Poll reference VAR

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Should the VAR system Be Scrapped

  • Yes

    Votes: 309 75.2%
  • No

    Votes: 102 24.8%

  • Total voters
    411
Why is Mike fucking Riley in charge of ,the guy was a shit referee ,with zero communication skills and personality. we are being held hostage by a complete nob. Its like putting Rolf Harris in charge of Nursery monitoring. Get rid of it ,its shit.

Your earlier post sitwell, no mention of the 23 pass move!!
 

Get rid of this measuring off-sides bollocks for starters.
Just drop that part of the tech, it’s not required. Simply have cameras at each end of the pitch that will have a good chance of spotting if a lino has a stinker and misses an obvious off side....the sort where with one look at a replay you can clearly tell that it’s offside.
But crucially the ref at the match is required to look at the monitor and make that decision. This shouldn’t be a problem as the only time we might be interested in a howler is one that ends up in a goal. That ref is then responsible for ALL decisions at the match and is required to answer for them if needed.

Mira really not that dificult to sort out.
 
OK let's talk that latest Super Over then Sits ;)

Seriously, Deadbat's report is the best forum for the game (IMO). just the 15 replies and most of those are simple thanks to the author.

As for VAR, it is a pressing issue for the game and it is always beneficial to absorb all ranges of views.
And there you have it in a nutshell ,VAR is for people who watch on TV ,listen to a commentary or read a forum. As good as Deadbats reports are ,they can never convey the raw emotion and excitement of a game. Without fail every single Blade I spoke to on Saturday at the game ,on the train and in the pub in London was 100% against it ,as was every Spurs fan I spoke to on the tube or in the pub ,every single one.
How can it be right that George Baldock scores his first and maybe only ever premier league goal ,in a fantastic game of football and 'celebrates' it with an angry look of disdain and a minor fist pump ,on the whim of some twat sat miles away looking for a reason to take that excitement away ?
Its shit and nothing to do with the game I love. As for Super over ,I haven't got a fucking clue what that even means.
 
'Clear and obvious' does not apply to offside decisions. Its 100% fact based to the extent that technology provides ' the facts'that is.
And does the technology measure the exact millisecond that the ball loses contact with the passers, boot, head, or whatever?

If not the technology is fatally flawed.

If so I'd like to know how they do it!
 
And does the technology measure the exact millisecond that the ball loses contact with the passers, boot, head, or whatever?

If not the technology is fatally flawed.

If so I'd like to know how they do it!
Exactly ,the whole thing is fluid ,one they showed yesterday ,the ball had already left his foot and they still justified themselves ,utter madness.
 
Early days for VAR and each incident will add to the experience of officials and the administrators can fine tune it.

The.current offside rule is quite generous to attackers as it stands
 
Trevor Sinclair just made a great point that he was in a meeting where Richard scudamore told the assembled press that there were ten clubs that they would rather have in the premier league than your Bournemouth and burnleys etc and that the pgmol is directly funded by the premier league and that that is dangerous ground

Also mark Halsey stated that there is a directive on how to use var which is being implemented by every country except ours for some reason

Here's an article about how PREMIER LEAGUE OFFICIALS met up to decide how to use the new system

Don't confuse this with premier league officials i.e referees and linesman They weren't involved in this process ,simply told what to do by the money men who don't want certain clubs in their league

VAR: referees to discuss how it is used in Premier League - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48793310
i was originally pro VAR as i believe there is cheating and it would stop it but is usage in England has turned out to be rather sinister in nature. it strikes me it is being used as a tool to penalise smaller clubs. it would seem every goal from a smaller club triggers a five minute inquest to see if they can find any grounds to disallow it. this doesn't happen with the bigger teams. Was Son's goal subject to any scrutiny? No they said goal immediately and ran back to the half way line. Our goals had Sherlock Holmes looking at them. Both of them.
it's cheating.
i didn't celebrate the goal against Arsenal. i was convinced it would be disallowed. the other thing that really boils my piss is that the team that concedes gets a psychological boost from the overturn
 
This shows only that 24% do not think it should be scrapped altogether. That's all we can deduce from it. That's quite different to 24% saying leave it as it is.

I'm probably one of the few on here who is defending VAR as I've been calling for it for years and I'm 100% behind it. But it obviously needs to be improved, it's the first season it was never going to be perfect. FIFA should have introduced this 10 years ago, we'd no doubt have a very good system in place by now.
 
And does the technology measure the exact millisecond that the ball loses contact with the passers, boot, head, or whatever?

If not the technology is fatally flawed.

If so I'd like to know how they do it!

I do not support the actual techn0logy as it is but recognise the system will evolve and improve. In the meantime its the same for everybody.
 
I would say no for the moment, because i would say amend var. get rid of stockly park, that just generates anger thats not needed. get refs to look at the screen for these handballs &, dont mess with offside unless it clear that their was a body in front of line. if it looks level give the advantage to the attacking team like the previous 147 years
 
This is clearly the way forward. In fact, given the PL's whore-like devotion to the media, perhaps they could have a reality TV style show at 7pm every Monday, a bit like Strictly. Claudia Winkleperson could introduce clips of the weekend's worst VAR decisions, with a panel of experts (plus Mark Lawrenson) selecting the worst two. These two could then go to a public vote. By 10pm, the people would have spoken. The worst VAR of the week would be publically shamed and the decision reversed.

Thus, if it was the disallowed Blades goal which won the viewer's poll, the Blades would be awarded 2 extra points and Spurs deducted one. If the Leicester penalty shout won, then Leicester would be awarded an extra goal from the resulting penalty, for a 3-0 win.

Then as a finale to the show, the Stockley Park ref who called the overturned decision would be forced to eat live grubs under the baying supervision of Ant and Dec

My working title for this TV ratings winner is "I'm a shit VAR decision, get me out of here" or possibly "The FA's got no talent."

Sounds like a winner to me.
Me too mate. Top telly that would be😁
 
Maybe there’s an argument for specialist VAR refs. Ones who aren’t part of the clique that professional referees seem to be part of.
 
A lot of people seem to think the match referee going to screen will make things better. No, that will just add further delay, and if they go over there you can rely on the fact that they'll overturn their original decision anyway. So it's just a waste of even more time.

It's meant to be clear and obvious isn't it? So how about this -

Players are the ones who make the challenges to the referee's decisions. If they're upheld they get the decision in their favour of course. If they're wrong then they have to go into a rugby-style sin bin for 20 minutes. If a manager makes the challenge and he's wrong then the opposition manager gets to choose which player comes off.

That should spice it up and ensure only proper gaffes get corrected.
 

Posted this before but it has more relevance than ever this week 😡

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For me, this points to a possible answer to all this.

Keep VAR (for now)
Keep measuring for offside
But simply include this A-B margin for error.
If a player is beyond this margin, he's offside.

Yes, it can still come down to a millimeter if his foot is just past the new line, but at least it's a millimeter beyond a comprehensible distance, not a sole millimeter, which may itself be incorrect based on inherent flaws in the system.

Under this system:
Attackers will still have to time their runs very carefully
Defenders will still have to track those runs
Passers will still have to pick their pass at the right moment.

This system reflects more how a linesman would judge an offside in real time, in that only situations where its clearly visible would it be called.

It doesn't solve the time problem. That may come down to imposing a time limit and accepting some incorrect decisions, or simply improving the quality of var officiating.

At least this could be tried for one season to see how it fares.
 
More positive suggestions lately for improvements, not abandonment.

Still reckon it will help smaller clubs given time.
 
VAR officials under pressure last weekend:

White Hart Lane : J.Moss
Leicester- S.Attwell.
Anfield- P.Tierney

Attwell should be suspended for a month.
Moss should have to publicly explain his decision.
As should Tierney.
 
get refs to look at the screen for these handballs &, dont mess with offside unless it clear that their was a body in front of line. if it looks level give the advantage to the attacking team like the previous 147 years

Can't argue with that. Offsides should be a 5 second job, if you're level you're ON, bits of body parts is clearly nonsense. People used to get upset when a goal was given that was clearly (and the relevant word here is CLEARLY) offside, no-one ever batted an eyelid for something so tight you needed technology (better than we have actually got) and lines drawing on a screen.
 
VAR officials under pressure last weekend:

White Hart Lane : J.Moss
Leicester- S.Attwell.
Anfield- P.Tierney

Attwell should be suspended for a month.
Moss should have to publicly explain his decision.
As should Tierney.
You expecting accountability .............. :)
 
I would say no for the moment, because i would say amend var. get rid of stockly park, that just generates anger thats not needed. get refs to look at the screen for these handballs &, dont mess with offside unless it clear that their was a body in front of line. if it looks level give the advantage to the attacking team like the previous 147 years


Before 1990 level was offside, so your '147 years' is actually 29😊
 
Before 1990 level was offside, so your '147 years' is actually 29😊

i assume that the "rules" we are used to have been the same ones used since the fa cup was played back in 1860s

was that the change when they changed it from 3 players to 2
 
i assume that the "rules" we are used to have been the same ones used since the fa cup was played back in 1860s

was that the change when they changed it from 3 players to 2


That was 1925, which surprises me because I can remember it !! (Past Life maybe!!)

I think the relevant thing is that defenders' offside rule 'protection' has been eroded over the decades and the way things are going the VAR lines will be re-drawn with further such erosion.

Everybody thinks these disallowed goals for attacking teams are harsh or even scandalous. What about the poor defenders!!
 
In my best German accent .............. 🎼 Var, ooooh, what is it good for? Absolutely nothing, say it again............🎼
 

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