (may come good but unlikely to recoup full value)
  • Luke Freeman (gone for free)
  • Callum Robinson/Oli Burke Swap (basically gone for free to Werder Bremen)

Although we went in with the right intentions of buying youth that will go on to grow in value, this clearly didn't happen and we overpaid for players that didn't have or fulfil their potential.

The profits that Leeds United will make will be reinvested into their squad and help them have a fighting chance at sustaining a premier league place, similar to clubs like Southampton before them.

Has any club that has yoyo'd between Championship and Premier League had anywhere near as bad a net spend as us over last few years?!?
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This is a bit tedious, but you've not mentioned all the players we signed in League 1 and Championship that took us to two seasons in the Prem. Fantastic value added for low prices. Many of them almost got us promoted again last season.
 
Wilder set fire to the best part of 50m quid with shite signings

But to be fair you’ve missed ramsdale off there who we turned a profit on.
 
Just going off transfermarkt prices Leeds have signed Rodrigo - £27m, Llorente - £18m, Costa -£16m, Koch - £11.7m, James - £26m, Firpo - £13.5m in the last two years and you'd be hard pressed to call any of them a success. I'm not sure why everyone acts as though every other club gets every transfer right
 
hardytm2004 said:
Seeing how much money Leeds United are set to make this Summer with the imminent sales of Raphinha and Kalvin Phillips, it clearly demonstrates just how bad we got it wrong with recruitment. With the exception of a small profit on Ramsdale and making money on Brooks, every big money signing we've made has more or less gone wrong;

  • Berge (be lucky to recoup what we paid)
  • Mousset (gone for free)
  • McBurnie (probably go for free next summer)
  • Brewster (may come good but unlikely to recoup full value)
  • Luke Freeman (gone for free)
  • Callum Robinson/Oli Burke Swap (basically gone for free to Werder Bremen)

Although we went in with the right intentions of buying youth that will go on to grow in value, this clearly didn't happen and we overpaid for players that didn't have or fulfil their potential.

The profits that Leeds United will make will be reinvested into their squad and help them have a fighting chance at sustaining a premier league place, similar to clubs like Southampton before them.

Has any club that has yoyo'd between Championship and Premier League had anywhere near as bad a net spend as us over last few years?!?
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I'd love to find the interview where Bettis stated we are a model club others follow and we are far too clever on recruitment to spunk monehs everywhere
 
Wizard said:
Just going off transfermarkt prices Leeds have signed Rodrigo - £27m, Llorente - £18m, Costa -£16m, Koch - £11.7m, James - £26m, Firpo - £13.5m in the last two years and you'd be hard pressed to call any of them a success. I'm not sure why everyone acts as though every other club gets every transfer right
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Try buying them for less
 
brownblade said:
This is a bit tedious, but you've not mentioned all the players we signed in League 1 and Championship that took us to two seasons in the Prem. Fantastic value added for low prices. Many of them almost got us promoted again last season.
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It never ends.

We don't even know how much we'll get for Brewster, Berge, Bogle, Lowe etc. We payed the Premier League tax, if we sell in the prem we'd get more.
 
hardytm2004 said:
Seeing how much money Leeds United are set to make this Summer with the imminent sales of Raphinha and Kalvin Phillips, it clearly demonstrates just how bad we got it wrong with recruitment. With the exception of a small profit on Ramsdale and making money on Brooks, every big money signing we've made has more or less gone wrong;

  • Berge (be lucky to recoup what we paid)
  • Mousset (gone for free)
  • McBurnie (probably go for free next summer)
  • Brewster (may come good but unlikely to recoup full value)
  • Luke Freeman (gone for free)
  • Callum Robinson/Oli Burke Swap (basically gone for free to Werder Bremen)

Although we went in with the right intentions of buying youth that will go on to grow in value, this clearly didn't happen and we overpaid for players that didn't have or fulfil their potential.

The profits that Leeds United will make will be reinvested into their squad and help them have a fighting chance at sustaining a premier league place, similar to clubs like Southampton before them.

Has any club that has yoyo'd between Championship and Premier League had anywhere near as bad a net spend as us over last few years?!?
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Why are you using Kalvin Phillips in the same sentence as Raphina?

Raphinha cost Leeds £17m, has played 2 seasons in the PL and has broken into the Brazilian team during that time.
We've never had a player as good as Raphinha in our squad... ever!

Kalvin Phillips should be compared to Jagielka, Brooks, Ramsdale, Walker, Maguire etc. as he's a youth player. All of which we would have sold for much higher fees if they were PL players and England internationals at the time of sale.
 

Wizard said:
Just going off transfermarkt prices Leeds have signed Rodrigo - £27m, Llorente - £18m, Costa -£16m, Koch - £11.7m, James - £26m, Firpo - £13.5m in the last two years and you'd be hard pressed to call any of them a success. I'm not sure why everyone acts as though every other club gets every transfer right
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yes you are correct not exactly setting the world on fire- but all of those you would say still are pretty decent footballers. ... where as McBurnie you can actually see him fitting in rather well at say somewhere like AFC Wimbledon. There's not getting it right and there's buying the worst signing ever we have made, with all the funds normally for about 5 seasons in 1 clean swipe- the difference is alarming between the list you come up with and McB.
 
The two most impactful players we've had over the past few years have been Dean Henderson and MGW.

As good as they were, its was essentially dead money because they weren't ours, like renting a house and paying someone else's mortgage for them, not to mention all the rest of the money we've wasted on strikers who can't score in a brothel.
 
Badger Blade said:
The two most impactful players we've had over the past few years have been Dean Henderson and MGW.

As good as they were, its was essentially dead money because they weren't ours, like renting a house and paying someone else's mortgage for them, not to mention all the rest of the money we've wasted on strikers who can't score in a brothel.
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Not at all comparable to renting a house. If we won the Pen shootout at Forest- the rewards of paying MGW would have been redeemed a thousand fold.
 
bongleblade said:
You watch this season, McBurnie will come good as a deep lying forward and we'll have no option but to give him away to Rangers
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Well we would have a choice.
We could pay him more than an almost bankrupt and out of business for the second time Scottish club.
 
Football is the same as being a politician, it's a money gravy train where most of the passengers don't add up to the hype!
 
That's what happens when you don't have a recruitment policy and just let the manager choose the players he wants to sign. We also paid over the odds for all the big signings we made meaning if they are anything other than a success then we aren't making any money on them. No way was McBurnie worth 20m at the time we signed him, same too for Brewster.
 
Stevo71 said:
Basically all Wilders signings, all in that list apart from Berge weren't worth the money we paid so the fault lies with a certain messre.
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Bang on,Spunked our transfer fund's, without a doubt, yet another manager who is useless with big money,but brilliant in bargain bucket, Can wait for him to spunk Gibbons dosh up at Boro Did anyone notice the lack of interest in any of our players he bought from Boro🤔
 
Some very crude analysis and again just going off transfermarkt but I've had a quick look at the centre-forward transfers made for fees in the premier league in 19/20.
The format is Name (Age): Cost - Minutes - Goals/Assists. Obviously plenty of factors that aren't taken into account here e.g wages, contract length left at previous club, percentage of teams goals, injury history etc. and some of the fees are probably off but it gives some idea of the bigger picture.
  • Sebastien Haller (25): £45m - 2,262 - 7/2
  • Raul Jimenez (28): £34m - 3,252 - 17/6
  • Moise Kean (19): £25m - 834 - 2/2
  • Danny Ings (26): £23m - 2,814 - 22/2
  • Wesley (22): £23m - 1,790 - 5/1
  • Neal Maupay (22): £20m - 2,770 - 10/3
  • Oli McBurnie (23): £17m - 2,118 - 6/0
  • Patrick Cutrone (21): £16m - 291 - 2/0
  • Che Adams (22): £15m - 1,105 - 4/3
  • Albian Ajeti (22): £10m - 130 - 0/0
  • Lys Mousset (23): £10m - 1,232 - 6/4
  • Ally Samatta (26): £10m - 946 - 1/0
  • Jay Rodriguez (29): £9m - 2,007 - 8/2
  • Ignacio Pussetto (24): £8m - 67 - 0/0
  • Callum Robinson (24): £7m - 676 - 1/2
  • Jordan Ayew (27): £3m - 3,162 - 9/2
All in all Mousset was very successful in that first year and McBurnie was decent (also worth remembering he'd done very well in some games around January/February before the COVID break). It's hard & expensive to sign Premier league players. It's understandable that we focus on our club's mistakes but we shouldn't pretend that others don't make them
 
Wizard said:
Some very crude analysis and again just going off transfermarkt but I've had a quick look at the centre-forward transfers made for fees in the premier league in 19/20.
The format is Name (Age): Cost - Minutes - Goals/Assists. Obviously plenty of factors that aren't taken into account here e.g wages, contract length left at previous club, percentage of teams goals, injury history etc. and some of the fees are probably off but it gives some idea of the bigger picture.
  • Sebastien Haller (25): £45m - 2,262 - 7/2
  • Raul Jimenez (28): £34m - 3,252 - 17/6
  • Moise Kean (19): £25m - 834 - 2/2
  • Danny Ings (26): £23m - 2,814 - 22/2
  • Wesley (22): £23m - 1,790 - 5/1
  • Neal Maupay (22): £20m - 2,770 - 10/3
  • Oli McBurnie (23): £17m - 2,118 - 6/0
  • Patrick Cutrone (21): £16m - 291 - 2/0
  • Che Adams (22): £15m - 1,105 - 4/3
  • Albian Ajeti (22): £10m - 130 - 0/0
  • Lys Mousset (23): £10m - 1,232 - 6/4
  • Ally Samatta (26): £10m - 946 - 1/0
  • Jay Rodriguez (29): £9m - 2,007 - 8/2
  • Ignacio Pussetto (24): £8m - 67 - 0/0
  • Callum Robinson (24): £7m - 676 - 1/2
  • Jordan Ayew (27): £3m - 3,162 - 9/2
All in all Mousset was very successful in that first year and McBurnie was decent (also worth remembering he'd done very well in some games around January/February before the COVID break). It's hard & expensive to sign Premier league players. It's understandable that we focus on our club's mistakes but we shouldn't pretend that others don't make them
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Great point

Like a horror gallery, Jimenez, maybe Adams aside all fairly average.

Brighton - Maupay been a flop at Brighton, they have brought in Cucarella(£16m)
Westham - haller see also Soucek (£15m)
Villa - Wesley / Martinez(£15m)

Point been every team gets it wrong sometimes, we get it wrong all the time.
 
It's scandalous how many players we end up basically giving away and I doubt any other club comes close, this is true even for our success period

But recently injuries have also fucked us, how much the club is to blame for that is debatable

Bogle was on his way to 12m
Berge would have recouped us 20m
Brewster has had his value decimated further by injury
Not to even mention our top asset JOC

But to end up giving away McBurnie, Robinson and Freeman for nothing is absolutely shocking. Inexcusable and incredible

It's the failure of these players that makes me realise how hopeless this club is. I mean how could we get absolutely nothing out of Freeman in the championship ffs

We may stumble on a bunch of good uns on frees once a decade but whenever we spend money and try for anything different or better, this is what happens. So why bother
 

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