Great comment on BBC commentary yesterday.

[Bill Johnson]

" Sheffield United are the Arsenal of the Championship. Great football but guilty of excessive overelaboration"

Fair assessment IMO.
We still overpass way too often and don't trouble the keeper nearly enough given the possession we have. Possession alone means nothing.

 

[itsinyerblood]

Then the next thing we need is our very own version of a young Henry.

 

[Rob86]

Arsenal in the 1st and Accrington in the 2nd

 

[Sheffsteel]

" Sheffield United are the Arsenal of the Championship. Great football but guilty of excessive overelaboration"

Fair assessment IMO.
We still overpass way too often and don't trouble the keeper nearly enough given the possession we have. Possession alone means nothing.

Brentford are the Arsenal of this division. We do have similarities to them though.

 

[dc_blade]

I don't agree. I think one of the main principles of Wilder's approach is "don't shoot until you see the whites of their eyes" and that's why, when we do create a chance, it tends to be a really good one--we score loads of tap-ins.

I think we'd be less effective if we resorted to shooting earlier. It might look like we were creating more opportunities, but we'd score less.

 

[Bladesman]

" Sheffield United are the Arsenal of the Championship. Great football but guilty of excessive overelaboration"

Fair assessment IMO.
We still overpass way too often and don't trouble the keeper nearly enough given the possession we have. Possession alone means nothing.

We didn't in the second half. In the second half we barely wanted to go past the half way line.

 

[CopenhagenBlade]

Then the next thing we need is our very own version of a young Henry.

Back to the ‘young, black, fast French striker’ again

 

[Cerberus Blade]

" Sheffield United are the Arsenal of the Championship. Great football but guilty of excessive overelaboration"

Fair assessment IMO.
We still overpass way too often and don't trouble the keeper nearly enough given the possession we have. Possession alone means nothing.

Except we do win things!

 

[cjx blade]

To be honest icI' thought that myself a few times.
Wouldn't have it any other way though.

 

[SittingontheBall]

I don't agree. I think one of the main principles of Wilder's approach is "don't shoot until you see the whites of their eyes"

That’s it......all we need is better eyesight!

 

[grafikhaus]

" Sheffield United are the Arsenal of the Championship. Great football but guilty of excessive overelaboration"

Fair assessment IMO.
We still overpass way too often and don't trouble the keeper nearly enough given the possession we have. Possession alone means nothing.

I'd agree. Against Hull we were guilty of gross over-elaboration. 'Don't shoot until you see the whites of their eyes' sounds good in theory, but that split second of hesitation usually gives their defence the time to block. Just effin' hit it and you may be surprised what happens. (see Adam Reach). McGoldrick did the same late on at Derby. Instead of hitting it first time, he took an extra touch and the chance was gone. And again - often at home - we don't 'work' their goalie nearly enough. Henderson had more to do than Hull's goalie.

 

[Kozzy_is_my_Dad]

I disagree, I think we have to be able to maintain possession, play intricate passes and create clear cut chances. We don't have the pace in the side or the player that single handedly unlocks defences, so we have to play that way. It helps that we're bloody good at it.

 

[moDtheGod]

I'd agree. Against Hull we were guilty of gross over-elaboration. 'Don't shoot until you see the whites of their eyes' sounds good in theory, but that split second of hesitation usually gives their defence the time to block. Just effin' hit it and you may be surprised what happens. (see Adam Reach). McGoldrick did the same late on at Derby. Instead of hitting it first time, he took an extra touch and the chance was gone. And again - often at home - we don't 'work' their goalie nearly enough. Henderson had more to do than Hull's goalie.

Can't disagree more with this. I don't want their keeper to work. I want him to pick it out of the net three times because he's never had a chance to make a save due to how good our chances are.

Pot shots from distance are a waste of possession, we just remember the 1 in 100 that goes in because they look good. And just because you got a good end result, it doesn't justify a poor decision.

 

[Sharrow Snuff Mill]

Arsenal in the 1st and Accrington in the 2nd

Have you seen Accrington`s results lately ?

 

[blade too long]

Real Madrid lost a few of late I think we are more like them

Or Bayern Munich

They lose now and again too

 

[ShefRedandWhite]

I often excessively overelaborate when we score.

 

[Wards]

Can't disagree more with this. I don't want their keeper to work. I want him to pick it out of the net three times because he's never had a chance to make a save due to how good our chances are.

Pot shots from distance are a waste of possession, we just remember the 1 in 100 that goes in because they look good. And just because you got a good end result, it doesn't justify a poor decision.

Absolutely 100% correct. Just as an example the Pigs have been relying on worldies for some weeks now - wait until they dry up. Not saying they won’t figure out other ways of scoring but you can’t rely on pot shots every week, the numbers just don’t add up. All of the modern day statistical models show that those teams that create the better chances will fare better overall. I love the way we play and I wouldn’t change it at all - if we create 2 or 3 really good chances per game then we’ll beat most teams (provided we defend a bit better!)

 

[snootyfenooty]

Pot shots from distance are a waste of possession, we just remember the 1 in 100 that goes in because they look good. And just because you got a good end result, it doesn't justify a poor decision.

This is just as daft an assertion as the one made earlier this year by one of our more esteemed posters that corners were a waste of time. Shots from distance fall into two categories - the hit and hope type and the measured shot when you have space on the ball and space in front of you. Duffys against Villa was a perfect example. He got the ball in space, moved forward 15m or so with it and let fly when he saw a clear path to goal. More than once in every game I'd say there is the opportunity to do the same but we don't and it ends up with a big faff with the ball at the corner flag.

So I'm not saying you take a pot shot every time you get within 40 yds of the goal, but you keep this option in your armoury along with corners and other ways of scoring a goal. I can't wait for someone to post saying headers are a waste of time next.

 

[moDtheGod]

Duffys against Villa was a perfect example.

I agree, a perfect example of how he does that a hundred times with no positive result and we remember the one that squeaked in (when the GK should have done better, by the way).

Each to their own. I'll celebrate a Brownie style worldie vs the pigs like we've won the Champions League, but I'll also be aware of WHY it's so special, because they just never go in.

 

[Willie Carlin]

" Sheffield United are the Arsenal of the Championship. Great football but guilty of excessive overelaboration"

Fair assessment IMO.
We still overpass way too often and don't trouble the keeper nearly enough given the possession we have. Possession alone means nothing.

We need to be more accurate with our crosses to finish our good approach work off. We’re not getting results from the amount of crosses we put in the box.

 

[Roygbiv]

To be honest icI' thought that myself a few times.
Wouldn't have it any other way though.

What was Wilder thinking taking Duffy off that early?

 

[snootyfenooty]

I agree, a perfect example of how he does that a hundred times with no positive result and we remember the one that squeaked in (when the GK should have done better, by the way).

Each to their own. I'll celebrate a Brownie style worldie vs the pigs like we've won the Champions League, but I'll also be aware of WHY it's so special, because they just never go in.

I hope for your sake Woody's got his coffin lid nailed down or you may be getting a visit if he hears such tosh.

 

[derfblade.3]

3rd highest scorers in the division.......piss poor and need to shoot more!

 

[Tom Bott]

What was Wilder thinking taking Duffy off that early?

Saving him for Tuesday/Saturday, maybe give him the night off tomorrow for a rest.

I might not go tomorrow, age is creeping up on me too.

 

[Roygbiv]

Saving him for Tuesday/Saturday, maybe give him the night off tomorrow for a rest.

I might not go tomorrow, age is creeping up on me too.

I was referencing the IT Crowd.

 

[Tom Bott]

Sorry I understood, my response was poor.

Bad day at the coal face.

Have a Blades player England cap from 1891 photo by way of an apology. That was a thing to hold.

 

[moDtheGod]

I hope for your sake Woody's got his coffin lid nailed down or you may be getting a visit if he hears such tosh.

It's hardly tosh. There's plenty of data analysts out there doing the maths if you want to look into it. The likes of Matthew Benham and Tony Bloom have been making millions out of such data for years and it's now slowly creeping into the minds of the masses with things like xG.

Just because you remember a handful of worldies from a bygone era, that's lovely and all, but it doesn't change anything.

 

[snootyfenooty]

It's hardly tosh. There's plenty of data analysts out there doing the maths if you want to look into it. The likes of Matthew Benham and Tony Bloom have been making millions out of such data for years and it's now slowly creeping into the minds of the masses with things like xG.

Just because you remember a handful of worldies from a bygone era, that's lovely and all, but it doesn't change anything.

A handful? Probably going on 20% (at a guess) of Woody's goals were leathered in from outside the box. Even the closer range ones were blasters and tap-ins weren't even in his lexicon. The difference between me and you is that I live in actual reality whilst yours is in an artificial computerised environment called virtual reality. The blokes you mention might be clever but they can't change history. I feel a bit sorry for you, you don't know what you've missed.

 

[moDtheGod]

What on Earth are you talking about? Why are you talking about changing history?

I'm aware of Alan Woodward, obviously. I'm too young to have seen him play live, though I've seen lots of clips of his goals and set pieces, many in black and white. And it's great to watch, it makes my spine tingle watching this type of thing just because it's Sheffield United, even though I have no connection to that side. But none of that matters when analysing football today, because you're talking about 50 years ago. The game isn't like that any more. That shouldn't be a difficult concept to get a hold of.

 

[Rodders]

Probably going on 20% (at a guess)

The difference between me and you is that I live in actual reality

Lol