VAR gives us more hope.

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  1. Woodwardfan

    Woodwardfan Woodwardfan

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    Last time we were up in the Premier League we were screwed by referees on a number of occasions.

    We can be just a touch more hopeful next season.
     

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  2. Ricky

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    I look forward to crazily celebrating many goals only for them to be ruled out.
     
  3. Jim Chimmerney

    Jim Chimmerney Can hear the 'Cod Army' roar from his back garden

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    Bash will be on 10 yellows (or worse) by Xmas :)
     
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  4. LoughboroBlade

    LoughboroBlade Well-Known Member

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    All of Knill’s set-piece routine goals disallowed for blocking. Can’t wait.
     
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  5. SouthEssexBlade

    SouthEssexBlade ...for wit and sage wisdom

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    Nope.

    Disastrous development. Already shown to just offer yet another level of opinion. VAR will shaft us at some point next season.

    Demanded by TV, made by TV, for TV.
     
  6. Antonb

    Antonb Active Member

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    I'm not looking forward to goals being disallowed. Just how annoying is that going to be. Another thing is players hounding the referee to play it back.
     
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  7. Sheffsteel

    Sheffsteel Well-Known Member

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    I’ve been saying this for a while.
    People say the big clubs tend to get the big decisions from the ref but that’s because the big clubs attack more with the ball being in the opposition penalty area more, hence more penalties.

    In the past refs have tended to apply a natural justice, these are some of the unwritten rules that will now change next season.
    1: Previously if a team is massively dominant, then the ref is more likely to give that team favourable decisions (this will help us, imagine if we’re receiving a pasting at Anfield but our defence has somehow managed to keep it down to 0-0 with VAR disallowing 2 goals for Liverpool, then we have a rare attack with Sharp going down in the 90th minute at the Kop end penalty area. In the past the ref wouldn’t have the bottle to give it as it would be daylight robbery and unfair, but now we would win a penalty at these grounds where daylight robbery is now allowed.).
    2: Penalties and red cards are less likely to be given in the first few minutes, refs give warnings and want to game to settle down.
    3: Once a team is given a penalty they are much less likely to be given one immediately after scoring one.
    4: Very few teams are ever given multiple penalties in the same match, it’s as though the ref shy away from the controversy.
    5: If a team is winning by a big scoreline then that teams is less likely to be given favourable decisions. Maybe some refs feels sorry for the team receiving a hiding.

    I think VAR next season will change the game. There will be situations where some teams receive 4 penalties in the same match, in fact players playing for penalties could become an art. Also there will be situations where a Man Utd player might be sent off in the first few minutes at Old Trafford. Still think they’ll be massive controversy because VAR focusses on the black and white, but doesn’t interpret context.
     
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  8. RedandWhite

    RedandWhite Large Member

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    We'll still be in the stadium from a 3pm KO at 19:30 with VAR, every decisions being reviewed
     
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  9. SouthEssexBlade

    SouthEssexBlade ...for wit and sage wisdom

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    No, no, no, no!

    VAR is another ref or group of refs interpreting what they see. How many controversial VAR decisions have been made already that were disagreed with? Goal line technology is "black and white" it crossed the line or didn't, there is no opinion or interpretation, and it is an instant decision.

    VAR exists because TV technology can microscopically examine any incident in a game. It isn't borne out of the opinions of those watching at the game. You see it, form an opinion and agree or disagree with the decision of the ref., game goes on.

    VAR is another way of taking the game away from true supporters towards the plastics in the armchair.
     
  10. GallonofMagnet

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    It is what it is. People don’t like change.

    I’d rather be being “VAR’d” next season because it means we’re amongst the elite.
     
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    I hate players circling the referee, I simply don't understand why they don't follow Rugby with their zero tolerance approach.
     
  12. LoughboroBlade

    LoughboroBlade Well-Known Member

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    This for me is the problem. I was fully on board with VAR when it was being pitched as “only being used in clear instances when a mistake has been made”. Yet the implementation of it, particularly in the CL with the handball penalty decisions, is drastically different. It was designed to ensure just decisions, and it will do that for much of what it does. Sadly it’ll also create other injustices if deployed as it has been so far. I’d probably prefer occasional crap decisions while able to enjoy the game rather than occasionally incomprehensible decisions while less able to enjoy the game.
     
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  13. Ted Danson

    Ted Danson Well-Known Member

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    ^^This

    Its written in the stars we'll have the first major controversial VAR decision go against us.

    I think its rubbish, in the world cup I thought the majority of VAR decisions were wrong in the end anyway just slowed everything down.

    Also, add these stoppages to Norwichs games and their games will go on for 130 mins
     
  14. Breakingblade

    Breakingblade New Member

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    Having watched a lot of football in Spain this year, I can say that VAR generally makes football fairer.

    Offsides always get called correctly now which should suit us as we're not reliant on through balls to a nippy striker.

    But there's still a lot of interpretation - our blocking on corners being a good example. In these cases, the big teams still get favoured, nothing new. Saying that though I've seen quite a few penalties given to smaller teams that never would have been given before - this is a good sign for united.

    Also, people making the VAR gesture gets fucking annoying. Everything gets checked, they're always watching- telling the ref to check VAR is a nonsense. I don't know why people don't understand this.

    The feeling of not being able to really celebrate until you see the other team kick off is a bit shit but as VAR will help us, I'm happy we're having it next year.
     
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  15. S12 Blade

    S12 Blade Active Member

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    Sod it, let's tell the PL we're not interested and we'll stay in the Championship.
     
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  16. MobileBlade

    MobileBlade Well-Known Member

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    I posted this on another thread but the Premier League are doing VAR differently from the rest of the world. Everywhere else has a little TV screen next to the pitch. The video ref will alert the on pitch official if he feels that he has made a compelling mistake and the referee will then go pitchside and review the incident before making a final decision (except for offside calls where the Video ref will inform the on pitch officials if a goal should stand or not).

    In the Premier League, there will be no pitchside TV. The Premier League are promoting 6 current championship referees to be video officials. They will watch the action and if the referee has made a mistake they will tell him. The referee will then make the decision whether to overturn or not based on what he is told by the video ref. No review pitchside.
     
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  17. Ghostshark

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    there will be lots of penalties for handball next season due to var, what with the edict from uefa...you'll see balls being blasted at hands form 2 yards and penalties given..
     
  18. SouthEssexBlade

    SouthEssexBlade ...for wit and sage wisdom

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    TV needs VAR, football does not need it.

    At all levels below the elite leagues football will continue and be watched and enjoyed by millions. Decisions will be made by referees not TV, some right some wrong, but the enjoyment of those spectators will not be diminished by the absence of VAR. I'll wager it will be more enjoyable because they will live in the moment of joy or despair rather than pause and stare at a screen waiting for TV to decide if they can celebrate or not.
     
  19. MobileBlade

    MobileBlade Well-Known Member

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    I agree - the Real Madrid game last weekend being a case in point. The referee did not give a blatant penalty to Real Vallecano (bottom of league and going down). Play went up the other end and Bale nearly (should have actually) scored. The referee was informed by VR to check the original penalty which he did and then awarded it and it was scored. Vallecano won 1-0. Been really interesting if Bale had actually scored like he should have done.
     
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  20. JohnDenver

    JohnDenver ¡No Pasarán!

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    This. ^^^^

    It’s such a joyless development.
     

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