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I hated VAR when we were in the Premiership, it ruined the games, but there have been enough incidents across the Championship already to show that a lighter form of VAR is needed. I would just have it covering 3 scenarios, none of which would spoilt the game in the way that the Premiership version has:-
  • goal-line decisions (over the line or not)
  • overturning incorrect penalty awards (in the area or not, contact or not, handball or not)
  • overturning incorrect sending offs (foot not high, no contact made, wrong player penalised).
Play would already have stopped in each scenario (or should be stopped in the first situation) and hence it wouldn't disrupt the game.

Thoughts?
 



Greasy Chap Butty said:
No. I'll take the shit decisions, as a consequence. I want to celebrate goals, not be stood waiting for it to be allowed.
Instant decision or nothing.
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None of the above would curtail goal celebrations (I'm with you on that mate) but maybe wrong decisions that enhance enjoyment/fairness, rather than detract as the current system does, is the way to go?
 
When VAR decisions go against you…..fans hate it.

Fairness and justice is irrelevant….most fans just want all decisions going in their favour

….so VAR won’t change it…there will still be loads of controversy on anything except goal line decisions.

Imagine being forced to wait 2 minutes on a last minute penalty VAR decision.
We’ve already seen VAR focus on slow motion and freeze frames. They just consider if there’s been a touch
but they should be considering if the touch was strong enough to be considered a fou….that’s where everyone has different opinions.
 
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Full VAR for me. Look what catastrophic things can happen without it. Ask bournemouth and Villa fans if it’s worth not having it. The goal that never was change the course of history for both clubs
 
Trafford said:
I hated VAR when we were in the Premiership, it ruined the games, but there have been enough incidents across the Championship already to show that a lighter form of VAR is needed. I would just have it covering 3 scenarios, none of which would spoilt the game in the way that the Premiership version has:-
  • goal-line decisions (over the line or not)
  • overturning incorrect penalty awards (in the area or not, contact or not, handball or not)
  • overturning incorrect sending offs (foot not high, no contact made, wrong player penalised).
Play would already have stopped in each scenario (or should be stopped in the first situation) and hence it wouldn't disrupt the game.

Thoughts?
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No I don't want VAR in any form.
One of the answers for me is for the linos to get more involved again, the lino on Saturday should definitely have intervened.
VAR has made linesmen effective redundant, they don't even flag for offsides anymore. So when they do a non prem game they struggle.
 
Blade56 said:
Full VAR for me. Look what catastrophic things can happen without it. Ask bournemouth and Villa fans if it’s worth not having it. The goal that never was change the course of history for both clubs
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Still can't believe VAR didn't intervene with that. "It's not what it's used for!"... but nobody would've complained.
 
Trafford said:
I hated VAR when we were in the Premiership, it ruined the games, but there have been enough incidents across the Championship already to show that a lighter form of VAR is needed. I would just have it covering 3 scenarios, none of which would spoilt the game in the way that the Premiership version has:-
  • goal-line decisions (over the line or not)

Thoughts?
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VAR doesn't cover goal-line decision in the Premier League.

That's covered by a completely different system/technology.
 
sufcboy95 said:
I don’t want VAR in the form of what the premier league has. But I don’t get why the 4th official can’t take a look at certain things on a monitor, at the refs request
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Agreed. If the ref is not sure then he should be allowed to ask the 4th official to check.

Plus thats a might be a more cost effective way to have a version of VAR in the football league.
 
mattbianco1 said:
Still can't believe VAR didn't intervene with that. "It's not what it's used for!"... but nobody would've complained.
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It was so close to half time that it would have been even easier for VAR to check too.
 
Trafford said:
I hated VAR when we were in the Premiership, it ruined the games, but there have been enough incidents across the Championship already to show that a lighter form of VAR is needed. I would just have it covering 3 scenarios, none of which would spoilt the game in the way that the Premiership version has:-
  • goal-line decisions (over the line or not)
  • overturning incorrect penalty awards (in the area or not, contact or not, handball or not)
  • overturning incorrect sending offs (foot not high, no contact made, wrong player penalised).
Play would already have stopped in each scenario (or should be stopped in the first situation) and hence it wouldn't disrupt the game.

Thoughts?
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I've always been of the opinion that technology should only be used for decisions that are non-subjective e.g. goal line. All others including offences by players should be left to the referee and the ARs - this will inevitably result in some errors but VAR has not eradicated them anyway and, certainly how it was implemented in the Prem, has caused more issues that it has resolved.
 



BladeInIreland said:
Don't need to go past goal line technology for me. I could accept penalty decisions but arguing about decisions is part of the game for me. If a ref is consistently wrong they should be replaced by someone better.
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Demotions of officials don't feel like they happen often enough.
 
Refs just need to be less sh*te. Saturday didn't need VAR it just needed a competent referee who could keep up with play and didn't rely on guessing. Perhaps as the game has advanced in terms of the fitness and pace of the players we're asking a lot for a 30-50 year old to keep up with these elite athletes. Maybe a ref in each half or something might help. I dunno. Not VAR though, I understand completely that it is more accurate. But it sucks the soul from the game
 
Goal-line technology is Hawkeye, not VAR, isn't it? Still waiting to see the "occluded" footage from the Villa game. One error in thousands of matches and it has to happen against us!
As for VAR, I think we could do without all the line drawing and detailed measuring. The technology isn't accurate enough anyway. But I would like to see the ref. go to the screen more often for a 2nd look if there's a decision he's not sure about or didn't see (like Saturday's "penalty" for example).
 
BerksBlade said:
Goal-line technology is Hawkeye, not VAR, isn't it? Still waiting to see the "occluded" footage from the Villa game. One error in thousands of matches and it has to happen against us!
As for VAR, I think we could do without all the line drawing and detailed measuring. The technology isn't accurate enough anyway. But I would like to see the ref. go to the screen more often for a 2nd look if there's a decision he's not sure about or didn't see (like Saturday's "penalty" for example).
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Yes would agree with that
I thought VAR was implemented pretty well during the Euros maybe a better standard of official might help
Cant see VAR coming anytime soon to the Championship due to the cost implications especially after a pandemic
 
JT89 said:
VAR doesn't cover goal-line decision in the Premier League.

That's covered by a completely different system/technology.
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But VAR does cover "clear and obvious errors" defined as;

"VAR can be used to overturn a subjective decision if a "clear and obvious error" has been identified.

The referee will explain their decision to the VAR, and what they have seen.

If the evidence provided by the broadcast footage does not accord with what the referee believes they have seen, then the VAR can recommend an overturn".

So VAR could have stepped in on the ghost goal but chose not to...
 
Torrix1889 said:
But VAR does cover "clear and obvious errors" defined as;

"VAR can be used to overturn a subjective decision if a "clear and obvious error" has been identified.

The referee will explain their decision to the VAR, and what they have seen.

If the evidence provided by the broadcast footage does not accord with what the referee believes they have seen, then the VAR can recommend an overturn".

So VAR could have stepped in on the ghost goal but chose not to...
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I think the problem here was that Hawkeye has been so reliable the officials trusted it rather than make their own decision.
Of course, it could be that Hawkeye wasn't actually turned on at that moment .... but no-one's admitting to that, are they?
I have no idea why the TV official(s) didn't intervene - at one point the Villa keeper was holding the ball against the back of the post.
 
Trafford said:
I hated VAR when we were in the Premiership, it ruined the games, but there have been enough incidents across the Championship already to show that a lighter form of VAR is needed. I would just have it covering 3 scenarios, none of which would spoilt the game in the way that the Premiership version has:-
  • goal-line decisions (over the line or not)
  • overturning incorrect penalty awards (in the area or not, contact or not, handball or not)
  • overturning incorrect sending offs (foot not high, no contact made, wrong player penalised).
Play would already have stopped in each scenario (or should be stopped in the first situation) and hence it wouldn't disrupt the game.

Thoughts?
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We already have hawk eye in the Championship for goal line decisions.

Sheffsteel said:
….so VAR won’t change it…there will still be loads of controversy on anything except goal line decisions.
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Very short memories!
 
bladesince64 said:
Var every time for me.

It gets more right than wrong.

If the only downside is we can't 'celebrate' s be it.

With Var we win that game, no question.

Also we get points from previous games.
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Do you go to matches, out of interest?

I would be quite confident in saying that your opinion is in a clear minority at a game, but less so for those that watch on TV.
 
Let's not wish for the nightmare that is VAR to ruin another division..

These things balance themselves out over a season and we already had one go our way at Hull, I didn't hear anybody complaining when Tyler Smith went through to score and was given offside wrongly the other week..

When we found out he was onside pretty much all of us said, bout time we got one go for us.. Swings n roundabouts isn't it..
 



Tezza1889 said:
Let's not wish for the nightmare that is VAR to ruin another division..

These things balance themselves out over a season and we already had one go our way at Hull, I didn't hear anybody complaining when Tyler Smith went through to score and was given offside wrongly the other week..

When we found out he was onside pretty much all of us said, bout time we got one go for us.. Swings n roundabouts isn't it..
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