Money and 'getting it'

[WF10BLADE]

even if someone bid 200 million fucking quid for Che and we accepted there seems to be an element of our support that blindly defend every sale we make and forget it always makes us worse.

Until this cycle stops we are going nowhere.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

even if someone bid 200 million fucking quid for Che and we accepted there seems to be an element of our support that blindly defend every sale we make and forget it always makes us worse.

Until this cycle stops we are going nowhere.

It's not the sale that makes us worst . It's the replacement (s) , and using the remaining money to balance the books or keep us afloat . In the past decisions , instructions have been made by funders / banks to pay off loans pay weekly wages etc.

It will help once we get out of league 1. The longer we are in this league the circle , cycle gets more viscous.

UTB

 

[Sean Thornton]

even if someone bid 200 million fucking quid for Che and we accepted there seems to be an element of our support that blindly defend every sale we make and forget it always makes us worse.

Until this cycle stops we are going nowhere.

You've already said this on the Che thread.....

 

[Sean Thornton]

even if someone bid 200 million fucking quid for Che and we accepted there seems to be an element of our support that blindly defend every sale we make and forget it always makes us worse.

Until this cycle stops we are going nowhere.

You've already said this on the Che thread.....

 

[judge]

If you don't have any money and a shit squad

And you can get money for one of your shit squad to make the overall quality a bit less shit
You've got to do it haven't you?

 

[WF10BLADE]

You've already said this on the Che thread.....

They've already sold our stars previously

 

[Sean Thornton]

They've already sold our stars previously

Only once per star though......

(Apart from Deano )

 

[Ricky]

Anybody would think Adams is a remotely important player....

 

[Sheffsteel]

even if someone bid 200 million fucking quid for Che and we accepted there seems to be an element of our support that blindly defend every sale we make and forget it always makes us worse.

Until this cycle stops we are going nowhere.

Are you being serious or just to the wind up.

So what you are saying is whatever we do we are doomed to failure.
Glad you're no where near the board or the players.

Also what's the point of being in the PL, they'll only put the prices up.
We''ll hardly ever play at 3pm on a Saturday and also the worlds coming to an end soon.
What's the point?

 

[s10blade]

I think a sale can only be criticised if someone's had our pants down. As has been said, our weakness is replacing and building. If true, the figure mentioned for Che certainly cannot be turned down.

 

[Tyler Durden]

Let's not pretend that any impending departure of Che Adams is a Jags/Naughton/Walker situation. He's a player who occasionally looked alright when he was part of one of the worst United teams in history. His importance is exaggerated because of that fact.

 

[alcoblade]

You've already said this on the Che thread.....

You've already said this on this thread.

 

[Sean Thornton]

You've already said this on this thread.

I was making a point......

 

[Blade56]

Feck me, I don't know which thread to post on, the Ché thread, the Ché thrad or the Ché Adams thread.

Leon Clare's price tag just doubled and wool fords holding out for more

 

[Esablade]

 

[Darthblade]

It's not the sale that makes us worst . It's the replacement (s) , and using the remaining money to balance the books or keep us afloat . In the past decisions , instructions have been made by funders / banks to pay off loans pay weekly wages etc.

It will help once we get out of league 1. The longer we are in this league the circle , cycle gets more viscous.

UTB

One of the biggest problems at the Club is that our owners do not understand a thing about football !! They make the same mistakes over and over again and they haven't got the common sense to see that its a different type of squad needed to get out of L1, to what is needed to compete in the Championship.

If a modest amount of investment had been made sensibly in the playing squad 3 or 4 years ago we could have escaped this division; you don't need highly paid stars in L1 as some of our signings recently have proven.

Yes; there's been some bad luck ..... if Ched had gone home for an Indian that night we would have been promoted, but equally, the Club made no realistic contingency plan for him being jailed.

We regularly sell our best players for modest fees and don't re-invest the proceeds in replacements of equal or better quality. We bring in ageing mercenaries with no fire in their bellies who play for the cash, not the Club and the supporters, or take risks on players with injury issues.

Our ability to negotiate transfers and player contracts appears to be at schoolyard level and the one constant throughout all of this is that the loyal, long-suffering Blades supporters have continued to turn up home and away in numbers that many Premiership clubs would like to enjoy and that the Club has absolutely no right to take for granted !!

Wake up and smell the coffee Board of Directors ......... give Tufty the tools he still needs to do the job .....

UTB & FTP

 

[Booker4]

Said this before in this. Firstly though we don't know if Che's gone ,but if its for £3m plus I think that's good business. Secondly every sale is different and every players worth on whether they can be replaced is too. Selling Deano to Leeds back in 1993 definitely relegated us. There is no way we could replace him. Saying that, Deane wanted to go and had he stayed he might not have played as well. Michael Brown was an example of that, until he went for just £600,000 having been no where near the same player than he was from the season before (triple assault). Without going through every sale, we need to do what teams like Ipswich did, which is sell when the time is right and get a big fee. We've often under sold players, but as we're in division three we won't get the bigger money that we would if we were in the championship, as they would be proven in the Championship.

Selling Che isn't the end of the world if we reinvest it. Problem is we've often had to sell to pay off debt or lack of ambition, whichever way you see it. But in Leon Clarke we have a ready made replacement who is currently more likely to get 20 goals than Che would.

 

[Bladesway]

Are you being serious or just to the wind up.

So what you are saying is whatever we do we are doomed to failure.
Glad you're no where near the board or the players.

Also what's the point of being in the PL, they'll only put the prices up.
We''ll hardly ever play at 3pm on a Saturday and also the worlds coming to an end soon.
What's the point?

Whatever the point you seem to be able to miss it. What is blatantly obvious to anyone with more than sand in their head for a brain is that when you keep selling good players they are hard to replace. And we aren't very good at the second bit.

P. S I don't care if we don't ever get into the PL again. It's a cheats league full of cheats. However if money is more important than football......

 

[Sheffsteel]

Bladesway,

So according to you selling you best players means failure.
Try telling that to the Athletico Madrid fans who always sell their best players.
Even Wenger and Ferguson knew when the time was right to sell their best players (Beckham and Henry) at top dollar.

Every player has a price.
If you sell your best players for more than they are worth and use that money to buy players to improve the squad.

Then surely you're clever enough to know that sometimes selling a better player can be a great piece of business But of course it's all about having a plan and reinvesting in the squad and 1st team.

I agree with your concern that this is the bit we have been poor at in recent years but hopefully Wilder is a wheeler and dealer like Bassett. This is the Unknown factor.

Also the potential sale of Che is totally different argument because
He is certainly NOT currently one of our better players, he's has massive weaknesses but does have great potential and shows glimpses of real quality.

The clubs choice is do we plan for the future and keep all our players with potential or do we take the risk and cash in early accepting over inflated bids based on what they might be. Imagine 2 years ago if we'd have sold Di Gerolomo (spelt incorrectly) for £1 million, our fans would have gone mad but it's all a risk when you value someone on potential. If we get £3 million for Adams then it's great business (as long as a large proportion of it is invested in the 1st team).

 

[blade too long]

so we need to become the only club in the world that doesnt sell any of its players
radical

as has been said selling players should not be an issue IF a manager has an alternative
we cant base our player movements on Adkins inability to recruit a single player

Im unaware of any irreplaceable player thats left this time where we havent got a replacement

the only thing that made us worse was Adkins new player aversion syndrome

its like reading the story of scrooge
but we only get visits from christmas past

 

[Bladesway]

Bladesway,

So according to you selling you best players means failure.
Try telling that to the Athletico Madrid fans who always sell their best players.
Even Wenger and Ferguson knew when the time was right to sell their best players (Beckham and Henry) at top dollar.

Every player has a price.
If you sell your best players for more than they are worth and use that money to buy players to improve the squad.

Then surely you're clever enough to know that sometimes selling a better player can be a great piece of business But of course it's all about having a plan and reinvesting in the squad and 1st team.

I agree with your concern that this is the bit we have been poor at in recent years but hopefully Wilder is a wheeler and dealer like Bassett. This is the Unknown factor.

Also the potential sale of Che is totally different argument because
He is certainly NOT currently one of our better players, he's has massive weaknesses but does have great potential and shows glimpses of real quality.

The clubs choice is do we plan for the future and keep all our players with potential or do we take the risk and cash in early accepting over inflated bids based on what they might be. Imagine 2 years ago if we'd have sold Di Gerolomo (spelt incorrectly) for £1 million, our fans would have gone mad but it's all a risk when you value someone on potential. If we get £3 million for Adams then it's great business (as long as a large proportion of it is invested in the 1st team).

Well thanks for at least having the decency to put a reasonable reply together. A courtesy lost on others unfortunately.

I'm not one of the crack suicide squad who think the world is going to end. I do understand that survival means you have to sell your players. But there are a couple of things where we fall down every time. Getting the right value being one and already having a replacement lined up/ in being the other.

There is a middle ground and it appears with our fans you have to stand on one side of the argument or the other. It isn't that simple. We are only armed with half the facts no matter how ITK some profess to be. From this we have to make our own deductions and we have to use track record and history as a big part of that. This is where WWF and I fundamentally disagreed because he couldn't understand you can't just draw a line under previous seasons and forgive every past transgression McCabe made.

So "if" Che goes then it isn't any different at this point to past seasons. We are told it is different but what you actually see remains very much the same. The irony is we won't know for sure until we are into the season and in many ways it's too late by then.

 

[Trueblade]

If you are where we are, you will always have to cash in on these players, it's a fact.
It's been said, but if you invest it right it can be a very good thing indeed. Sadly it's this part we have got wrong in recent years. That's why bemoan it. Let's see what unfolds and trust Wilder to get it right.

 

[robbiez666]

Well thanks for at least having the decency to put a reasonable reply together. A courtesy lost on others unfortunately.

I'm not one of the crack suicide squad who think the world is going to end. I do understand that survival means you have to sell your players. But there are a couple of things where we fall down every time. Getting the right value being one and already having a replacement lined up/ in being the other.

There is a middle ground and it appears with our fans you have to stand on one side of the argument or the other. It isn't that simple. We are only armed with half the facts no matter how ITK some profess to be. From this we have to make our own deductions and we have to use track record and history as a big part of that. This is where WWF and I fundamentally disagreed because he couldn't understand you can't just draw a line under previous seasons and forgive every past transgression McCabe made.

So "if" Che goes then it isn't any different at this point to past seasons. We are told it is different but what you actually see remains very much the same. The irony is we won't know for sure until we are into the season and in many ways it's too late by then.

At the level you need to sell your best players and use that money to make the overall team strong. Southampton had to do it. It's then getting to a stage where you can pick or choose who to sell and then to a stage where you don't have to sell.

If we got £2 million for Che and then sensibly re-invested £1-1.3 millions of it, then that's great. I don't expect every penny to be re-invested because running a League 1 club is a loss making enterprise.

Unfortunately, we've thus far failed to re-invest wisely on players.

Bigger teams sign your best young players. You need to look at signing the best young players from teams lower down the pecking order than you. We should have a huge advantage given the reputation of the Academy and our facilities. We don't exploit it enough.

 

[binstedblades]

The point is we never spend the money we recieve it goes into the black hole and so selling che would weaken the squad how much of the murphy money did we spend on players

 

[Silent Blade]

how much of the murphy money did we spend on players

Last season at least 12 of our squad were on £5K or more a week

 

[blade too long]

The point is we never spend the money we recieve it goes into the black hole and so selling che would weaken the squad how much of the murphy money did we spend on players

when did Steven Hawkins join the blades board.with his black hole

the murphy money was Adkins war chest , who was to know he had no idea who to buy
he said for the 500th time



,

 

[Barry Blunt]

I don't expect every penny to be re-invested because running a League 1 club is a loss making enterprise

Only if clubs are badly run.

 

[robbiez666]

Only if clubs are badly run.

League 1 clubs can't break even without selling players.

 

[sheffielder]

If we sell Adams for 3.5m or whatever, if we get half of that I would be more than happy.

 

[Barry Blunt]

League 1 clubs can't break even without selling players.

That wasn't your original point. In any case, we (Walsall) make a profit each season, even before our recent years sales.

It's about not paying ridiculous wages, and having a good commercial setup. Any business in any industry can make a profit if run correctly.