Neill Collins

[crucialkneeligaman]

Amazing how Neill Collins has been turned into some Beckenbauer-esque defender in the last three months or so.

From what I remember he was the worst loan defender we have had and then came back to be one of the main reasons we ended up in Division 3 in the first place.

My memory must be playing up.

Don't know about the worst loan defender, and yes, I agree he was one of the chief culprits in our relegation, however having said that, for all his limitations he wasn't a bad defender at this level and in all honesty, I would rather he was part of the centre back partnership at the moment. With our leaky defence, can we afford to have such an experienced defender sat twiddling his thumbs at such a crucial part of the season, especially as young Tel now faces a spell on the sidelines.

 

[crucialkneeligaman]

Collins is a model professional and doesn't look the type to fallout with anybody, other than a centre forward. Cloughy perhaps doesn't rate him but he got Maguire out of a lot of shit last season and would do the same this season. To say i'm baffled as to why he hasn't had more game time after our defensive performances this season would be an understatement.

Nail hit firmly on the head WIz.

 

[Woodwardfan]

I'll throw in another theory about the Clough/ Collins rift.

On 15th September I wrote an OP about a Yorkshire Post interview where Collins spoke about the need for effective strikers in a promotion team. Sorry I don't know how to revive it on here.

Collins said something like " yes clean sheets are important but not as important as having goalscorers". I think Collins knew full well we were lacking in that vital area and Clough will not have liked him saying so in the press or perhaps to the manager himself.

Collins always interviews well and is a "thinker" about the game. The trouble just might have been that he dared to speak up. Clough does not like criticism, by now we all know that, but what a great shame Collins was right all that time ago and Clough wrong!

 

[Trigger Blade]

Brayford Collins Butler Harris = 30% less goals conceded

That's a shocking thing to say...... 30% fewer goals dear boy, 30% fewer......

 

[Bladesway]

Apparently Clough caught Collins wanking into his favourite tea mug, wearing only a cap. When he told him he'd never play for the Club again, he wiped his bellend round the rim and farted in his biscuit jar, then closed the lid.

This is the reality and you know it.

 

[sitwell]

Apparently Clough caught Collins wanking into his favourite tea mug, wearing only a cap. When he told him he'd never play for the Club again, he wiped his bellend round the rim and farted in his biscuit jar, then closed the lid.

You've done that haven't you

 

[Rodders]

You've done that haven't you

Depends which bit you're on about ...

 

[JohnDenver]

Amazing how Neill Collins has been turned into some Beckenbauer-esque defender in the last three months or so.

From what I remember he was the worst loan defender we have had and then came back to be one of the main reasons we ended up in Division 3 in the first place.

My memory must be playing up.

In ten years time when we're looking back at this crappy era, we'll not look back at Neill Collins or Michael Doyle with great admiration.

Both were desperate signings made in desperate times. Yes, they've been largely competent in keeping us in the third tier. But that is no sort of epitaph for a career at SUFC.

 

[Revolution]

In ten years time when we're looking back at this crappy era, we'll not look back at Neill Collins or Michael Doyle with great admiration.

Both were desperate signings made in desperate times. Yes, they've been largely competent in keeping us in the third tier. But that is no sort of epitaph for a career at SUFC.

I know what you mean...but I prefer to think of this as the Ryan Flynn Era.

 

[raul]

Depends which bit you're on about ...

Did you wear BM's cap?

 

[Bladesman]

In ten years time when we're looking back at this crappy era, we'll not look back at Neill Collins or Michael Doyle with great admiration.

Both were desperate signings made in desperate times. Yes, they've been largely competent in keeping us in the third tier. But that is no sort of epitaph for a career at SUFC.

As Championship signings go they were utter shit and were never going to keep us in that division. Chuck the likes of Nyron Nosworthy and Jordan Stewart in to the mix and is it any wonder why we ended up in League 1.

 

[Cyprus Blade]

The truth is far simpler - an altercation arose following Collins wearing Clough's favorite sweat-top for a particularly arduous training session. Despite numerous attempts at washing the malodorous smell persisted and Mrs Clough stormed up to Nigel with a gob on her like Garner after Morgs won at cards and gave him an ulitmatum - "Get rid of him and never ever have a player in the squad with your initials again".

NC thought about this and resolved to sort it. The fact Collins blabbed to the press about the inadequacy of his forwards had also wrankled a bit with Nigel and, coupled with the thought that Collins evidently thought himself a forward for wearing a top with no 9 on, he thought "I'll fix you for wearing my f***ing shirt - I'll sub you on for Porter as a forward against f***ing Hartlepool in the JPT and that will be the last time you play for me" Honest.

 

[sheffielder]

The problem with Collins is that Clough tried to replace him on the cheap, which I didn't think was possible. Clough proved me wrong again. I am not sure I have ever seen a team bring in about 20 players in one season, yet arguably not one of them is better than what you already had.

I don't include Brayford as he was with us last season

 

[sothall blade]

I didn't hear it and rarely take anything he says seriously, but apparently "Brian the Blade" was spreading a couple of rumours about the Neill Collins / Nigel Clough relationship. Apparently Collins was told he would never play in a Nigel Clough side again after the Chesterfield match.

Now, having had another look at the Chesterfield highlights, he wasn't at fault for any of the goals and nodded in a header in the 90th minute from a set-piece. Clough wasn't in any way scathing about anybody in his post-match interview so there's nothing to suggest what Brian says is true other than the fact that we haven't seen Collins since that day.

Does anybody have anything to add to the very little that we actually know?

brian the blade, nowt but a shit stirring two faced twat, and he should be banished to the twats section

 

[sothall blade]

Apparently Clough caught Collins wanking into his favourite tea mug, wearing only a cap. When he told him he'd never play for the Club again, he wiped his bellend round the rim and farted in his biscuit jar, then closed the lid.

you have such vivid imagination rodders

 

[sothall blade]

We can only add that Brian the Blade is a total pratt and nothing he says should ever be given value. The fact he continually gets air time is nonsensical. Best to just switch off yer wireless as soon as you hear his boring, droning voice.

RS has its favourites on nearly every night,paul the miller,brian the same,mark pitsmoor owl mick the pig,fuckin dingles and our own 2-1 ken i will bore you to death with my boring voice because i talk the same shit i said last time i came on yaaaaawwwwwnnnnnnnnn

 

[Lane Ender]

That's a shocking thing to say...... 30% fewer goals dear boy, 30% fewer......

The fact is we are conceding ridiculous goals at the moment.

 

[Gavlar]

Amazing how Neill Collins has been turned into some Beckenbauer-esque defender in the last three months or so.

From what I remember he was the worst loan defender we have had and then came back to be one of the main reasons we ended up in Division 3 in the first place.

My memory must be playing up.

He found his level in league 1 tho. He was great the last 3 seasons, solid and reliable. The defence (apart from under weir) was fine, scoring goals was our problem.

 

[Pittsburg Blade]

you have such vivid imagination rodders

It's not imagination when you're describing your personal past activities

 

[Sheff de party]

That's a shocking thing to say...... 30% fewer goals dear boy, 30% fewer......

Unless he means those four are 30% less than our current back four, leading to goals conceded. I.e. "30% less, goal conceded."

I'd have to pull him up on comma omission though.

 

[Bladepicker]

You remember correctly. You also forget how well he's played (generally) at a lower level since.

Don't know about the worst loan defender, and yes, I agree he was one of the chief culprits in our relegation, however having said that, for all his limitations he wasn't a bad defender at this level and in all honesty, I would rather he was part of the centre back partnership at the moment. With our leaky defence, can we afford to have such an experienced defender sat twiddling his thumbs at such a crucial part of the season, especially as young Tel now faces a spell on the sidelines.

He found his level in league 1 tho. He was great the last 3 seasons, solid and reliable. The defence (apart from under weir) was fine, scoring goals was our problem.

Maybe it's me but I don't think he's been that good even at this level.

He has been better and has had decent spells but even in league one, Neill Collins was not, is not and never will be good enough in my opinion.

 

[sothall blade]

It's not imagination when you're describing your personal past activities

remind me never to drink with you

 

[Fulwood Blade]

Maybe it's me but I don't think he's been that good even at this level.

He has been better and has had decent spells but even in league one, Neill Collins was not, is not and never will be good enough in my opinion.

no it's not just you - he has been part of the problem since signing - not since Morgan have we had any one capable of defending balls into the box and being commanding at the back. Maguire was also poor at commanding - great on the floor, nice footballer - aka Basham and Mceverley

I suppose it all depends on what fans think a CH should be? For me: commanding, have authority, big, strong, uncompromising (when needed), brave, as you are quite often the last man. You let the other 8 in front and to the side of you play the football.

UTB

 

[wizadry]

no it's not just you - he has been part of the problem since signing - not since Morgan have we had any one capable of defending balls into the box and being commanding at the back. Maguire was also poor at commanding - great on the floor, nice footballer - aka Basham and Mceverley

I suppose it all depends on what fans think a CH should be? For me: commanding, have authority, big, strong, uncompromising (when needed), brave, as you are quite often the last man. You let the other 8 in front and to the side of you play the football.

UTB

The key attribute to being a CB is having an understanding with the player who plays along side you. Now Collins, whether you like him or not would develop this better with any other possible CB at our club than the whole magnitude of players who've played there this season. You might not rate him but he is the best CB we have at our club at this moment in time, perhaps that says more about the balance of our side as a whole more than anything.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

The key attribute to being a CB is having an understanding with the player who plays along side you. Now Collins, whether you like him or not would develop this better with any other possible CB at our club than the whole magnitude of players who've played there this season. You might not rate him but he is the best CB we have at our club at this moment in time, perhaps that says more about the balance of our side as a whole more than anything.

Don't have a problem accepting you and others think he is the best at the club, and I don't necessarily disagree with what is left - but the mere fact that HE is possibly the best is a sad situation that the club has got themselves into with this position. The issues with Butler/Maguire/Collins (whatever the reasons) has left us exposed - in a similar way we were exposed up front when CE got sent down - all be for different issues, but we were left with problems.

It all depends how you judge the "management" of a problem of any business/organization - Clough is boss and it appears as though some players have questioned that. Collins isn't going to play unless certain criteria is met and he in some way backs down - stalemate really. Mcgahey, out on loan has stepped up to the plate, Kennedy has a knee problem. It was very interesting hearing the football focus interview with Gardiner (west brom) speaking about Tony Pulis - "it's very simple, he tells you how it will be, how he wants it going and that's it" - just my opinion, but autocratic management in football with less than intelligent, well paid footballers has to be the way.

Considering the situation, I would have Collins back, probably with Basham as it keeps a balance, but it still doesn't solve the problem of us having 1 fit,specialist CH (Collins) at the club. Although he is likely to be very rusty at the moment due to lack of games.

I would have thought our "defensive" midfield would help solve the problem, but we keep getting caught out - the catalogue of errors leading up to P'boros 2nd goal was pathetic - every one appeared to panic including Mceverley, Basham then Harris when what is needed is a cool head of players used to playing in said positions.

I just hope we don't rue the day that we have made do all season with "stand ins" at CH.

UTB

 

[Bladepicker]

no it's not just you - he has been part of the problem since signing - not since Morgan have we had any one capable of defending balls into the box and being commanding at the back. Maguire was also poor at commanding - great on the floor, nice footballer - aka Basham and Mceverley

I suppose it all depends on what fans think a CH should be? For me: commanding, have authority, big, strong, uncompromising (when needed), brave, as you are quite often the last man. You let the other 8 in front and to the side of you play the football.

UTB

Morgan or a Shaun Murphy would be perfect for us. Agree fully.

 

[United Aren't Back.]

Amazing how Neill Collins has been turned into some Beckenbauer-esque defender in the last three months or so.

From what I remember he was the worst loan defender we have had and then came back to be one of the main reasons we ended up in Division 3 in the first place.

My memory must be playing up.

A certain duo named Chedwyn and Nyron played an even bigger part. And one of them is held dear in oh so many hearts..apparently

 

[United Aren't Back.]

I'll throw in another theory about the Clough/ Collins rift.

I'll throw in another theory about the Clough/ Collins rift.

On 15th September I wrote an OP about a Yorkshire Post interview where Collins spoke about the need for effective strikers in a promotion team. Sorry I don't know how to revive it on here.

Collins said something like " yes clean sheets are important but not as important as having goalscorers". I think Collins knew full well we were lacking in that vital area and Clough will not have liked him saying so in the press or perhaps to the manager himself.

Collins always interviews well and is a "thinker" about the game. The trouble just might have been that he dared to speak up. Clough does not like criticism, by now we all know that, but what a great shame Collins was right all that time ago and Clough wrong!

On 15th September I wrote an OP about a Yorkshire Post interview where Collins spoke about the need for effective strikers in a promotion team. Sorry I don't know how to revive it on here.

Collins said something like " yes clean sheets are important but not as important as having goalscorers". I think Collins knew full well we were lacking in that vital area and Clough will not have liked him saying so in the press or perhaps to the manager himself.

Collins always interviews well and is a "thinker" about the game. The trouble just might have been that he dared to speak up. Clough does not like criticism, by now we all know that, but what a great shame Collins was right all that time ago and Clough wrong!

So , like father like son..in one sense only ie my word is all.

 

[super_pig]

i'm worried by this kind of stuff
collins, butler, de girolamo, jcr.. mcnulty next??
it wont be flynn ..

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

What I don't get about the Collins situation but same for butler , Doyle at start of season is why the club is not put first .
Tell you what if This sort of playground stuff went off at my work someone above would come down on it and sort it for the good of the company
Why is a football club any different ?
Why has Collins gone from first choice centre back to no one - if he has said something discipline him then move on ... Same with butler - what an absolute farce. The football club should be way bigger than egos - whose ever they are

Perhaps that's what Nigel is doing?