Incoming? Tod Cantwell

[Cerberus Blade]

Please no, leave all the relegated not good enough fodder for Leeds

Yeah dead right mate. When we got relegated from the old 1st Division in 1976 we sold Tony Currie to Leeds that summer. "Relegated not good enough" fodder he was - but he seemed to continue to do well after that somehow?

Could it be that the league position of a team has nothing to do with the quality and capability of individual players?

 

[S64 Blade]

I think he's a great player and a better option than Grealish (those two often get thrown together, I'm not suggesting we should/can sign Grealish). He is younger and his stats this season are the same, if not better, when comparing minutes played.

From the posts here, his attitude does seem to be that of the archetypal young, rich footballer, but I recall similar concerns about McBurnie when he joined - though of course, some were justified, but he has seemed to grow out of the negatives.

My only ask would be that Wilder takes him along to Taylor Taylor for a haircut.

 

[Houso]

Genuinely can't see the point in discussing this one.

He'll go for a few times the amount being suggested and we simply don't play with a Duffy style AM now. And it's all very well talking about options, we wouldn't be spending 30m+ on a plan B.

Mind you, I didn't think we'd get near Berge, so my track record is far from perfect!

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Genuinely can't see the point in discussing this one.

He'll go for a few times the amount being suggested and we simply don't play with a Duffy style AM now. And it's all very well talking about options, we wouldn't be spending 30m+ on a plan B.

Mind you, I didn't think we'd get near Berge, so my track record is far from perfect!

You clearly haven't noticed in recent games we have played Mcgoldrick behind a front two at times....

 

[YES Blade]

Genuinely can't see the point in discussing this one.

He'll go for a few times the amount being suggested and we simply don't play with a Duffy style AM now. And it's all very well talking about options, we wouldn't be spending 30m+ on a plan B.

Mind you, I didn't think we'd get near Berge, so my track record is far from perfect!

Maybe we didn't play with the "Duffy Role" because we didn't have a player good enough to play that role in the Premier League? Cantwell could be that player.

 

[Houso]

You clearly haven't noticed in recent games we have played Mcgoldrick behind a front two at times....

I clearly have as it's never been a plan A has it? As I say in my post, 30m on a plan b is not in our reduced budget.

 

[Houso]

Maybe we didn't play with the "Duffy Role" because we didn't have a player good enough to play that role in the Premier League? Cantwell could be that player.

Yes, perhaps... but then why didn't we replace Duffy when he went if we were always wanting to go back in that direction.

I'd be delighted to see us be able to get Cantwell (particularly at the rumoured level) and be able to vary between a deep CM and a fairly loose AM, but I'd just be very very surprised.

 

[Niceguyeddie]

Genuinely can't see the point in discussing this one.

He'll go for a few times the amount being suggested and we simply don't play with a Duffy style AM now. And it's all very well talking about options, we wouldn't be spending 30m+ on a plan B.

Mind you, I didn't think we'd get near Berge, so my track record is far from perfect!

Maybe we didn't play with the "Duffy Role" because we didn't have a player good enough to play that role in the Premier League? Cantwell could be that player.

Yes, perhaps... but then why didn't we replace Duffy when he went if we were always wanting to go back in that direction.

I'd be delighted to see us be able to get Cantwell (particularly at the rumoured level) and be able to vary between a deep CM and a fairly loose AM, but I'd just be very very surprised.

But doesn't mcgoldrick play the Duffy role and surely someone is going to have to fill in for him next season ,he can't play every week

 

[Houso]

But doesn't mcgoldrick play the Duffy role and surely someone is going to have to fill in for him next season ,he can't play every week

As above, Duffy played behind a front two. Didzy starts as a deep striker, but he's still a striker. If he drops back into that typical Duffy (behind a front 2) role it's as a backup option and usually when we're chasing the game.

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

McGoldy plays the gypsy role for the Blades.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

I clearly have as it's never been a plan A has it? As I say in my post, 30m on a plan b is not in our reduced budget.

Need to have more than one string to our bow. The fact that at this stage of the season Wilder is using it more suggests it's in his head for next season after hardly using it at all first 3/4 quarters of the season

 

[Houso]

Need to have more than one string to our bow. The fact that at this stage of the season Wilder is using it more suggests it's in his head for next season after hardly using it at all first 3/4 quarters of the season

And that's fair enough. If we have the budget for a Cantwell option I'd be over the moon and I think it'd be a great position to be in; whether that means starting with him occasionally or having him available off the bench.

I'm just surprised we do have that kind of budget. There is absolutely no way on this planet he goes for 10million.

 

[bibbity bobbity boo]

McGoldy plays the gypsy role for the Blades.

Maybe he could tarmac the car park on his days off. Or stand on Programme Corner selling pegs and lucky heather.

 

[Berkshire Blade]

And that's fair enough. If we have the budget for a Cantwell option I'd be over the moon and I think it'd be a great position to be in; whether that means starting with him occasionally or having him available off the bench.

I'm just surprised we do have that kind of budget. There is absolutely no way on this planet he goes for 10million.

Wilder talks about a 20-30 million hits Mcburnie and Berge was 40. Mousett 10. Robinson 8. Freeman 5 or so million. There's still cash about. Add to that if we finish 7th merit payments will be a 'bonus' 20 million.

And there will be a depressed transfer market. Impossible to guess fees right now. We are in the total unknown.

 

[Niceguyeddie]

As above, Duffy played behind a front two. Didzy starts as a deep striker, but he's still a striker. If he drops back into that typical Duffy (behind a front 2) role it's as a backup option and usually when we're chasing the game.

He's not really a striker though is he ? And cantwell looks perfect for that second striker role to me

 

[Niceguyeddie]

And that's fair enough. If we have the budget for a Cantwell option I'd be over the moon and I think it'd be a great position to be in; whether that means starting with him occasionally or having him available off the bench.

I'm just surprised we do have that kind of budget. There is absolutely no way on this planet he goes for 10million.

There is a rumour he has a release clause and I due nt think anyone will pay more than.twenty for him anyway

 

[Welshblade]

I think he's a great player and a better option than Grealish (those two often get thrown together, I'm not suggesting we should/can sign Grealish). He is younger and his stats this season are the same, if not better, when comparing minutes played.

From the posts here, his attitude does seem to be that of the archetypal young, rich footballer, but I recall similar concerns about McBurnie when he joined - though of course, some were justified, but he has seemed to grow out of the negatives.

My only ask would be that Wilder takes him along to Taylor Taylor for a haircut.

Wilder seems to have a thing for Grealish, he always goes at of his way to talk to him after games.

 

[bladesmanluke]

Buendia over Cantwell for me, but either would be a superb signing if we can get them for under £20m

 

[Swannyblade]

Cantwell for anything under £20mil is an absolute steal.
Has shown he can do it in the Prem (in a worse team).
Would be an excellent alternative to McGoldrick as they would be occupying a similar space on the pitch.
I like the idea of playing Didzy against the poorer teams where we can expect to have possession and Cantwell against the better teams when we'll need to counter attack at pace and have someone capable of shooting around the opposition's area.
Buendia could also be an option at number 10 (we're very short in this position)

 

[Swannyblade]

Wilder seems to have a thing for Grealish, he always goes at of his way to talk to him after games.

It's because he's an exceptional talent and Wilder knows a footballer when he sees one - unfortunately he's out of our range and should be going to a top 4 contender for big £££

 

[nopigfansintown]

For me we need four signings if we are to carry on with the same formation: a goalkeeper; RWB competition; Basham competition, and a striker who can stretch defences and put pressure on and be rotated with, Moose. A top class attacking midfield player would be a big bonus, as would a Kante, Ndidi type that would allow us to switch to two deep lying defensive midfielders with less worries of being overrun (a concern with Norwood and Lundstram in a two imo). Hopefully we can get Henderson for the goalkeeper spot, and if Wilder plays it correctly we could make do with only one signing who could play RWB and RCB; we were heavily linked with Holgate in January, but I fear that ship has sailed now.
I think Cantwell is a prodigious talent and one of the most technically able players in the league.The problem with him is that I can't really see where else he can play except in the central attacking areas. Whilst no slouch, he isn't quick enough to play wide in a 4-3-3, or robust enough to play deeper, say, as part of United's central three. The plan may be to give him the free role behind the striker, which would solve that little problem.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

It's because he's an exceptional talent and Wilder knows a footballer when he sees one - unfortunately he's out of our range and should be going to a top 4 contender for big £££

Why won't we be a top 4 contender? Hardly a million miles away this season.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

Maybe we didn't play with the "Duffy Role" because we didn't have a player good enough to play that role in the Premier League? Cantwell could be that player.

Absolutely - CW told us a week after promotion he was going to tweak the system - he did to 352. We have now seen we can compete at this level, but we need to score more goals, so why not consider a return to 3412 - which means finding a new no:10 - ie: cantwell.

Other than upgrades on the front 2 in a continued 352 formation, there isn't another way we can score more goals.

UTB

 

[Swannyblade]

Why won't we be a top 4 contender? Hardly a million miles away this season.

Okay, maybe I should have worded it as “with the wage structure of a typical top four team”. Our wage structure doesn’t even match up to Villa’s now, never mind the clubs Grealish is being touted for.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Okay, maybe I should have worded it as “with the wage structure of a typical top four team”. Our wage structure doesn’t even match up to Villa’s now, never mind the clubs Grealish is being touted for.

I don't see Cantwell being anywhere near in demand as Grealish. He just doesn't have the same hype. There is no reason why we shouldn't be in for Cantwell/Buendia.

 

[Swannyblade]

I don't see Cantwell being anywhere near in demand as Grealish. He just doesn't have the same hype. There is no reason why we shouldn't be in for Cantwell/Buendia.

I agree - I think we’re in with a shout of getting Cantwell. The reply you quoted from me was in reference to Grealish if you look back

 

[Mouth of the South]

Absolutely - CW told us a week after promotion he was going to tweak the system - he did to 352. We have now seen we can compete at this level, but we need to score more goals, so why not consider a return to 3412 - which means finding a new no:10 - ie: cantwell.

Other than upgrades on the front 2 in a continued 352 formation, there isn't another way we can score more goals.

UTB

Personally, I don't think Utd have the personnel to change from the current formation (even though I too would like to see a #10 played more often to both create more and link mid and the front two). Berge could play in a double-pivot (and has done so previously) but I have my doubts whether Norwood could. You'd then have the problem of what to do with Fleck.

If Cantwell (or another mid) is recruited, I would expect them to be earmarked to play RCM.

When CW has changed formation this season to include a #10 (usually McGoldrick), it has more often than not been at the expense of a CB, thereby reverting to a diamond. I really can't then envisage CW spending a large proportion of the summer budget on a specialist #10, especially when you consider how little game time Freeman has got.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

Personally, I don't think Utd have the personnel to change from the current formation (even though I too would like to see a #10 played more often to both create more and link mid and the front two). Berge could play in a double-pivot (and has done so previously) but I have my doubts whether Norwood could. You'd then have the problem of what to do with Fleck.

If Cantwell (or another mid) is recruited, I would expect them to be earmarked to play RCM.

When CW has changed formation this season to include a #10 (usually McGoldrick), it has more often than not been at the expense of a CB, thereby reverting to a diamond. I really can't then envisage CW spending a large proportion of the summer budget on a specialist #10, especially when you consider how little game time Freeman has got.

It's a quandary really - we have to look to score a few more goals next season. Perhaps our forwards will be a bit better and therefore score a few more. Perhaps in certain games we might play 3412. My own thoughts of centre mid is Berge and Fleck, with a new no 10.

For sure JOC let slip that we have been working on a new formation in an interview before COVID, so something is going on in training to alter what we do.

If we are seriously interested in cantwell, and we've just given McG another 2 years, we seem to be planning something for next season.

The plot thickens !

UTB

 

[Keef Chedwyn]

I'd just like to state my case if I may. He's a soft bastard and a little wanker, hope he goes to another wanker club.

 

[Chabuddy G]

I'd just like to state my case if I may. He's a soft bastard and a little wanker, hope he goes to another wanker club.

Your case has been heard and ignored