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pommpey

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No but you dismiss the wage bill rising from 9m to 18 to 20 m plus for the last 3 years as irrelevant. Income is 10 m a year but hey ho the money fairies pay that don't they
But, hang on. You make an assumption that cash in (as a whole) has stayed the same at £10m? You pump the wage bill up but leave the 'cash in' but the same. It's not though, is it? Gates have increased, telly appearances have been pretty regular.

So it's quite convenient to overlook the fact that had Maguire and Walker not been sold, we'd be about seven million light? Is that what you're saying?

Seems to me you're still doing McCabe's bean counting for him. Look at the eyes, look at the eyes ...

pommpey
 

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The conclusion I drew years ago was that like Einsteins theory of relativity, fully understanding the Blades accounts is above my pay scale.

Though I can make guesses the same as everyone else, though we all arrive at different conclusions, which shows that it is not conclusive.

The summary - wheres monnee gone.

McCabe out o_O
 

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The conclusion I drew years ago was that like Einsteins theory of relativity, fully understanding the Blades accounts is above my pay scale.

Though I can make guesses the same as everyone else, though we all arrive at different conclusions, which shows that it is not conclusive.

The summary - wheres monnee gone.

McCabe out o_O
it's all relative mate :)
 

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But, hang on. You make an assumption that cash in (as a whole) has stayed the same at £10m? You pump the wage bill up but leave the 'cash in' but the same. It's not though, is it? Gates have increased, telly appearances have been pretty regular.

So it's quite convenient to overlook the fact that had Maguire and Walker not been sold, we'd be about seven million light? Is that what you're saying?

Seems to me you're still doing McCabe's bean counting for him. Look at the eyes, look at the eyes ...

pommpey
TV money is, I believe, paid as £100,000 for the home team and £10,000 for the away team. We were on TV probably around 12 times last season, so yeah we have received an extra £1.2m or so but that pales in insignificance compared to the amount wages have increased! In fact I bet the TV money didn't even cover Billy's wages for the season!
 

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TV money is, I believe, paid as £100,000 for the home team and £10,000 for the away team. We were on TV probably around 12 times last season, so yeah we have received an extra £1.2m or so but that pales in insignificance compared to the amount wages have increased! In fact I bet the TV money didn't even cover Billy's wages for the season!
Never mind that,weers munny gon? McCabe's not a crook though,I got right irate writing that
 

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But, hang on. You make an assumption that cash in (as a whole) has stayed the same at £10m? You pump the wage bill up but leave the 'cash in' but the same. It's not though, is it? Gates have increased, telly appearances have been pretty regular.
Match day income rose by £2.2m between the League One title season and our first season back in the Championship. Media income rose by £6.5m.

So it's quite convenient to overlook the fact that had Maguire and Walker not been sold, we'd be about seven million light? Is that what you're saying?

Seems to me you're still doing McCabe's bean counting for him. Look at the eyes, look at the eyes ...

pommpey
We made a £10m operating loss in 2017/18. However, as the Walker & Maguire bonus fees were received at the start of that season that would have been budgeted for; we lost £1.9m at the bottom line.

It's all in the accounts. I've even done the difficult work and put it in a table for you.

2014/152015/162016/172017/18
Match Day income
7,654​
7,841​
6,522​
8,734​
Media income
1,864​
1,735​
1,623​
8,102​
Academy income
784​
727​
708​
695​
Facility income
458​
338​
819​
631​
Retail income
-​
-​
1,388​
1,595​
Superdraw income
-​
-​
300​
271​
Turnover
10,759
10,641
11,360
20,028
Cost of Sales
(11,294)​
(13,307)​
(11,596)​
(21,758)​
Gross Profit/(Loss)
(535)
(2,666)
(236)
(1,730)
Admin expense exc. Player registrations
(4,286)​
(5,382)​
(5,648)​
(6,299)​
Player Registrations Amortisation
(782)​
(1,681)​
(2,575)​
(2,177)​
Exceptional Admin Expense
-​
(794)​
-​
-​
Operating Profit/(Loss)
(5,603)
(10,523)
(8,459)
(10,206)
Other income
76​
76​
76​
76​
Profit on player sales
2,170​
1,855​
2,740​
8,382​
Total Operating Profit/(Loss)
(3,357)
(8,592)
(5,643)
(1,748)
Interest
(30)​
(44)​
(36)​
(148)​
Profit/(Loss) Before Tax
(3,387)
(8,636)
(5,679)
(1,896)
Corporation Tax
-​
-​
-​
-​
Profit/(Loss) After Tax
(3,387)
(8,636)
(5,679)
(1,896)
Wage bill
10,034​
18,966​
Player wages
5,500​
6,800​
5,700​
13,100​
Player Wages % turnover
51%​
64%​
50%​
65%​

*Retail was only broken out of match day income in the latest set of accounts. I've no idea where the Superdraw income sat previously.

You can moan all you want about "weer'z munneh gone" but it's pretty obvious - all the income and more goes on paying the squad of players and the administration required to run a high-level professional football club. The basic income isn't enough so we have to sell players to bridge the gap. The 2018/19 accounts, when they're released, will be similar to the 2017/18 accounts with a big operating loss offset by the profit on player sales (£11.5m+ for Brooks in this case).

Not that I expect any of this to sink in mind.
 

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Match day income rose by £2.2m between the League One title season and our first season back in the Championship. Media income rose by £6.5m.



We made a £10m operating loss in 2017/18. However, as the Walker & Maguire bonus fees were received at the start of that season that would have been budgeted for; we lost £1.9m at the bottom line.

It's all in the accounts. I've even done the difficult work and put it in a table for you.

2014/152015/162016/172017/18
Match Day income
7,654​
7,841​
6,522​
8,734​
Media income
1,864​
1,735​
1,623​
8,102​
Academy income
784​
727​
708​
695​
Facility income
458​
338​
819​
631​
Retail income
-​
-​
1,388​
1,595​
Superdraw income
-​
-​
300​
271​
Turnover
10,759
10,641
11,360
20,028
Cost of Sales
(11,294)​
(13,307)​
(11,596)​
(21,758)​
Gross Profit/(Loss)
(535)
(2,666)
(236)
(1,730)
Admin expense exc. Player registrations
(4,286)​
(5,382)​
(5,648)​
(6,299)​
Player Registrations Amortisation
(782)​
(1,681)​
(2,575)​
(2,177)​
Exceptional Admin Expense
-​
(794)​
-​
-​
Operating Profit/(Loss)
(5,603)
(10,523)
(8,459)
(10,206)
Other income
76​
76​
76​
76​
Profit on player sales
2,170​
1,855​
2,740​
8,382​
Total Operating Profit/(Loss)
(3,357)
(8,592)
(5,643)
(1,748)
Interest
(30)​
(44)​
(36)​
(148)​
Profit/(Loss) Before Tax
(3,387)
(8,636)
(5,679)
(1,896)
Corporation Tax
-​
-​
-​
-​
Profit/(Loss) After Tax
(3,387)
(8,636)
(5,679)
(1,896)
Wage bill
10,034​
18,966​
Player wages
5,500​
6,800​
5,700​
13,100​
Player Wages % turnover
51%​
64%​
50%​
65%​

*Retail was only broken out of match day income in the latest set of accounts. I've no idea where the Superdraw income sat previously.

You can moan all you want about "weer'z munneh gone" but it's pretty obvious - all the income and more goes on paying the squad of players and the administration required to run a high-level professional football club. The basic income isn't enough so we have to sell players to bridge the gap. The 2018/19 accounts, when they're released, will be similar to the 2017/18 accounts with a big operating loss offset by the profit on player sales (£11.5m+ for Brooks in this case).

Not that I expect any of this to sink in mind.

Expect a "you can make accounts say what you want, l know weer munneh s gone, Belgium, that's weer, how much wer spent on paper clips, tha dunt know so them figures can't be reyt" post.
 

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But, hang on. You make an assumption that cash in (as a whole) has stayed the same at £10m? You pump the wage bill up but leave the 'cash in' but the same. It's not though, is it? Gates have increased, telly appearances have been pretty regular.

So it's quite convenient to overlook the fact that had Maguire and Walker not been sold, we'd be about seven million light? Is that what you're saying?

Seems to me you're still doing McCabe's bean counting for him. Look at the eyes, look at the eyes ...

pommpey
well when did the season ticket income double , its been about 1m either side of being the same
wages on the other hand have doubled


its not backing mccabe its a fact of life

at all clubs, wages keep rising faster than income
only prem clubs getting tv cash can relax
all the players weve sold have asked to leave to go to a higher placed club
thats why eden hazard just left chelsea ,,,,, its football
 

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Can we wait for signings to find out what Wilder has to spend before...

A) Claiming it is 'nowt',
B) Claiming it is being impacted by the court case, and...
C) Claiming Wilder is unhappy with either of the above and therefore wants to leave.

It is early June.

Also, pro tip: the thing you're moaning about has to actually happen before you can moan about it

I think it's a form of helping/ supporting the manager and putting pressure on the owners.

Fans' Noise does matter.

Look how them who are usually loud at S6 avoided Maclaren by shouting loud and long on social media.

Last summer our fan noise probably triggered the journalists who put pressure onto the owners who finally got a budget sorted. That benefited the manager and the club.

Fan opinion has been mentioned in High Court more than once.

I really believe this Forum has an important voice and we can send messages to the club by one means or another. Ok fans want it all and want it now, but sincere and worthy messages can get through.

We fans should message owners, present and future, that Wilder is our God, and we'll respect theirs also. We want our God to be 'appeh in his job!
 
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Match day income rose by £2.2m between the League One title season and our first season back in the Championship. Media income rose by £6.5m.



We made a £10m operating loss in 2017/18. However, as the Walker & Maguire bonus fees were received at the start of that season that would have been budgeted for; we lost £1.9m at the bottom line.

It's all in the accounts. I've even done the difficult work and put it in a table for you.

2014/152015/162016/172017/18
Match Day income
7,654​
7,841​
6,522​
8,734​
Media income
1,864​
1,735​
1,623​
8,102​
Academy income
784​
727​
708​
695​
Facility income
458​
338​
819​
631​
Retail income
-​
-​
1,388​
1,595​
Superdraw income
-​
-​
300​
271​
Turnover
10,759
10,641
11,360
20,028
Cost of Sales
(11,294)​
(13,307)​
(11,596)​
(21,758)​
Gross Profit/(Loss)
(535)
(2,666)
(236)
(1,730)
Admin expense exc. Player registrations
(4,286)​
(5,382)​
(5,648)​
(6,299)​
Player Registrations Amortisation
(782)​
(1,681)​
(2,575)​
(2,177)​
Exceptional Admin Expense
-​
(794)​
-​
-​
Operating Profit/(Loss)
(5,603)
(10,523)
(8,459)
(10,206)
Other income
76​
76​
76​
76​
Profit on player sales
2,170​
1,855​
2,740​
8,382​
Total Operating Profit/(Loss)
(3,357)
(8,592)
(5,643)
(1,748)
Interest
(30)​
(44)​
(36)​
(148)​
Profit/(Loss) Before Tax
(3,387)
(8,636)
(5,679)
(1,896)
Corporation Tax
-​
-​
-​
-​
Profit/(Loss) After Tax
(3,387)
(8,636)
(5,679)
(1,896)
Wage bill
10,034​
18,966​
Player wages
5,500​
6,800​
5,700​
13,100​
Player Wages % turnover
51%​
64%​
50%​
65%​

*Retail was only broken out of match day income in the latest set of accounts. I've no idea where the Superdraw income sat previously.

You can moan all you want about "weer'z munneh gone" but it's pretty obvious - all the income and more goes on paying the squad of players and the administration required to run a high-level professional football club. The basic income isn't enough so we have to sell players to bridge the gap. The 2018/19 accounts, when they're released, will be similar to the 2017/18 accounts with a big operating loss offset by the profit on player sales (£11.5m+ for Brooks in this case).

Not that I expect any of this to sink in mind.
It's sunk in.

As I say, had we no 'profit on player sales' (£8382k - assuming this means the realisation of 10% on Maguire and Walker?) then we'd be further in the shit?

pommpey
 

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